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Obama continues to play the race card

 
 
kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 03:21 pm
Yes, Glitterbag, there are a few who have been posting nothing but garbage in the politics forum lately, but it could be looked at as a positive. If these dumb shits are posting stuff that they know is untrue, or unfounded, or just plain smears, that means they have nothing real with which to bolster their opinion. This is why they resort to insulting pictures, lies, and garbage. They are desperate morons, and the amount of idiotic posts from them is directly proportional to just how bad it is looking for their candidate.

Judging from the large volume of crap posted by these morons, all signs are pointing to a seriously ignominious ass-beating for McCain.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 04:19 pm
Yes, we are all fed up with democrat dumb shits posting meaningless crap.
These desperate democrats resort to personal attacks at the drop of a hat.
Hopefully, when Obama is sent packing, these moronic moonbats will keep to themselves once again.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 04:24 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
when Obama is sent packing

Packing for the WHITE HOUSE!

<rimshot>
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 04:38 pm
DrewDad wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
when Obama is sent packing

Packing for the WHITE HOUSE!



Has Obama painted his house white?
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 04:54 pm
It's awfully early for John McCain to be running such a desperate, ugly campaign against Barack Obama. But I guess it's useful for Democrats to get a reminder that the Republican Party plays presidential politics by the same moral code that guided the bad-boy Oakland Raiders in their heyday: "Just win, baby."

The latest bit of snarling, mean-spirited nonsense to come out of the McCain camp was the accusation, leveled by campaign manager Rick Davis, that Obama had "played the race card." He did so, apparently, by being black.



Negative campaigning is not a pretty thing, and it should be beneath John McCain to stoop so low. But Democrats would be foolish to forget that sometimes it works

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080731_mccains_evil_twin/
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 05:03 pm
Playing the Race Card:

DEFINITION #1

When one campaign seeks to focus public attention on it's opponent's race within a negative context.

An ad that insinuates Obama is as vapid as Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears is not playing the race card, unless empty-headed celebrity is now an African-american stereotype. (One never knows. Witness the hue and cry about racism triggered by the New Yorker cover)

DEFINITION #2

When one campaign insinuates that its opponent is playing the race card (see Definition #1)

Obama's recent speeches about how "they" are going to try and attack him because he doesn't look like Washington or Lincoln (did he mention "black") is playing the race card.

It's rather simple.

Obama is black (or at least half black) and there is absolutely nothing wrong with him pointing out he is black and commenting on his blackness (such as it is).

He is, however, guilty of tired low road politics when he attempts to paint his opponent as a racist --- without any cause whatsoever.

It's clear that his supporters are giving him a pass on the very same behavior of which his condemnation, they claim, was a big part of the reason they support him.

Instead of expecting their Galahad to adhere to his lofty pronouncements and high ideals, most of them have excused his obvious transgressions as necessary to either beat the big bad Republicans, or getting elected and THEN coming through on the idealism and promises.

If this isn't old politics I don't know what is.

If you believe the ends justify the means, fine. A logical argument can be made for that position. Please though, for the sake of you own self-esteem, don't try and tell us that your guy (and by extension you) is so special.

The great value of Cyclo's posts is that they perfectly represent the daily Democratic talking points. One can counter these points by countering Cyclo's.

His latest tact (and thus the latest tact of Dem supporters of Obama) is to insist he doesn't idolize, worship, slavishly follow etc Obama. I don't doubt this but I do keep running up against this incredible disconnect:

Obama is The One, but not really. Obama is different, but not really. Obama is new but of course he has to act old.

It really is intellectually bankrupt.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 05:37 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
Yes, we are all fed up with democrat dumb shits posting meaningless crap.
These desperate democrats resort to personal attacks at the drop of a hat.
Hopefully, when Obama is sent packing, these moronic moonbats will keep to themselves once again.


More desperate garbage. But hey, that's all he's got. Sad, realy. If H20_MAN wasn't such a human nutsack, I might even feel a little sorry for him.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 05:44 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


DEFINITION #2

When one campaign insinuates that its opponent is playing the race card (see Definition #1)

Obama's recent speeches about how "they" are going to try and attack him because he doesn't look like Washington or Lincoln (did he mention "black") is playing the race card.


Really? What if the opponent in question has already played the race card?

I refer you to Soz's post:



He's not playing the race card. He's simply defending himself.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 05:47 pm
the elephants are busy with their trunks seeking out each others prostates for sexual gratification.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 05:47 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Playing the Race Card:

DEFINITION #1

When one campaign seeks to focus public attention on it's opponent's race within a negative context.

An ad that insinuates Obama is as vapid as Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears is not playing the race card, unless empty-headed celebrity is now an African-american stereotype. (One never knows. Witness the hue and cry about racism triggered by the New Yorker cover)

DEFINITION #2

When one campaign insinuates that its opponent is playing the race card (see Definition #1)

Obama's recent speeches about how "they" are going to try and attack him because he doesn't look like Washington or Lincoln (did he mention "black") is playing the race card.

It's rather simple.

Obama is black (or at least half black) and there is absolutely nothing wrong with him pointing out he is black and commenting on his blackness (such as it is).

He is, however, guilty of tired low road politics when he attempts to paint his opponent as a racist --- without any cause whatsoever.

It's clear that his supporters are giving him a pass on the very same behavior of which his condemnation, they claim, was a big part of the reason they support him.

Instead of expecting their Galahad to adhere to his lofty pronouncements and high ideals, most of them have excused his obvious transgressions as necessary to either beat the big bad Republicans, or getting elected and THEN coming through on the idealism and promises.

If this isn't old politics I don't know what is.

If you believe the ends justify the means, fine. A logical argument can be made for that position. Please though, for the sake of you own self-esteem, don't try and tell us that your guy (and by extension you) is so special.

The great value of Cyclo's posts is that they perfectly represent the daily Democratic talking points. One can counter these points by countering Cyclo's.

His latest tact (and thus the latest tact of Dem supporters of Obama) is to insist he doesn't idolize, worship, slavishly follow etc Obama. I don't doubt this but I do keep running up against this incredible disconnect:

Obama is The One, but not really. Obama is different, but not really. Obama is new but of course he has to act old.

It really is intellectually bankrupt.


You are a fool, but not really. You type and write well, but it doesn't really come out as you would like. It's sad to see someone who is obviously intelligent but an idiot at the same time, such as yourself. Puzzling. In this case you have created a straw-man, and for some reason you don't expect anyone else to be able to see it; which is ridiculous. Neither I nor any other Obama supporter here referred to him as 'the one.' That's reserved for jealous Republicans, who seek to make a mockery of him, as they cannot really effectively land a punch any other way. None of us think Obama is perfect, just light-years better then your loser of a candidate. And it shows; the enthusiasm gap is gigantic.

Pointing out the tactics of your opponent in a mild way is not 'playing the race card.' Obama was correct when he described McCain's tactics. He didn't make a huge deal about it. It was one line in a long string of comments about McCain. But it was latched on to by the right-wing, who has spent months now looking for a chink in his armor - or in this case, a way to inject race into the discussion without looking like you are the ones doing it.

Predictable, easy to counter, pathetic, and quite typically Republican. Keep it up.

Finn, I really think it's sad the way you are obsessed with me. I never mention you ever in posts that aren't related to our direct conversation; this is mostly because you aren't worth mentioning.

Cycloptichorn

ps - The word you are looking for is 'tack,' meaning direction of travel, not 'tact,' meaning discretion. Foxfyre made this same error a while back.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 05:50 pm
farmerman wrote:
the elephants are busy with their trunks seeking out each others prostates for sexual gratification.


Actually, this is pretty much accurate.

Cycloptichorn
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 05:57 pm
"When a thing ceases to be a subject of controversy, it ceases to be a subject of interest." - William Hazlitt
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 06:44 pm
Quote:

Playing the 'Playing the Race Card' Card


Cycloptichorn
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2008 09:41 pm
kickycan wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


DEFINITION #2

When one campaign insinuates that its opponent is playing the race card (see Definition #1)

Obama's recent speeches about how "they" are going to try and attack him because he doesn't look like Washington or Lincoln (did he mention "black") is playing the race card.


Really? What if the opponent in question has already played the race card?

I refer you to Soz's post:



He's not playing the race card. He's simply defending himself.


And these examples all are linked to the McCain campaign?

When two lions face of, there are bound to be jackals in the vicinity.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 09:43 am
Ah. See, I took Obama's "they" to mean the Republicans in general. But I can understand how you can see it that way.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 09:54 am
Obama today -

Quote:
I don't think McCain's campaign was being racist; it's being cynical. They want to distract people from the issues.


Yup.

Cycloptichorn
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 09:57 am
Don't know if this was mentioned - I haven't read back.

Oof - see the video.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-shaw/reading-the-pictures-emdo_b_116451.html
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 10:03 am
Here's what Obama said, again:

Quote:
"So nobody really thinks that Bush or McCain have a real answer for the challenges we face, so what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me. You know, he's not patriotic enough. He's got a funny name. You know, he doesn't look like all those other Presidents on those dollar bills, you know. He's risky. That's essentially the argument they're making."


That he's talking about Republicans in general is a reasonable inference, I think. He's not actually running against Bush -- Bush and McCain are prominent Republicans, who want McCain and not Obama to be the next president. He didn't just say "McCain."

That said, I don't think that the McCain ad was racist, and Obama doesn't either*. I think that the McCain campaign is very aware that getting race to the forefront helps them and hurts Obama, and I think that the way that they're jumping on this is squirrelly. I mean, this is what Davis had to say:

Quote:
"Barack Obama has played the race card, and he played it from the bottom of the deck. It's divisive, negative, shameful and wrong."


That's WAY over the top, and I object to that (and the general "RACE RACE RACE RACE" chant coming from the McCain campaign) more than any supposed racial component to the ad itself. (I do think the ad was dumb, but not for racial reasons.)



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Quote:
"Let me be clear, in no way do I think John McCain's campaign was being racist,'' Obama said. "I think they're cynical. I think they are trying to distract people from the real issues. It's of a piece with the Britney and Paris ad.... Their team is good at distractions and planting negative'' points. "I am absolutely confident that the people in Union, Mo., or Jacksonville, Florida, or any other town in the country, at the end of the day are going to be making the decision based on what is best for their lives.''
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 10:04 am
(Cyclo got there first...)
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 12:33 pm
here's that video -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPARec32KMI
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