Fear of a Black President

H2O_MAN wrote:

Zero Americans are without health care, but many lack health insurance.

Are you just desperate for attention? What else could motivate stupidity like this?

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God help us if he loses.

Europe will be convinced that we a racist society.

African-Americans will be convinced that the black man always gets it in the neck.

We have to elect him if we are to have people like us more.

God help us if he loses.

Europe will be convinced that we a racist society.

African-Americans will be convinced that the black man always gets it in the neck.

Liberals will be convinced that Evil dominates America and that in our racist society a black man will always get it in the neck.

We have to elect him if we are to have people like us more.

Diest TKO wrote:

H2O_MAN wrote:

Zero Americans are without health care, but many lack health insurance.

Are you just desperate for attention? What else could motivate stupidity like this?

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Actually, he is correct.
NOBODY can be denied health care in an emergency room in this country, even if they cant pay for it.
That doesnt mean that they will get a private room, but it does mean they will get the care needed to stabilize them.

So, H2Oman is actually correct.

Diest TKO wrote:

H2O_MAN wrote:

Zero Americans are without health care, but many lack health insurance.

Are you just desperate for attention? What else could motivate stupidity like this?

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Actually, he is correct.
NOBODY can be denied health care in an emergency room in this country, even if they cant pay for it.
That doesnt mean that they will get a private room, but it does mean they will get the care needed to stabilize them.

So, H2Oman is actually correct.

mysteryman wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

H2O_MAN wrote:

Zero Americans are without health care, but many lack health insurance.

Are you just desperate for attention? What else could motivate stupidity like this?

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Actually, he is correct.
NOBODY can be denied health care in an emergency room in this country, even if they cant pay for it.
That doesnt mean that they will get a private room, but it does mean they will get the care needed to stabilize them.

So, H2Oman is actually correct.

Mysteryman, you know as well as the rest of us do that:

Healthcare provided by having health insurance is not equal to healtcare provided by emergency rooms.

AND, if we wanted to treat our ERs as defacto health insurance then our government would be better off adopting a plan like Germany's (it'd be much cheaper).

mysteryman wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

H2O_MAN wrote:

Zero Americans are without health care, but many lack health insurance.

Are you just desperate for attention? What else could motivate stupidity like this?

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K
O

Actually, he is correct.
NOBODY can be denied health care in an emergency room in this country, even if they cant pay for it.
That doesnt mean that they will get a private room, but it does mean they will get the care needed to stabilize them.

So, H2Oman is actually correct.

Mysteryman, you know as well as the rest of us do that:

Healthcare provided by having health insurance is not equal to healtcare provided by emergency rooms.

I dont deny that, but that has nothing to do with waterman's basic point.
NOBODY is denied healthcare,but having insurance (or the ability to pay), will get you more and probably better healthcare.

AND, if we wanted to treat our ERs as defacto health insurance then our government would be better off adopting a plan like Germany's (it'd be much cheaper).

Woman dies ignored on hospital waiting room floor - CNN

NEW YORK (AP) -- City hospital officials said they were shocked by surveillance footage showing a woman falling from her chair, writhing on the floor and dying as workers failed to help for more than an hour.
Surveillance video shows a woman lying on the hospital floor for almost an hour before anyone helped her.

Esmin Green, 49, had been waiting in the emergency room for nearly 24 hours when she toppled from her seat at 5:32 a.m. June 19, falling face-down on the floor.

She was dead by 6:35, when someone on the medical staff, flagged down by a person in the waiting room, finally approached, nudged Green with her foot and gently prodded her shoulder, as if to wake her.

The staffer left and returned with someone wearing a white lab coat who examined her and summoned help.

Until the staffer's appearance, Green's collapse barely caused a ripple. Other patients waiting a few feet away didn't react. Security guards and a member of the hospital's staff appeared to notice her prone body at least three times but made no visible attempt to see whether she needed help. Video Watch the surveillance video »

One guard didn't even leave his chair, rolling it around a corner to stare at the body and then rolling away a few moments later.

Green, who had been involuntarily committed the previous morning and had waited overnight for a bed, stopped moving about half an hour after she collapsed.

The New York City Health and Hospitals Corporation, which runs the hospital, said six people have been fired as a result of the incident, including security personnel and members of the medical staff.

Green's medical records raised the possibility that someone might have tried to cover up the circumstances of the death.

They contained notations indicating that she was up and about during the time in which the video shows her dying on the floor.

"We are all shocked and distressed by this situation," HHC's president, Alan Aviles, said in a statement. "We express our deep regrets to the patient's family and will ensure a thorough investigation to answer any questions that remain."

Details of the death were disclosed by the hospital June 20, but the case largely remained unnoticed until the video became public.

The psychiatric unit at Kings County Hospital had been a subject of complaints by advocates for the mentally ill.

A state agency, the New York State Mental Hygiene Legal Service, filed a lawsuit a year ago, calling the psychiatric center "a chamber of filth, decay, indifference and danger."

Patients, the suit said, "are subjected to overcrowded and squalid conditions often accompanied by physical abuse and unnecessary and punitive injections of mind-altering drugs."

"From the moment a person steps through the doors," it added, "she is stripped of her freedom and dignity and literally forced to fight for the essentials of life."

The suit was especially critical of the hospital's emergency ward, saying it is so poorly staffed that patients are often marooned there for days while they wait to be evaluated.
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Sometimes, the unit runs out of chairs, according to the lawsuit, forcing people to wait on foam mats or on the waiting room floor. The suit also claims that bathrooms are filthy and filled with flies, and that patients who complain too loudly are sometimes handcuffed, beaten or injected with psychotropic drugs.

The office of the city's medical examiner said it was still trying to determine why Green died. She had been brought to the hospital suffering from agitation and psychosis, city officials said.

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Woman dies ignored on hospital waiting room floor - CNN

Diest TKO wrote:

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Woman dies ignored on hospital waiting room floor - CNN

Jesus H Effing Christ.

That is a horrible story.

Horrible, horrible.

And this is happening in America? The richest country in the world?

It sounds like something from communist Romania or something...

Jesus.

. The emergency room is where you go for emergencies.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

. The emergency room is where you go for emergencies.

That's the it's supposed to work, but that's not the reality.
People go to emergency rooms for all sorts of non-emergencies.

H2O_MAN wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

. The emergency room is where you go for emergencies.

That's the it's supposed to work, but that's not the reality.
People go to emergency rooms for all sorts of non-emergencies.

That's how the system in the US is built; inefficiency built into the federally mandated policy; no one can be turned away from the emergency room. That's where you conservatives who doesn't like universal health care is part of the problem; you'd rather pay when the patient doesn't need emergency care by not offering any options. FYI, the emergency room is the most expensive place to provide medical care.

cicerone imposter wrote:

H2O_MAN wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

. The emergency room is where you go for emergencies.

That's the it's supposed to work, but that's not the reality.
People go to emergency rooms for all sorts of non-emergencies.

That's how the system in the US is built; inefficiency built into the federally mandated policy; no one can be turned away from the emergency room. That's where you conservatives who doesn't like universal health care is part of the problem; you'd rather pay when the patient doesn't need emergency care by not offering any options. FYI, the emergency room is the most expensive place to provide medical care.

Government health care will cause far more suffering and deaths than the current mess.
It's a change we can do without.