Fear of a Black President

Re: Black America Opposes Obama


For one, there are many blacks registered as republicans, and many will be voting for McCain - as they did for Bush.

Re: Black America Opposes Obama


Yeah, those numbers are growing

Yeah, those numbers are growing

By what -? Two people or three?

Re: Black America Opposes Obama
Have ever, even once, confirmed one of your idiotic assertions before, during or after posting?

Re: Black America Opposes Obama


J.C.Watts, Shelby Steele, Walter Williams, and Thomas Sowell, among others, have also gone on the record that Obama is not what they want in a President and each has given varying reasons for that. According to the polls, the large majority of black people who vote will vote for Obama. But despite the Democratic party's dismal record on dealing with issues specifically important to black people, most would have voted for the Democrat in any case so we can't know how many might vote for Obama just because he is black. We can assume that skin color is a factor, however, when we see the huge disparity among black voters between Obama and Clinton.

It would be even more interesting to see the demographics of the polls if the black candidate happened to be Republican.

"Idiotic assertions"

That's liberal speak for "OMG he's right!"

And conservatives never, ever, say anything idiotic - not.

I don't speak liberal, and you most certainly are not right (a teensy bit of research would have disproved either of those moronic assumptions). All mouth and no research make the water guy appear pretty stupid, most of the time. Other than that; you seem like a nice guy though. (I'm trying to learn to be nicer. :wink:)

I think there is a fundamental problem with the way that republicans and democrats communicate with each other. This exchange highlights that. While republicans turn to personal attacks when they are losing their footing, democrats do so when they are feeling sure of their stance.

personally I do it both ways.

Grow one. And balls too while you're at it.

He wouldn't know what to do with it.

Here's an interesting revelation about our brains - lying to us. This applies to so many topics including religion and politics that I thought it apropot to include it here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/opinion/27aamodt.html?em&ex=1214712000&en=07a0cd373fc51d40&ei=5087%0A&exprod=myyahoo

I could not read through all the prior pages, so if the following point was already brought up, disregard it.

I believe that many whites that will vote for Obama are voting for his guiding principles. They subscribe to his vision. Race has nothing to do with it.

However, are most Blacks that will vote for Obama voting for his vision, his guiding principles? Or is it just that it would be nice to see a Black President?

It makes me wonder whether Obama getting elected will reflect some sort of collective accomplishment in the eyes of many Blacks, rather than a President with a specific vision? In other words, if Obama gets elected is he something different, as the President, for many of his Black constituents, than what he represents to many of his white constituents?

Considering all Presidents have been white Protestant males, except for Kennedy, and he was white and male, should there be a moratorium on white Presidents for some period of time? At least until all Blacks have a specific average score on some test for self-esteem? I thought the Egyptian Pharohs were Black Africans, so what is wrong with our Presidents being Black Americans for some period of time?

Sort of like the British Royal family has to be Protestant.

Then if any other "group" is thinking someone from their group can run for President, it can be pointed out politely, "Sorry, all Presidents must be Black Americans for the next hundred years." Think of all the problems that would solve in primaries.

By all means will it reflect a sense of collective accomplishment in the minds of African-Americans: not only is he African-American, but his specific vision concurrently demonstrates African-Americans are not inferior. He is intelligent and that vision expresses some insight into lifting the U.S. out of G.W's rabbit hole.

On average, his black constituency is something different than his white constituency. But this is not to say that the former can not comprehend what he is talking about, and this is not to say that the latter can not comprehend the accomplishment of the former. Both constituencies know there has never been a black President, though it goes without question that he will be viewed as something different for the African-American block. To be sure, if he were to win the Presidency, it would be a unique case: he would be the first African-American in the oval office.

That's an interesting observation. What do you think it signifies?

I'm incline to believe it's nonsense but it might be a very interesting observation if you could put meat on the bones.

You have my heart forever.

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In part because the media is not as sensitive to it as when it happens to black youths, and in part because you're probably not listening for it.

If you think brutal cops only pick on black kids, you're mistaken. Smart mouth white kids get similar treatment.

I had a couple of run ins with cops when I was in my late teens.

Once because my two friends and I were playing golf with only two sets of clubs and we happened to be in front of (as we eventually learned) a detective and his wife/girlfriend/mistress and were slowing them down. On the 15th green, while putting out, a beautifully struck ball fell in between us. The guy was good, but not that good and so the ball could have easily hit one of us. My friend turned to the guy driving up in his cart and gave him the single digit salute. The next thing we know he's flashing a badge, smacking us around and pulling his gun. I guess he figured it would impress his companion. Fortunately as one friend approached him from behind with a raised club, and I began to have visions of the next day's headlines in the local paper: Drug crazed hippies attack detective on golf course; quick acting law officer plugs all three, the clown must have realized what sort of sh*t he had gotten himself into and fell back apologizing.

The second episode was during a march in NYC in 1970 protesting the Vietnam War and more specifically the shootings at Kent State. This was somewhat infamous for the fact that NYC construction workers attacked some of the protesters. At the time, (and perhaps now) I would like to say I was at the forefront of the march and while battling Hard Hats, got set upon by the Pigs. Nope --- although I was away from the main hubbub, someone did something stupid as respects the police lining the streets (I still don't know what it was) and the next thing I knew cops with flailing batons were all over the place. One of them found me and opened a six stitch gash in my head.. This was well before teevo and so I had to rely upon friends watching the TV, but my little tussle, apparently never made the news. Maybe if I had died it would.

The point is that cops are humans and some of them are assh*les and some may overreact in an adrenaline charged situation. Either way, whether or not they have an innate hatred for blacks , they can be relied upon to occassionally rough up browns, yellows, reds and even whites.

The fact of the matter is that blacks are disproportionatly responsible for crimes and therefore, it logically follows, subject to greater interaction with police.

Irrespective of what the sociological roots of this fact may be, it is a fact.

As much as we might like to believe that our law enforcement officers are capable of being utterly objective and above prejudice (which I hasten to add is not synonymous with hating blacks), it is foolish to expect the same.

If a certain percentage of cops are going to be brutal jackassess then their misdeeds are bound to be more evident as respects a group with which they most often come in contact, and which attract enhanced media attention.

Any substance to allegations that police profile by race requires statistics that go beyond the number of interactions between police and a given race. There may very well be such statistics out there, but here in Texas (which I know y'all Liberals consider to be the third circle of Hell) when I drive by a traffic stop and notice the driver is black or hispanic the vehicle is almost never a clean, late model car.

Since drug-dealers and otherwise successful criminals are more likely to be driving an expensive, late model vehicle (irrespective of race) any assumption drawn from this anecdotal evidence needs to be that the police profile based on class. A different issue altogether.



Perhaps, but then why hasn't it happened? It certainly isn't because only you and eoe have come to this brilliant conclusion?

Regurgitating this as a "need," so many, many years after it was originally identified is on the one hand utterly vapid, and on the other, an indictment of our public school system.

Are we going to extend the foul influence of racism to "good teachers" not wanting to devote their skills to minorities?

Alternative possibilities:

Good Teachers are not altruistic saints who should be expected to do more than most of the rest of us in addressing these social problems simply because they can. Teacher Unions that enforce mediocrity in our public school system are not about to allow the rest of us to incent the Good Teachers, through exceptional compensation, towards the toughest jobs.

Why should Good Teachers be required to focus their skills on Bad Students? Why shouldn't Society want the Best Teachers to focus on the Best Students?

If we accept that Society will always have classes (and I acknowledge that many will not find this axiomatic), isn't it in the best interests of Society to find ways to maximize the contributions of the Good Student than to bring the Bad Student a bit closer to the mean?

The answer is that given the right pressure, we will all agree that this is the case. Case in point: When gas was below $3.00 a gallon, Americans could feel magnanimous about the "pristine" stretches of Alaska and 100 miles off our coast. Now that it is averaging above $4.00, look how Americans want more drilling everywhere.

It is actually remarkable testimony to America that huge segments of our population feel so confident about our future that they demand counter-intuitive focuses on, by the standards of the rest of the world, marginal problems.



If you and your daughter were in the mall one Saturday and she tried to point out this friend to you (before you met her), how long do you think it would take before she said "The black one?"



Well we just won't will we?

I meet a black person for the first time and I see his or her skin color before I "see" the person. Makes me a bigot? If so, then I am a "bigot" about other clearly obvious physical characteristics: hair color, weight, height, age, symetry of features, deformities etc etc etc. Arguing that we should not notice "differences" is arguing against a evolutionary surrvival technic that as served us quite well, and we are nowhere near the stage when we can be expected to separate ourselves from such tactics.

Advocating literal color-blindness is simply stupid. The measure of a person is whether or not, once past the legitimate and prelimnary reactions to physical characteristics, they are able to judge their neighbor based on character and not characteristics.

And so, yes we should hope and work for a society wherein the color of someone doesn't immediately conjure up prejudicial assumptions, but some of the burden of this task lies with the particular people of color.

It makes no sense for us to insist that color/race/class may not have a negative connotation when the first African-American candidate for President spends Father's Day lecturing black men on their responsibility to abide by social norms.

Here's a reason why I fear a white president; he contradicts his speech with his actions.

During naturalization ceremonies yesterday, he said:

"These new citizens are proof that there is no American race, just an American creed," Bush said Saturday in his weekly radio address. "In the United States, we believe in the rights and dignity of every person. We believe in equal justice, limited government and the rule of law. And we believe in personal responsibility and tolerance towards others. This creed of freedom and equality has lifted the lives of millions of Americans, whether citizens by birth or citizens by choice."

He also mentioned the support of our troops, but he has personally cut veteran's benefits and services. Scary.

Who cares what the lieing sob sayes. I haven't listened to him for four years since the uninformed voters put him in office.