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" HOW GUN CONTROL LOST "

 
 
Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 07:37 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0629chapmanjun29,0,3694.column

How gun control lost

Lock and load, baby

Steve Chapman
June 29, 2008
Thomas Jefferson once wrote, pessimistically,
"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield
and government to gain ground."

He would probably not have been surprised to see the proliferation of gun-
control laws in our time. But he might not have anticipated that
the water would run back uphill. nothing.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 08:27 pm
yada
yada yada
yada yada yada
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 08:29 pm
what he said

Rolling Eyes
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 08:45 pm
Rockhead wrote:
what he said

Rolling Eyes

Ya know,
its the same as carrying HEALTH INSURANCE:
its just a WASTE, unless u NEED it.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 08:51 pm
Why is it that health care has to be part of an ugly industry like insurance, Dave...

Or why is it that the scared people are the ones clamoring for arming all the people without a clue?

Curious in Kansas...



Cool
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 09:27 pm
Rockhead wrote:
Why is it that health care has to be part of an ugly industry like insurance, Dave...

That 's just a natural part of economics...
the allocation of scarce goods n services,
and a reflection of the law of supply n demand.



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Or why is it that the scared people
are the ones clamoring for arming all the people without a clue?

Curious in Kansas... Cool

Do u have evidence that this emotion is present in
" the ones clamoring for arming all the people " ??
I do not believe that it is.
I have been to a fair amount of meetings, around America,
addressing this subject, and I have never observed anyone exhibiting FEAR.
I suspect that this is a delusion of yours.

I will admit that before I acquired my first functional gun,
at the age of 8, I WAS somewhat ill-at-ease in regard to how I 'd defend
my house, if the need to do so presented itself (it never did), but
as soon as I got my hands on that .38 and I began working out with it,
my emotional discomfort ended; did not come back.

It is a mystery to me
Y u have characterized people (like me) who push for a well armed populace
" without a clue " as u put it.

Without joking,
I remember a girlfriend of mine, about 30 years ago,
who lost her job and was terror stricken
at not being able to pay her health insurance premia.

I know because she kept hitting me up for the money.
She was only in her 30s.

(She was ALSO afraid of guns.)


David
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 09:37 pm
Dave, think real hard before you bait me again....

I am not afraid of guns, I am afraid of people who are afraid.

You prolly ought to leave health care alone, my silly friend...

I'll be right here.

Rock
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 09:44 pm
Rockhead wrote:
Dave, think real hard before you bait me again....

I am not afraid of guns, I am afraid of people who are afraid.

You prolly ought to leave health care alone, my silly ? friend...

I'll be right here.

Rock

I am satisfied with the status quo of health care.

Sincerely, except for Marilyn, with her phobia of having no health insurance,
I know of no one who is afraid,
and I cannot understand the reason that u bring up this emotion.




David
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 09:47 pm
I think you do...

and most folks with good insurance don't blink, Jack

Bait me some more, Junior...
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 09:48 pm
I do WHAT ??
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 09:52 pm
Go to bed, Dave. I thought maybe you would pretend to be real.

Word to the wise...

Play nice, silly boy.

(I know you are scared, but we will play later, gun boy...)

Cool
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 10:38 pm
Rockhead wrote:
Go to bed, Dave. I thought maybe you would pretend to be real.

Word to the wise...

Play nice, silly boy.

(I know you are scared, but we will play later, gun boy...)

Cool

Scared of WHAT ???
I 'm already up to my neck in guns.
I don 't need more for myself.

I have repeatedly said that I want all of my fellow citizens
to be well armed, without interference from any government.


U r hallucinating, Rocky.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 10:53 pm
Doubtful, Dave...

Guns don't make you less fearful, or you would only have one.

Maybe buy a Dog...

Rock
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 11:19 pm
Rockhead wrote:
Doubtful, Dave...

I need not convince U,
since Scalia et al were convinced.





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Guns don't make you less fearful,
or you would only have one.

Your logic is no good.
When I got my first gun,
it made me less fearful.
Hence, I know that u r rong, from memory.

When I buy a new gun,
it has nothing to do with security, nor with fear.
I buy from esthetics and sometimes I love
to acquire an artifact of history.
I have been repeatedly accosted at gunnery ranges,
sometimes by the police, commending me on the beauty of my ordnance.
My security needs were satisfied well over half a century ago, junior.



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Maybe buy a Dog...
Rock

I have had a lot of dogs over the decades,
Golden Retrievers, Irish Setters, German Shepherds,
never related to fear, but I travel too much for keeping dogs.
I 'm off again to a Mensa Annual Gathering in Denver tomorrow morning.




David
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 11:25 pm
Dave, my logic is REAL good. You and yer buds enjoy yer convention, the rest of us individuals will be here when yer done strutting in Denver...

Rock
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 05:03 am
Maybe Dave should get past being 8 with a gun.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jul, 2008 08:11 pm
Now if all citizens had a gun to carry, wouldn't there be situations where a gun may be used by mistake, or may be used when it is not a matter of protecting life and limb, but protecting one's ego?

If I am wrong, then why does the military have so much regimentation amongst its gun carrying troops? I think guns and regimentation go together like the old horse and carriage. Are civilians that regimented? "No, Sir!"

In my own opinion, the Second Amendment was written when the country's population was fairly homogeneous, and with societal mores that reflected more emotional control. Plus, there was a need to hunt for food. Perhaps, the Second Amendment may be very good for a country just starting out in a new land? But, since the high court has said it is still valid for today that only means that is the ruling of the high court. But, that does not mean the ruling was correct. It was just a ruling for the present as to the interpretation of the Second Amendment.

This reminds me of a car's speedometer. It shows a top speed of 140 mph. How often is that needed? But, cars are built to go easily at 120 mph. Not safe, but somehow it is desired to have that speed available. I think the Second Amendment ruling is similar in that it is wanted by a big constituency, regardless if guns are needed by the populace.

Now while citizens may have the right to own a gun, does the ruling also say that an employer cannot ask a potential employee about his/her gun activities? Market forces may ultimately prevail, as to the number of people that join the gun enthusiast community?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 11:36 pm
Foofie wrote:
Now if all citizens had a gun to carry, wouldn't there be situations where a gun may be used by mistake, or may be used when it is not a matter of protecting life and limb, but protecting one's ego?

If I am wrong, then why does the military have so much regimentation amongst its gun carrying troops? I think guns and regimentation go together like the old horse and carriage. Are civilians that regimented? "No, Sir!"

In my own opinion, the Second Amendment was written when the country's population was fairly homogeneous, and with societal mores that reflected more emotional control. Plus, there was a need to hunt for food. Perhaps, the Second Amendment may be very good for a country just starting out in a new land? But, since the high court has said it is still valid for today that only means that is the ruling of the high court. But, that does not mean the ruling was correct. It was just a ruling for the present as to the interpretation of the Second Amendment.

This reminds me of a car's speedometer. It shows a top speed of 140 mph. How often is that needed? But, cars are built to go easily at 120 mph. Not safe, but somehow it is desired to have that speed available. I think the Second Amendment ruling is similar in that it is wanted by a big constituency, regardless if guns are needed by the populace.

Now while citizens may have the right to own a gun, does the ruling also say that an employer cannot ask a potential employee about his/her gun activities? Market forces may ultimately prevail, as to the number of people that join the gun enthusiast community?

Did u READ the HELLER decision, Foofie ?
Do u understand its rationale ?




David
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 10:02 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Did u READ the HELLER decision, Foofie ?
Do u understand its rationale ?




David


You ignored my entire post and any logic it might reflect.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 05:24 pm
Foofie wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Did u READ the HELLER decision, Foofie ?
Do u understand its rationale ?




David


You ignored my entire post and any logic it might reflect.

U have ignored my question.

Much of your posted concerns r addressed, directly or indirectly,
by the history and the logical analysis set forth in the decision,
as u 'd know if u had taken the time to read the decision that u have denigrated,
without knowing what it is.


Regardless of that,
I will address your posted assertions, hereinbelow,
in satisfaction of your request.
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