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Why would god create man not only born of sin but imperfect.....doesn't sound very smart.

Being all super-duper-perfect and everything, it's immoral for him to have produced all this sin and imperfection.

Now if y'all are going to tell me man brought it upon himself due to the snake, then I'll have to say that god must have known that would happen, thus he's still on the hook.

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He built you imperfect so that you couldn't figure out why he built you imperfect.

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He built in imperfect so we can have free-will. God did not want a bunch of robots, so he did not make us perfect. He wanted us to WANT to love and worship Him.

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RockOnManBoy wrote:

He built in imperfect so we can have free-will. God did not want a bunch of robots, so he did not make us perfect. He wanted us to WANT to love and worship Him.

Sounds a little arrogant.
Why does god crave our approval?
The best answer as to why everyone is imperfect is because god doesn't exist as some big creating watching thing that steps back and looks on what he's made. But that "god" is in fact something far less fantasy-like and far more like an idea.

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RockOnManBoy wrote:

He built in imperfect so we can have free-will. God did not want a bunch of robots, so he did not make us perfect. He wanted us to WANT to love and worship Him.

Still gestating on a couple of extrapolations of what you're saying, eg.

A perfect being is a robot without free will (therefore god is a robot without free will)

One perfect being cannot love and worship another.

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[quote="ZoSo]The best answer as to why everyone is imperfect is because god doesn't exist as some big creating watching thing that steps back and looks on what he's made. But that "god" is in fact something far less fantasy-like and far more like an idea.[/quote]

Heretic! Ideas don't create anything. Ideas only have power when in the heads of beings. Chickens, eggs.

I agree that God is an idea, unfortunately that idea was formulated by imperfect beings.

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hingehead wrote:

RockOnManBoy wrote:
He built in imperfect so we can have free-will. God did not want a bunch of robots, so he did not make us perfect. He wanted us to WANT to love and worship Him.

Still gestating on a couple of extrapolations of what you're saying, eg.

A perfect being is a robot without free will (therefore god is a robot without free will)

One perfect being cannot love and worship another.

But you see, God is not like us humans. We were made in His image, but we are still not perfect. And I did not translate perfect into robot. What I meant was God did not want us to be robot-like and not have any choice what to do or worship. What I meant by perfect was sinless.

Why are so many of you so eager to find anything to prove God isn't real? What's wrong with having an all-powerful, loving being to look over us? And to protect us? Whats wrong with it?

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RockOnManBoy wrote:

Why are so many of you so eager to find anything to prove God isn't real? What's wrong with having an all-powerful, loving being to look over us? And to protect us? Whats wrong with it?

If there's a powerful loving being looking after us he's doing a **** of a job.

And I'm not looking for a reason to prove god isn't real, I'm looking for any evidence at all that he exists. If god made me then my actions are a result of his handiwork. The fault lies with the manufacturer.

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*sigh* I don't feel like talking here anymore. It's too negative Sad

And I have no idea why so many atheists post and answer things in the religious section. And not everything is God's fault.

Well, bye Sad

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Free will brings with it the possibility of rebellion. The perfect man, Adam, and the perfect angel, called Satan, chose a course contrary to Jehovah's purpose and lost their perfection.

God's purpose, however, remains and will be fulfilled.

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RockOnManBoy wrote:

*sigh* I don't feel like talking here anymore. It's too negative And I have no idea why so many atheists post and answer things in the religious section. And not everything is God's fault.

Well, bye

Coward.

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Chumly, I agree with you entirely, but your part is only a small part. Why did God create us in the first place? Why did God create anything? Seems rather pointless.

Christians' only answer to this is to try to anthropomorphisize God, which if they have any sense is contridictory to their own beliefs.

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aperson wrote:

Chumly, I agree with you entirely, but your part is only a small part. Why did God create us in the first place? Why did God create anything? Seems rather pointless.

Christians' only answer to this is to try to anthropomorphisize God, which if they have any sense is contridictory to their own beliefs.

Are you glad you were born?

Do you wish to bring life and happiness to your children?

Perhaps that is the answer.

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There are just some things that we won't get answers to. It doesn't matter why God did create us, or how, etc. It only matters that we are here and we have to deal with that.

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neologist wrote:

God's purpose, however, remains and will be fulfilled.

What is god's purpose?
How can you as an imperfect being know anything of god's purpose?

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ZoSo wrote:

neologist wrote:

God's purpose, however, remains and will be fulfilled.

What is god's purpose?
How can you as an imperfect being know anything of god's purpose?

Clearly stated at Genesis 1:28:
"Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth."

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neologist wrote:

ZoSo wrote:
neologist wrote:

God's purpose, however, remains and will be fulfilled.

What is god's purpose?
How can you as an imperfect being know anything of god's purpose?
Clearly stated at Genesis 1:28:
"Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth."

He is asking you for God's purpose, not what he commanded Adam and Eve. It does not follow that that commandment is his purpose.

Besides, isn't that in the Old Testament. Didn't Jesus' teachings override the Old Testament?

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I'm gobsmacked about the idea expressed above that atheists shouldn't comment on religion. It's my experience that atheists take that position because they have thought about religion a lot, not because they have no knowledge.

The religious (at least in the judeo/christian/muslim sense) place great stock in 'faith' and 'not questioning' and 'divine unknowable purposes'.

On any topic which kind of person's input would you prefer?

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

neologist wrote:
ZoSo wrote:
neologist wrote:

God's purpose, however, remains and will be fulfilled.

What is god's purpose?
How can you as an imperfect being know anything of god's purpose?
Clearly stated at Genesis 1:28:
"Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth."

He is asking you for God's purpose, not what he commanded Adam and Eve. It does not follow that that commandment is his purpose.

Besides, isn't that in the Old Testament. Didn't Jesus' teachings override the Old Testament?

If God's purpose is not evident from his command, there is not much I can add. He did not change his mind.

In what way do you think Jesus' teachings over rode the OT?

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neologist wrote:

aperson wrote:
Chumly, I agree with you entirely, but your part is only a small part. Why did God create us in the first place? Why did God create anything? Seems rather pointless.

Christians' only answer to this is to try to anthropomorphisize God, which if they have any sense is contridictory to their own beliefs.
Are you glad you were born?

Do you wish to bring life and happiness to your children?

Perhaps that is the answer.

I don't think so. Why would God want life and happiness in the first place? Why would God want anything? God is God. How can an omnipotent being have desire? And if he did, why did he create suffering? Did he want suffering?

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