1
   

CHILD PORN IMMORAL IF NO REAL CHILDREN INVOLVED ?

 
 
Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2008 10:44 pm
This thread is posted in my continued exploration of human psychology.

Are the natural rights of children violated
by books including non-illustrated stories of children becoming sexually involved ?

Shud such child porn be censored by law ?


Are the natural rights of children violated by books
employing only hand drawn sketches of nude children,
or of computer generated images thereof,
if no real living children were involved ?

Shud such child porn be censored by law ?


WHATAYATHINK ?









Please note that the subject matter of this thread
is CENSORSHIP, not analysis of anyone 's mental health.
  • Topic Stats
  • Top Replies
  • Link to this Topic
Type: Discussion • Score: 1 • Views: 18,488 • Replies: 204

 
nimh
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 02:49 am
Oh great, another child porn thread. Havent we had enough of those lately?
0 Replies
 
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 06:37 am
I'msickDavid has become just crazy for the subject . . . oops . . . does that constitute a discussion of someone's mental health?
0 Replies
 
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 06:40 am
nimh wrote:
Oh great, another child porn thread. Havent we had enough of those lately?


It's these people's way of beating us up for disagreeing with them.
0 Replies
 
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 06:44 am
David's newly-revealed fascination with child porn is surprisingly unsurprising.
0 Replies
 
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 06:48 am
I wonder if I'msickDavid, Agrote and Hawkeye beat off when they read these threads?
0 Replies
 
DrewDad
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 06:55 am
Only if the threads are worn by children....
0 Replies
 
agrote
 
  0  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 08:02 am
Setanta wrote:
I wonder if I'msickDavid, Agrote and Hawkeye beat off when they read these threads?


I wonder if you'll ever use this forum for its intended purpose: to debate philosophical and other issues; not to insult people.
0 Replies
 
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 09:21 am
agrote wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I wonder if I'msickDavid, Agrote and Hawkeye beat off when they read these threads?


I wonder if you'll ever use this forum for its intended purpose: to debate philosophical and other issues; not to insult people.


I and Joe and a number of others have discussed the drivel you post, point by point, and demonstrated point by point that you are wrong. You continue to trot out the same idiotic arguments. Don't be surprised that people have reached the point of telling you that not only are you a pervert, but that you're a self-deluding idiot into the bargain.

When i tell someone something several times, and they address me again and again as though they have never heard it, then i consider them to be fundamentally dishonest and an idiot. At that point, the gloves are off.

Moron

Liar

Pervert

Coward
0 Replies
 
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 09:39 am
All BBB cold find about Agrote
A google search for Agrote produced only one public site, Facebook, with information about him.

Edit (Moderator): Link removed at poster's and subject's request

BBB
0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 09:58 am
Setanta wrote:
agrote wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I wonder if I'msickDavid, Agrote and Hawkeye beat off when they read these threads?


I wonder if you'll ever use this forum for its intended purpose: to debate philosophical and other issues; not to insult people.


I and Joe and a number of others have discussed the drivel you post, point by point, and demonstrated point by point that you are wrong. You continue to trot out the same idiotic arguments. Don't be surprised that people have reached the point of telling you that not only are you a pervert, but that you're a self-deluding idiot into the bargain.

When i tell someone something several times, and they address me again and again as though they have never heard it, then i consider them to be fundamentally dishonest and an idiot. At that point, the gloves are off.

Moron

Liar

Pervert

Coward

I will confess that I have not read all of the posts of the other threads
on this aspect of legal and social policy. To that extent, I may be at fault
for duplicating effort. It is irrational for you to get so excited (in a negative way)
about raising for discussion ANY aspect of legal philosophy or social policy.

Maybe u believe that, for some reason that u prefer not to disclose,
THIS particular aspect of policy, shud be an EXCEPTION, as distinct from, say,
the anti-trust laws, or paying farmers to not grow food, which MAY be freely discussed.
0 Replies
 
joefromchicago
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 10:00 am
The question posed by OSD is actually a fairly interesting philosophical dilemma, and it was the question that agrote should have focused on in his own child porn thread. It's a question, therefore, that merits intelligent debate. Unfortunately, OSD and agrote are quite possibly the last people on earth who can be counted on for such debate.
0 Replies
 
agrote
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 10:38 am
Re: All BBB cold find about Agrote
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
A google search for Agrote...


Could you delete this post please? I'd rather avoid the inevitable death threats. If you don't delete the post I'll have to report it.
Francis
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 10:43 am
Re: All BBB cold find about Agrote
agrote wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
A google search for Agrote...


Could you delete this post please? I'd rather avoid the inevitable death threats. If you don't delete the post I'll have to report it.


That's the summum of hypocrisy:

You put yourself your stuff on the internet. What are you complaining about?

(Are you afraid that somebody will come around with a spoon?)
0 Replies
 
agrote
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 11:00 am
Setanta wrote:
agrote wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I wonder if I'msickDavid, Agrote and Hawkeye beat off when they read these threads?


I wonder if you'll ever use this forum for its intended purpose: to debate philosophical and other issues; not to insult people.


I and Joe and a number of others have discussed the drivel you post, point by point, and demonstrated point by point that you are wrong.


This is half-true. A number of others demonstrated that my original assumptions were wrong. Joe demonstrated that I am confused about consequentialism. You didn't demonstrate very much at all. You responded to me, but not point-by-point.

Quote:
You continue to trot out the same idiotic arguments.


Where do I do this?

Quote:
Don't be surprised that people have reached the point of telling you that not only are you a pervert, but that you're a self-deluding idiot into the bargain.


Quote:
When i tell someone something several times, and they address me again and again as though they have never heard it, then i consider them to be fundamentally dishonest and an idiot.


But I didn't ignore your posts. Quite the contrary: I thought about them, raised objections to them, provided counter-arguments. The reason I wasn't convinced by your arguments was not "fundamental dishonesty". It was the opposite: I honestly remained unconvinced that act of viewing child porn had wrong-making features.

When O'BILL told me things I didn't know about image-hosting, after pressing him for further clarification, I admitted that I was mistaken to think that viewing child porn was harmless. I admitted to being wrong, and I publicly changed my mind in response to O'BILL's posts. I didn't respond to your posts in this way because I found your posts unconvincing. It wasn't dishonesty, it was intellectual honesty.

So if you are personally attacking me for the crime of being "fundamentally dishonest", then this is a mistake because I am not guilty of this crime.

Your behaviour is also against the terms of use of this forum:

Terms of Use/Disclaimer wrote:
1) Be courteous. You agree that you will not threaten or verbally abuse other members, use defamatory language, or deliberately disrupt topics with repetitive messages, meaningless messages or "spam." Spammers will be removed from the service, and their accounts terminated.
2) Use respectful language. You agree not to use language that abuses or discriminates on the basis of race, religion, national origin, gender, sexual preference, age, region, disability, etc. Hate speech of any kind is grounds for immediate and permanent removal from the service.
3) Use appropriate language. While open exchanges, even about adult-oriented issues, are encouraged, members are asked to consider the different ages and sensitivities of the entire community while participating in the Able2Know service. If necessary, inappropriate language will be deleted or edited, or a topic containing said inappropriate language will be marked as such (e. g. Warning: contains adult language).
4) Vulgar speech is not tolerated. Vulgarisms may be deleted or edited, and may result in a warning or eventual removal of the member from the site.
5) Lively debate is accepted, and even encouraged, but personal attacks are not. Active topics and heated debate are welcome in the Able2Know service. However, personal attacks are a direct violation of this Agreement and are grounds for immediate and permanent removal from the service.
6) While occasional breaches of decorum in the heat of debate will be tolerated, members whose interactions are marked by a consistent pattern of demeaning and abusive interactions will be subject to disciplinary action up to and including permanent removal from the service.
0 Replies
 
boomerang
 
  2  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 11:02 am
Re: All BBB cold find about Agrote
agrote wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
A google search for Agrote...


Could you delete this post please? I'd rather avoid the inevitable death threats. If you don't delete the post I'll have to report it.


Oh Jay-sus.

As much as I would so completely love to say:

It's just a free photo available on the internet, how can any harm possibly come to the person through our viewing of it?

I'll instead say:

I don't think it's a good idea to research and publically post personal information about other A2K members. People deserve their privacy. This is the reason I've disagreed with your posts that no harm can come from simply viewing pictures.
0 Replies
 
agrote
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 11:08 am
Re: All BBB cold find about Agrote
Francis wrote:
agrote wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
A google search for Agrote...


Could you delete this post please? I'd rather avoid the inevitable death threats. If you don't delete the post I'll have to report it.


That's the summum of hypocrisy:

You put yourself your stuff on the internet. What are you complaining about?

(Are you afraid that somebody will come around with a spoon?)


I'm not making a complaint, I'm making a request. I don't want to receive death threats, and posting a link to my facebook page - in a forum full of people who know that I am a hebephile and hate me for it - is obviously going to increase the likelihood that I will receive death threats.

Another issue is that I haven't "come out" to everyone that I know, and I'd like to minimise the risk of somebody "outing" me on my facebook page or by other means.

If you think my request is unreasonable, I'd like to know why.
0 Replies
 
agrote
 
  2  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 11:11 am
Re: All BBB cold find about Agrote
boomerang wrote:
I don't think it's a good idea to research and publically post personal information about other A2K members. People deserve their privacy. This is the reason I've disagreed with your posts that no harm can come from simply viewing pictures.


Thanks, I appreciate this.

Incidentally, I no longer believe that no harm can come from simply viewing pictures.
0 Replies
 
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 11:12 am
Boomer and Agrote
Boomer and Agrote. You are both right and I apologize for my bad judgment. I'm glad the moderators removed my ill-advised post.

BBB
0 Replies
 
agrote
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 11:15 am
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Boomer and Agrote. You are both right and I apologize for my bad judgment. I'm glad the moderators removed my ill-advised post.

BBB


They didn't.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure how to delete one's own posts after they've been responded to. So I'll report your post and mention that you've agreed to have it removed.
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

How can we be sure? - Discussion by Raishu-tensho
DOES NOTHING EXIST??? - Question by mark noble
Proof of nonexistence of free will - Discussion by litewave
morals and ethics, how are they different? - Question by existential potential
Destroy My Belief System, Please! - Discussion by Thomas
Star Wars in Philosophy. - Discussion by Logicus
Existence of Everything. - Discussion by Logicus
Is it better to be feared or loved? - Discussion by Black King
 
  1. Forums
  2. » CHILD PORN IMMORAL IF NO REAL CHILDREN INVOLVED ?
Copyright © 2018 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.04 seconds on 09/20/2018 at 06:58:20