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CHILD PORN IMMORAL IF NO REAL CHILDREN INVOLVED ?

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@gungasnake,

This went passed me point wise, but I think I remember you being determined to stay out of the sex law and sex ethics threads. Have you begun to take my point that the government uses sex law to bully and abuse the citizens?

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@hawkeye10,

Government uses any number of laws to bully and abuse ordinary people. Take the idea of two years in prison for purchasing lobsters packaged in plastic for instance:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/alobsterstail.htm

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@hawkeye10,

Or the idea of wanting to shut some Nevada ranching operation down for over "endangered(TM)" government "desert tortoioses"...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/04/15/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-long-fight-between-cliven-bundy-and-the-federal-government/

The militias put a stop to that bullshit and they may have decided to simply kill out and exterminate any animal species which rogue govt. agencies try to use as a pretext for this kind of **** in future times.

Quote:

"See, no more desert tortoises, y'all can go home now!!"

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@hawkeye10,

Then again, sex...

I mean, if our stinking feral government really had any sort of concern about protecting children from sexual exploitation, we wouldn't be reading all this **** about psycho queers recruiting and proselytizing in public schools or sex-ed classes for five, six, and seven years olds going over the gruesome details of fisting and what not and otherwise being run for the benefit of gay, lesbo, and sundry freak groups, would we??

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@hawkeye10,

I mean, sure, some dickhead is forcing children to do sex things while he operates a camera and then puts that crap on the internet as part of some money-making scheme, the guy deserves to be tortured until the cows come home and prison is better than he rates.

But very little of what I read sounds like that and way too much of it reads like people going to prison or being classified as sex offenders for the rest of their lives for what amounts to thought crimes and there's the scary thought that it would be terribly easy for hackers to PUT any sort of images on anybody's computer. For that reason, I do not like the idea of it even being possible for anybody to be prosecuted for simply OWNING something unless the something is a shoulder-fired AA missile, enriched uranium, or poison gas in military quantities.

And then there's the problem of our prison/industrial complex and things like Kids 4 Cash... When you read about a 14 year old girl and a 16 year old boy both being classified as sex offenders because the girl sent the boy some nude photos from her cell phone, what you're really reading about is make-work programs for police and other government officials who ought properly to be out looking for honest jobs.

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@gungasnake,

Sex law is certainly a good place to look to see how fucked up this nation is. We see for instance

1) not caring about justice

2)not caring about reason

3) we have messed up unhealthy ideas about intimacy and sex

4) messed up ideas about how to produced healthy adults. Our parenting ideas are fucked in the head

5) our fear levels are far above anything that is justified by reality

6) we dont trust

7) we cant talk honestly

8) we dont believe in redemption

9) we have criminalized "bad" thoughts

10) our government has no problem abusing citizens when it can get away with it

11) we are sadistic

All you need to do is look at how it is almost impossible to conduct a reasonable rational civilized conversation on the topic to know how far off the rails we are. I and others have for instance pointed out that our government has very harsh penalties for looking at child porn, but it refuses to tell us straight up what child porn is in its judgement. I get told "if you need to know you must be a perv who should be in jail". This government wants to keep us unknowing what will get considered a criminal act so that we will go to extreme measures to make sure that we are not guilty, that is wrong. . You see people now saying that pics of kids should never be shown to people outside of the family, just to be sure. No. No. No......what we have here is abuse of the citizens at the hands of the state.

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@hawkeye10,

got a batch of bad rice krispies Hawkee?

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@gungasnake,

Compared to sex-ed in Europe and Sandinavia, our system does everything which empirically produces harm, whereas their's with all the graphic info actually keeps kids safer resulting in lower teen prgenancies, STIs, etc.

While the comparison isn't entirely fair since culturally we're very different, not giving kids 'actionable intelligence' only harms them.

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@hawkeye10,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zB8i6ftPU0

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@hawkeye10,

Razzleg wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

Sorry, but stupid people annoy me.

Strangely, i don't think you're actually sorry. At least have the courage of your invective.

hawkeye10 wrote:
So people who question the AOC laws DO work to hurt kids according to you? Sometimes maybe, but you saying they always or usually do is just dishonest bullshit.

i hate to say this, but you are right about there being a gray area. For example, i don't want some 18 yr old kid's life being ruined because he made the mistake of sleeping with a 16 yr old and having to register as a sexual predator for the rest of his life, with all of the penalties that entails. On the other hand, it's absurd to think that children and adolescents don't deserve and require laws protecting them from sexual abuse.

So, I won't say that people questioning age of consent laws always work to hurt kids; however, i am still comfortable saying that those opposing AOC laws usually hurt children. And, (in the the only relevant statement i've made to this thread in this post) those persons opposing child pornography laws always always hurt children, one way or another...

By the way:

hawkeye10 wrote:
And I see the abuse of the citizen at the hands of the state, the sex and child porn laws are almost the worst of all our very badly conceived and badly written laws and I God Damn will question them and more.

Whatcha gonna to do besides question 'em? Break them, perhaps, goddammit?

hawkeye10 wrote:
Use your ******* head, if you want to see who the state abuses the most look to the people and groups that are most hated. The definition of which is a fat white guy who fucks little kids by force after showing them pics of other kids being fucked by other fat white guys. (gives you a strong emotional response yes?

The image you present doesn't give me much of an emotional response, but your half-assed attempt at an argument does inspire quite a bit of contempt. It's not impressive as a goad, nor is it cogent as a defense. This is me using my head -- why don't you try it?

No response? C'mon...you picked a fight with me...Too chicken **** to keep it up? Or are you just more comfortable just agreeing with a poster that is simply 100% position = ideology and zero reason? Gungasnake is an empty wind sock...

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@Razzleg,

What is there to talk about? I was a free range parent before it was a thing, I believe that by protecting teens you ruin them. Obviously we are not going to agree.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

What is there to talk about?

Wut? quite a lot, actually, since you haven't answered any of my questions.

hawkeye10 wrote:

I was a free range parent before it was a thing, I believe that by protecting teens you ruin them. Obviously we are not going to agree.

Congrats...But that statement does not in some way excuse your prior comments...or your prior attitude. Your parenthood has not been a factor that you've felt was relevant enough to mention in the course of the discussion of this issue before now-- so why should i care about it now?

hawkeye10 wrote:

Obviously we are not going to agree.

Again...you picked a fight with me. i don't care whether you agree with me or not. However, you challenged me in argument, and now you're buckling like a belt. That's fine, but don't pretend that you've won the argument by retreating to a passive position and portraying me as the aggressor in some sort of twisted hind-sight.

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@Razzleg,

You are confused, I was not challenging you to a debate, I was telling you stay out of my way. After all of the abuse of power that we have seen down history I dont even know what to say to someone with your "anyone who questions the orders of the King is a criminal" thinking. Unless you are still in Middle School there must have been some serious lapses in your education. I dont recall coming across you before but from what I have seen I seriously doubt that you have anything to teach me.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

I seriously doubt that you have anything to teach me.

Not when you already know everything.

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Is child porn immoral? Yes.
Even if no real children are involved? YES.
A viewer of simulated child pornography is a whisker away from the consumption of, promotion of, or engagement in behaviour which will inevitably damage real children.
The question is moronic crap. There is no issue here that requires debate.

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@Wilso,

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A viewer of simulated child pornography is a whisker away from the consumption of, promotion of, or engagement in behaviour which will inevitably damage real children.

How do you know? Hollywood makes dozens of super violent movies a year which are shown all around the world, do they lead to more killing? If so why do we allow them?

And back in the day I used to watch Tom and Jerry and Looney Toons with no problem.

Hey, why is South Park on TV? Surely that show is highly dangerous!

Consistency of logic is not a strong suit for us. It sure seems like we do waht we want to do, and backfill with excuses.

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@Wilso,

Quote:

There is no issue here that requires debate.

When you're right, you're right.

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@bobsal u1553115,

I am guessing there are over 10,000 other threads for you to putter around in if you dont think this one has any relevance. You are like those guys that proudly announces " I have so and so on ignore because he sucks".....all full of yourself.

HesDeltanCaptain brought this back after 8 years in the cellar, pretty impressive actually.

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@hawkeye10,

The question is not " do we need animated child porn", The question is " does the government have the grounds to criminalize it", because the default is that we are free to follow our will.

We see in this question the difference between Europe in America, in Europe harming a child is the crime, in America having the fantasy of having sex with anyone under 18 is the crime. This is certainly something that should be talked about, this new American idea that thoughts can be a crime.

I was 23 and ******* my 17 year old GF, who became my wife. I proudly and thrillingly was a criminal.

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@farmerman,

Tey telling that Farmerman to coach Todd Hoffner and his family!!!!

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