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Why is it that those that don't believe in God (or whatever term you prefer) are more than willing to give Him the credit for children with birth defects, disease, etc., but are not willing to give Him any credit for anything good? This truly puzzles me.

The world is the way it is. None of your questions or my questions are going to change certain things. If you believe in God then you believe. If you don't then you don't. Neither position makes any of us any better, smarter, etc., than anyone else.

. . . Do you have evidence that god did some good in this world?

Why is it that those that don't believe in God (or whatever term you prefer) are more than willing to give Him the credit for children with birth defects, disease, etc., but are not willing to give Him any credit for anything good? This truly puzzles me.

Arella Mae wrote:

Why is it that those that don't believe in God (or whatever term you prefer) are more than willing to give Him the credit for children with birth defects, disease, etc., but are not willing to give Him any credit for anything good? This truly puzzles me.

Why is it that those that do believe in God (or whatever term you prefer) are more than willing to give Him the credit for talents, good luck, plane crash survivors etc., but are not willing to give Him any credit for anything bad? This truly puzzles me.

What about the other 299 people who died in the plane crash, Arella? Was not God equally attributable for that as was he for the 1 that survived? Why do we ignore those 299 innocent men, women and children whose families now weep with the pain of their deaths??

aperson wrote:

Look, I just don't have the energy to try to explain to you. You obviously either don't read or don't understand my posts. Clap, clap, you found those quotes, but what about the three links I so lovingly provided? I don't want to debate with you anymore, or at least until you stop deluding yourself and start listening.

But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.

The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

. . . Also, your explanation of hell as a "hole" is wrong, plain and simple.

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But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

- Matthew 5:22

The fire of unconsciousness? I don't think so.. . . ..

. . . .Also, this is from one of the links I provided. What are you talking about when you say that this website represents certain beliefs? It's completely unbiased; it's just quotes from a standard Bible. And don't give me, "Oh, I visited the other two links but not this one." Being the first link, it would have been the first link you would have clicked on. No, I think it much more likely that you visited all the links and chose to ignore this one because there was nothing wrong with it. And I didn't just pull this theory out of my arse - you pick and choose the points you respond to in every reply you give me. You can't keep on responding only to the worst points, and ignoring the best ones. .

neo, The concept of a "loving" god and what has transpired both by nature and god to human-kind is a contradiction. Where in the bible does god show his love? He has penalized man more than "loving" him/her; the numbers even in the bible are self-evident. Let's start with the great world flood.

aperson wrote:

. . . Also, your explanation of hell as a "hole" is wrong, plain and simple.

Quote:

But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

- Matthew 5:22

The fire of unconsciousness? I don't think so.. . . ..

Allow me to point out the vast insufficiency of your bible knowledge. The Greek word here translated 'hell' is 'gehenna'. which the Jews understood to be a burning garbage dump outside Jerusalem in which refuse, dead animals, even the bodies of criminals were thrown to be completely destroyed.

Dead- destroyed- gone - kaput. What part of no more to be found do you not understand?

You may be an atheist. But you don't have even the most rudimentary concept of the God you refuse to acknowledge. No wonder. You have been taught by those who fail to represent God.

Who created god and satan?













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aperson wrote:

. . . .Also, this is from one of the links I provided. What are you talking about when you say that this website represents certain beliefs? It's completely unbiased; it's just quotes from a standard Bible. And don't give me, "Oh, I visited the other two links but not this one." Being the first link, it would have been the first link you would have clicked on. No, I think it much more likely that you visited all the links and chose to ignore this one because there was nothing wrong with it. And I didn't just pull this theory out of my arse - you pick and choose the points you respond to in every reply you give me. You can't keep on responding only to the worst points, and ignoring the best ones. .

But when I point out to you the insufficiency of the translation, you look the other way. How do you think the clergy have been able to hoodwink the masses for so long? they have hoodwinked you as well.

I'm sorry, but this makes absulutely no sense. You have this complex explanation - a burning garbage dump which people translated into death,

which people then speak of with about in reference to the fires of the burning garbage dump??? And before you said it translated to a hole representing unconsciousness.

So what, I suppose the burning garbage dump representing death because everything there was dead was also in a hole representing unconsciousness?? And what about the torment?? Pick and choose, will you. How can one experience torment in the unconsciousness of death?

No, here I am with a widely accepted (understatement),

sensible and simple explanation, and you try and combat it with this complex mess of symbolism and mistranslation.

. . . How is spending hours gathering scripture quotes, writing them down and commenting on them, then providing a full explanation and supporting evidence looking the other way??

Neo, I don't want to keep on having to do this!