Fear of a Black President

All humans are endowed by God with the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Humans forfeit those rights that they deny others.

Collectivists rely on others to think for them.
Individualists think for themselves.

I was emulating you!

ican711nm - careful now ican. You might not like the answers and what they imply.

Israel and Saudi Arabia come to mind, but in your cut and paste rebuttal, you didn't realize what you were corner you put yourself in. You would have been better off just answering the question.

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ican wrote: All humans are endowed by God with the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


Except those 100,000 innocent Iraqis who are now dead because of Bush's war.

snood wrote:
In a thread I started months and maybe years ago, I dealt with a sort of phenomenon that happens among blacks (and I asked if it happens among other groups of people). It happens in situations like, if a black person gets on a city bus drunk and disheveled, I think it embarrases the other blacks on board the bus. When a criminal's picture is shown and it happens to be a black person, I think a lot of black people say to themselves "Damn! Wish it wasn't a black person!" because they somehow feel on some level it reflects on them. I know on an anecdotal level this happens, because I've talked openly with other blacks about it. I am not presuming to speak for all black people.


I used to react the same way you did when I saw a Japanese in print or on tv that was reporting a criminal behavior or some negative behavior. However, I have come to realize that all cultures are not immune to one of their own making the wrong decisions of crime or personal behavior. That's the reason why no matter how well developed any country may be,
there will always be the criminal justice system in an effort to reduce crime. I see it as "normal" with all the warts and defects of humanity.

cicerone imposter wrote:

ican wrote: All humans are endowed by God with the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


Except those 100,000 innocent Iraqis who are now dead because of Bush's war.

Cice, you're wrong again!

To be right, you should have written:
Including those 100,000 innocent Iraqis who are now dead because of al-Qaeda and the rest of the middle eastern mass-murderers of non-murderers that were in Iraq

No WMDs, except the ones we used to blow them to bits.

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ican711nm wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

ican wrote: All humans are endowed by God with the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


Except those 100,000 innocent Iraqis who are now dead because of Bush's war.

Cice, you're wrong again!

To be right, you should have written:
Including those 100,000 innocent Iraqis who are now dead because of al-Qaeda and the rest of the middle eastern mass-murderers of non-murderers that were in Iraq

Al Queda was in Afganistan, not Iraq. They sure grew in numbers once we got there though. That makes us the catalyst.

No WMDs, except the ones we used to blow them to bits.

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Some are now claiming that the "surge" is a success after the initial justification for this war was illegal (no UN approval) and the operations for the past five years have been run by the most incompetent administration and generals.

WOW~! We're supposed to now be impressed with the reduction in violence that we helped perpetuate to the level before the surge?

That's not even reverse engineering or success by any meaning of that word; it's a war that's cost our country over 4,000 of our military men and women, and that's only the dead. If we count the soldiers who come back with permanent injuries of body and brain, this war to "bring democracy to the Middle East" (the latest justification) doesn't even come close to "success."

And that's only the human cost; over 100,000 innocent Iraqis dead, and some 2.7 billion spent every week in Iraq with a good portion of that money mismanaged by this administration. To add insult to injury, we're spending money that belongs to our children and grandchildren while Iraq holds over 50 billion in the bank.

What success? More people are still getting killed, both our soldiers and innocent Iraqis, and "peace" isn't even voiced by this administration, because they can't.

Our soldiers are spending two and three tours of duty in Iraq with many spending more time in a war zone than is known to be hazardous to their mental and physcial well-being. Many are getting divorced and committing suicide.

Where's the success?

cicerone imposter wrote:

Some are now claiming that the "surge" is a success after the initial justification for this war was illegal (no UN approval) and the operations for the past five years have been run by the most incompetent administration and generals.

WOW~! We're supposed to now be impressed with the reduction in violence that we helped perpetuate to the level before the surge?

That's not even reverse engineering or success by any meaning of that word; it's a war that's cost our country over 4,000 of our military men and women, and that's only the dead. If we count the soldiers who come back with permanent injuries of body and brain, this war to "bring democracy to the Middle East" (the latest justification) doesn't even come close to "success."

And that's only the human cost; over 100,000 innocent Iraqis dead, and some 2.7 billion spent every week in Iraq with a good portion of that money mismanaged by this administration. To add insult to injury, we're spending money that belongs to our children and grandchildren while Iraq holds over 50 billion in the bank.

What success? More people are still getting killed, both our soldiers and innocent Iraqis, and "peace" isn't even voiced by this administration, because they can't.

Our soldiers are spending two and three tours of duty in Iraq with many spending more time in a war zone than is known to be hazardous to their mental and physcial well-being. Many are getting divorced and committing suicide.

Where's the success?

"UN approval" by people who have been bribed by Saddam?

You don't know the meaning of the word "bribed," because you fail to see the obvious.

By now Saddam would be blowing up his neighbors and not just the people within his own country.

That would be a very good trick; our soldiers looked for those weapons for several years after Bush started his war, and nothing was found - although the administration continued to "mis-represent" what they did find.

And you can't easily see that as "the success" in Iraq?

I'm sure you heard the term, "we broke it, so we own it." Well, if you've been keeping close attention to this war, you missed the sign that said "Mission Accomplshed." The insurgency and al Qaeda didn't even exist in the numbers before we attacked Iraq, but grew in volume - thanks to us. Now it's decreased some, but not all. That's not success; it only been "temporarily modified."

Our soldiers are spending two and three tours of duty in Iraq...

RexRed wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Some are now claiming that the "surge" is a success after the initial justification for this war was illegal (no UN approval) and the operations for the past five years have been run by the most incompetent administration and generals.

WOW~! We're supposed to now be impressed with the reduction in violence that we helped perpetuate to the level before the surge?

That's not even reverse engineering or success by any meaning of that word; it's a war that's cost our country over 4,000 of our military men and women, and that's only the dead. If we count the soldiers who come back with permanent injuries of body and brain, this war to "bring democracy to the Middle East" (the latest justification) doesn't even come close to "success."

And that's only the human cost; over 100,000 innocent Iraqis dead, and some 2.7 billion spent every week in Iraq with a good portion of that money mismanaged by this administration. To add insult to injury, we're spending money that belongs to our children and grandchildren while Iraq holds over 50 billion in the bank.

What success? More people are still getting killed, both our soldiers and innocent Iraqis, and "peace" isn't even voiced by this administration, because they can't.

Our soldiers are spending two and three tours of duty in Iraq with many spending more time in a war zone than is known to be hazardous to their mental and physcial well-being. Many are getting divorced and committing suicide.

Where's the success?

"UN approval" by people who have been bribed by Saddam?

You don't know the meaning of the word "bribed," because you fail to see the obvious.

By now Saddam would be blowing up his neighbors and not just the people within his own country.

That would be a very good trick; our soldiers looked for those weapons for several years after Bush started his war, and nothing was found - although the administration continued to "mis-represent" what they did find.

And you can't easily see that as "the success" in Iraq?

I'm sure you heard the term, "we broke it, so we own it." Well, if you've been keeping close attention to this war, you missed the sign that said "Mission Accomplshed." The insurgency and al Qaeda didn't even exist in the numbers before we attacked Iraq, but grew in volume - thanks to us. Now it's decreased some, but not all. That's not success; it only been "temporarily modified."

Who said anything about not "supporting our troops?"

Here again, you show your ignorance. Bush used that rhetoric often "support our troops," but he cut veteran's benefits and services. That's what is called a "hypocrite." Do you understand? Maybe not!