Moslem Group Celebrates 9/11

I saw this on the news yesterday.
I wanted them to meet--and have their names, and addresses recorded. The events should be photographed and filmed.

Film of such gatherings should be shown publicly, so these people's sickening glee can be widely known, and they can be identified. It seems to me that celebrating a terrorist attack is worthy of a few questions.

Sons of bitches.

My reactions to these happenings is always tempered by the realization that extremism is contagious.

P.A. vs. U.S.
16:16 Sep 12, '03 / 15 Elul 5763

"In spite of the hundreds of millions of dollars in American aid to the Palestinian Authority," writes Itamar Marcus of Palestinian Media Watch (PMW), "the PA continues to teach that the U.S. is the enemy who is doomed to destruction by Islam, while expressing joy at mounting American deaths in Iraq."

"Possibly timed to coincide with the anniversary of 9/11," Marcus writes, "the official PA TV sermon from Gaza attacked the US this week, teaching that the coming fall of the US will be similar to the fall of ancient Rome." Marcus also noted that a recent cartoon in the official PA daily mocked Americans crying over their dead in Iraq - "a continuation of PA policy of support for Iraq before and during the war, while calling for the killing of American and British soldiers."

Excerpts from the Sept. 5th sermon televised on PA television, as provided by PMW:
"If we go back 1400 years in time, we find that history is repeating itself, worshipers of Allah. The Prophet Mohammed... was besieged by two powers, Persia in the east and Rome in the west. These represent the Soviet Union and America of today... Persia fell first in the east, just as Russia fell first in the east, and America will fall, may it be Allah's will, just as Rome fell in the west. However [the fall of] Rome necessitated... challenges and resistance from the Muslims - just as America today, her allies and proteges, the Zionists and others, necessitate further sacrifices from our side and closing ranks, oh Muslims, and we will be victorious... The Prophet succeeded, through Muslim unity and arousing faith, in overcoming the America of then, just as we will defeat America, as long as it supports our enemy, as long as it adheres to its positions against our people, our issue and our holy places, and against our people and its leadership, as long as it adheres to these wicked positions. We will defeat her, may it be the will of Allah. We see America as the number one enemy, as long as it supports our enemy. Aren't we killed by American planes?..."

You didn't seriously expect that only one side of the 11th September story would be presented, did you? Look at it in context. To disenfranchised Palestionians, the attacks were a major success,and a legitimate rallying point. Don't fall into the trap of assuming that only your viewpoint is valid.
The group in the UK is also responding in a very predictable way. The South Asian/ Middle Eastern immigrant commnuity in London feels extremely disenfranchised. They have been prime pickins' for the purveyors of fundy loonieness. Efforts by mainstream Islam to counter this were mostly neglected until the last two years. There is an awful lot of "catch up" that needs to be done. Rest assured that MI5 was nearby taking pictures. Personally, I find this whole thing to be a non issue.

I just despair of hatred, extremism & sheer stupidity in any form. <sigh>
I want some SANE news!

what hobitbob said.

i hate extremists, we should hang them on the spot.

good point, Dys.

oops, i forgot i have been labeled a raging lefty extremist. nevermind.

Its okay dys, I have my foot covering the spot.

"Sane news?" I don't think we should pretend these things aren't happening.

Hobitbob-- Don't know what makes you think there is any legitimacy surrounding the celebration of the murder of US civilians. It is illegitimate. It is wrong. It is invalid.

It's human nature. Sure, it shouldn't happen. Sure we should maybe keep an eye on it. But, everyone knows a lot of people out there don't like us and many never will.

when the ACLU defended the KKK for their parade in a Chicago suburb they were not making a comment on the legitimacy of the KKK.

If the KKK wanted to meet publicly to celebrate the mass murder of blacks or Jews or whoever else they currently hate, I'd say the same thing.

Its subhuman. IMO, it has no legitimate defense.

Unless you are in a Palestinian refugee camp, or similar situation. Its a matter of perspective. For a dyed in the wool IRA supporter, the detonation of a bomb in a London tube station is no different than the blowing up of an Iraqi command post is for an American CNN watcher. Now,are any of these wonderful moral things? No, of course not. But condemning out of hand someone else's political perspective because it is diferen from your own is naive. I may not agree with the gorup in London, but I understand their motivations. Perhaps if more people understood the motivations of people who do these things, they would be easier to prevent.

sofia, i really honestly think this is a non-event and the only outcome that it is having is based on the media creating a news story with stong emotional content. there are wild eyed wackos everywhere, all the time but we need not give them credibility by media coverage. this kind of ugliness only provokes more ugliness in its responses.

hobitbob--

Responding to what you said--
But condemning out of hand someone else's political perspective because it is diferen from your own is naive.
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I am very comfortable condemning the celebration of mass murder. It would be naive if I didn't think there were differing opinions--it is only humane to completely reject the celebration of 911. I think it is disgusting to make excuses for it.
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dys--
If I thought ignoring things like this would make it go away, I would agree with you. Ignoring it is, IMO, part of what led to 911. I wouldn't want to foment vigilantism, but they should be seen for what they are. We shouldn't enable them, and strengthen them by protecting them from the public eye.

Again - ditto HobitBob. Thank god someone can say what I mean.

to quote that great paragon of compassionate international relations--if your not with us/me, you are a friggin' terrorist, anyone got any freedom fries? Why is it that I am always right and the rest of the world is so wrong?