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Obama supporters: where do you differ from your candidate?

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 06:49 am
cptjack wrote:
I'm for the war.


You must be a Rep. Your post is so well-reasoned and documented.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 06:50 am
CI, thanks for the excellent statement. I have some differences, but am impressed with your boldness and reasoning.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 10:09 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Now, getting back to the original post:

Thanks, CI. I didn't intend this thread to be just another "let's bash the other guy's candidate" thread. We have plenty of those already.
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 04:10 pm
cptjack wrote:
I'm for the war.

So, suit up and GO! Cool
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 05:00 pm
There were two problems for Mr. Obama with this familiar syndrome. First, he had promised to be the personification (messiah?) of a new kind of politics, a conviction politician with a strong moral compass that would guide his politics. Instead, he lent credence to the many critics from Ms Clinton's camp who had alleged all along that he relied on content-free eloquence and slogans, that he was a false prophet who would show soon enough that if the voters did not like his principles, why, he had many others he could use. And, of course, the diehard Clinton supporters not only feel vindicated; they are even more resolute in rejecting Mr. Obama.

The other difficulty for Mr. Obama was the speed with which he changed course and the number of items on which he tacked swiftly to the centre. Nor is it over yet. On August 1, as a new opinion poll showed that a majority of Americans favour offshore drilling to cushion the shock of the inexorable rise in oil and petrol prices, Mr. Obama softened his previously firm opposition to offshore drilling. He had already either retreated from or, at best, refined and nuanced his evolving position on a number of hot button issues. One of the most momentous was voting for a new surveillance law that granted retroactive immunity to telecommunications operators for violating citizens' privacy laws by complying with requests for intelligence intercepts by the government. Other major policy somersaults included abandoning the promise of public financing for the campaign, softening his stance on gun control, equivocating on the status of Jerusalem, and endorsing church-based institutions to deliver public services.

A major reason why Mr. Obama finds himself boxed in a corner by the above two developments is the third failing of his campaign, namely his seeming inability to go on the offensive. In any game, the side that plays entirely on the defence in its own half cannot score and therefore cannot win. The best it can hope for is a scoreless tie. Mr. Obama got away with this in the primary, despite having such a target rich opponent, in part because Ms Clinton was the one who entered the contest as the anointed one, in part because it was assumed that Mr. Obama was too much of a gentleman to attack her. But he did repeatedly promise to go forcefully after his Republican opponent once he was the Democratic nominee. He is yet to do so and is running out of time. The failure to play offence means that the Republicans are succeeding in defining Mr. Obama on their terms while Mr. McCain continues to elude the limp barbs aimed at him. If the best that the Obama camp can do is to repeat ad infinitum the stale and wearying line that a vote for McCain would be a third term for George W. Bush, they can expect their slide in the polls to continue.


The Democrats need to reverse course rapidly in deifying Mr. Obama and humanise him instead; highlight some key issues on which he has shown backbone and the courage of convictions in contrast to vacillations, evasions and backflips by Mr. McCain; and target each and every one of Mr. McCain's perceived weaknesses and vulnerabilities with a relentless, laser-like focus. Time for the tough and ambitious Chicago politician to take command of the campaign.

http://www.hindu.com/2008/08/06/stories/2008080656051000.htm
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 05:12 pm
Obama definitely has his flaws, some pretty serious. However, he is a saint compared to the corrupt and incompetent McCain. With McCain, we would get a continuation of the failed Bush policies. It is incredible that he is doing so well in the polls.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 05:19 pm
I fully, blindly uphold your views sir.
BUT USA has a corporate controlled election drama and I am afraid he will get defeated if he play the same old goody goody role.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 06:50 pm
I see the flaws in both candidates, but McCain's senility and his inability to remember countries and who our enemies are scares the be-jesus out of me!

Don't forget, he's the more experienced candidate, but he's forgetful with a temper. Not a good combination for the CIC. He might end up nuking the wrong country.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 03:20 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I see the flaws in both candidates, but McCain's senility and his inability to remember countries and who our enemies are scares the be-jesus out of me!

Don't forget, he's the more experienced candidate, but he's forgetful with a temper. Not a good combination for the CIC. He might end up nuking the wrong country.


And, of course, he is looking forward to attacking Iran.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 03:47 pm
Advocate wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
I see the flaws in both candidates, but McCain's senility and his inability to remember countries and who our enemies are scares the be-jesus out of me!

Don't forget, he's the more experienced candidate, but he's forgetful with a temper. Not a good combination for the CIC. He might end up nuking the wrong country.


And, of course, he is looking forward to attacking Iran.


I'm not sure McCain knows where Iran is located on the world map, and that's after he's visited the Middle East a few times.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 03:49 pm
Another thought: I wonder if McCain knows where Vietnam is located on a world map.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2008 07:01 am
I was just reminded of this thread by nimh on the Obama thread. I went all the way through it looking for where I mentioned his vote for telecom immunity and didn't see it, so here it is. He seriously disappointed me by voting for telecom immunity in the last FISA bill, and I can't stomach his justification for it.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2008 12:15 pm
Obama recently said the Fed should be given greater supervisery powers over Wall St. I think the Fed should be abolished and the power to print money be restored to the people through Congress and Treasury. Dept. JFK actually did that essentially killing the Fed. But they were resurrected upon his assassination.
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