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A Vice Presidental candidate thread.

 
 
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 05:57 pm
@spendius,
Not...

(sarcasm wink prolly shoulda been inserted...)

Rolling Eyes
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 06:02 pm
@Rockhead,
Well Rocky-- I thought with her living next door there might be some truth in it.

The Washington lot seems to know very little about the Russkies.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 06:07 pm
@spendius,
Spendy, I know some guys been stationed in Alaska.

I'd lay odds, they got a better idea of truth (Not God's truth, mind ya) about the Russkies than the lovely Guv...
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 06:18 pm
@Rockhead,
She must have got wind of it in that case. Unless Guvs don't know what's going on.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 06:23 pm
@spendius,
Her problems are not the Russians at the moment...

I'm guessin' McCain is a subscriber to the theory that any press is good press. (Otherwise, he has egg on his cheek)
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 06:30 pm
@firefly,
Levi Johnson, Bristol Palin, and John McCain.

http://www.aolcdn.com/aolportal/levi-mccain-200ds090308.jpg

"You marry Bristol, sonny, and make an honest woman of her, and I'll make you Secretary of State. You don't even have to bother finishing high school. I'll even through in a brand new Corvette. But, don't feel pressured, Levi, we want this to be your own decision. Shut up, Bristol, the kid's a good catch, and I'm running this show".

Republican family values Laughing
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 07:29 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
JAY BOOKMAN
Media not to blame that Palin story line fell apart
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Thursday, September 04, 2008

The McCain campaign and much of the Republican Party are outraged at media coverage of Sarah Palin. McCain strategist Steve Schmidt set the tone perfectly Wednesday, whining about a “faux media scandal designed to destroy the first female Republican nominee.”

Well, cry me a river. Let’s take that claim apart, and let’s start with this:

A relative handful of columnists and commentators and a larger number of bloggers have indeed wondered in public about Palin’s decision to accept the nomination so soon after giving birth to a son with Down syndrome, a condition that requires a lot of attention, and when she has a 17-year-old unmarried pregnant daughter. How, they have asked, could Palin do right both by her family and her country?

To the McCain camp, such questions constitute a “vicious and scurrilous” media campaign to ruin a promising conservative candidate, using sexism to do it. Is that true?

Fortunately, we have a similar set of circumstances to compare against the Palin case.

In March of 2007, John Edwards decided to continue his presidential campaigning even after his wife was diagnosed with terminal cancer. The reaction will sound familiar.

Rush Limbaugh said the Edwardses were turning their eyes to the campaign when they instead should turn their eyes to God. Katie Couric, in a “60 Minutes” interview, accused Edwards of mining his wife’s condition for sympathy votes.

“Even those who may be very empathetic to what you all are facing might question your ability to run the country at the same time you’re dealing with a major health crisis in your family,” Couric told Edwards.

And in Time magazine, columnist Jay Carney wrote that “surely many average Americans have to be wondering at what point the candidate will decide that his duties as husband and father to three children, including a 6- and 8-year-old, trump his duty to his country and the cause of winning the White House.”

Edwards is a man; he is also a liberal. Yet, he faced the same questioning and second-guessing that Palin is now undergoing. Why? Because human beings are drawn to human stories, and the media have an economic incentive to tell those stories, regardless of political bent.

The McCain’s camp complaint about a media “feeding frenzy” focused on Palin is even more precious. John McCain chose to introduce a totally unknown player to the national scene at a critical point in the campaign, and he did so by portraying her as a gun-toting mother of five, riding out of the wilds of Alaska like a female John Wayne to clean up Washington.

And they claim to be shocked at the “feeding frenzy” they set off? In the first hours after the announcement, TV reporters had so little information about Palin that they were reduced to reading off Wikipedia for information. Of course, the media descended on Alaska to try to fill in the gaps as quickly as possible.

The story the McCain camp peddled was so appealing that Palin even drew coverage from Us magazine, People and National Enquirer, outlets that would never have wasted ink on a Kay Bailey Hutchison or Tim Pawlenty. Their interest was human, not political.

The real reason Schmidt is angry is because the reporting has shown that so much of the original McCain narrative was untrue.

Palin was cast as a reformer who fought the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere.” But in fact, she ran for governor in 2006 as a champion of the pork-barrel bridge and “opposed” it only after it was clear the project was dead. We were told that Palin abhors earmarks, the special congressional appropriations that Alaska politicians have used to bleed billions from the American taxpayer. But it turns out Palin fought to get earmarks both as mayor and as governor, hiring lobbyists and going to Washington herself to bring them home.

It’s not the media’s fault that the cinematic story envisioned by McCain and his staff has fallen apart on closer inspection. They just didn’t do their homework, and they got caught.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 09:33 pm
@firefly,
Just in case the conservatives missed this paragraph from firefly's article:

"Palin was cast as a reformer who fought the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere.” But in fact, she ran for governor in 2006 as a champion of the pork-barrel bridge and “opposed” it only after it was clear the project was dead. We were told that Palin abhors earmarks, the special congressional appropriations that Alaska politicians have used to bleed billions from the American taxpayer. But it turns out Palin fought to get earmarks both as mayor and as governor, hiring lobbyists and going to Washington herself to bring them home."

Can't be repeated enough times; the conservatives will parrot the false info.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 09:37 pm
I just watched her speech, and she did just fine. Poised, confident, and obviously well-received by our delegates in the hall. I'm confident that our candidates will campaign well, and their appeal will increase over time as the voting public becomes more familiar with Gov. Palin.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 09:38 pm
@Asherman,
The perfect android...

(with really cool baggage)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 09:40 pm
The problem with Palin who won overnight celebrity status is that she'll fall from grace as soon as more dirt comes out about this gov. Two months will seem like eternity for those who must fool the majority about the qualifications to become the VP.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 09:51 pm
@Asherman,
I agree, Ash.

(Good to see you, btw. Like the gravatar; the beard is gone?)
Asherman
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 09:58 pm
@Ticomaya,
Yeah, I'm in a long haired Fu-Manchu mustache mode at the moment. Usually I grow the beard for the kiddies at Christmas, and carry little presents in my pockets. Not this year. I'm going out even less than usual. Over the past six months or so a lot of my focus has been writing short stories. The stories can be read at www.writing.com Click on authors in the box at the top of the page and select my portfolio "Asherman". I think you might like some of the stories, and writing them has been much more fun than be targeted by the Left-wing zealots at A2K. It'll be interesting to see them cry and lambaste Obama after they lose the election in November.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 10:14 pm
@Asherman,
Ah, I hear you, my friend. The leftists target you because you speak the truth, and that is not what they want to hear. I'll seek out your stories. Good to hear you are writing. How is Natalie?
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:56 am
@Ticomaya,
I think Palin did a perfectly decent job last night. She is poised and actually seemed relatively relaxed, particularly considering the importance of the speech and how many eyes and ears were fixed on her. She is obviously able to deliver a speech well. She got through it without mistakes or gaffs. And she, and her family, present an attractive visual package.

Was I impressed by the content of her speech? Not at all.

She mentioned she would advocate for special needs children, but did not mention the large numbers of Americans who have no health insurance or medical coverage, or how she, or her party, will address problems in the health care system.

I did not hear her address any educational problems at all. Her own daughter, Bristol, attends a high school which has been labelled a "drop-out factory" (only 60% of entering freshmen wind up graduating), and, as the mother of 5, the subject of education should be of some interest to her. Surely she is aware that problems in our educational system exist, and that many school systems are currently struggling due to budget cuts. Hasn't she thought about these things?

She mentioned that her son will be going to Iraq, but made no comments about the war--how much longer we should remain in Iraq, the treatment of our returning veterans, the problems of recruitment for the military etc,--nor did she comment about any aspect of our foreign policy, or what we must do to repair our image in the world to regain a position of true respect.

She bragged about being able to balance her state budget, and having a budget surplus, but never mentioned that is due to revenue from oil and federal funding (Alaska has no state income tax, and, I think, no sales tax either), and she completely ignored the problems of about 37 other governors currently struggling with budget deficits, and the failing state of our national economy. She feels good because Alaska is in good economic shape, but what about the problems of other average Americans who are struggling with inflation, rising food prices, job losses, costs of health care, and the frightening prospect of losing their homes? People say they can identify with this woman, but can she identify with them? She seems not just like a Washington outsider, but an outsider to the problems of the people in all the lower states.

She took swipes at Obama, as a good VP attack dog usually does in an election, and her obvious toughness means Biden (and everyone else) can go at her in a no-holds-barred manner in a debate without fear they will create a sympathetic image of a damsel in distress. But her attacks on Obama seemed shallow and petty. They were pretty much just sarcastic digs. She did not tell us exactly why his ideas, or proposals, or programs were flawed, or would not solve our national problems, and seemed to ignore the fact that most people actually vote on the issues rather than trying to calibrate whether her experience matches Obama's. Obviously, a lot of folks have confidence in Obama, and will vote for him, despite his relative lack of experience, and she did nothing to really change their minds.

So, the lady delivered on style, but not on substance last night.

Most importantly, she said absolutely nothing that would convince me she is anywhere near ready to possibly become the president of the U.S. And, when McCain stands next to her, he appears even older--just by contrast--reminding me she would be a 72 year old heartbeat away from the presidency if they are elected.

Unfortunately for McCain, Palin's appearance was the real excitement, partly because she is such an unknown quantity, and partly because of the swirl of gossip and family drama surrounding her. She benefitted from the curiosity factor. I can't imagine that that many people will be particularly excited about listening to what he has to say tonight. If she continues to overshadow him, he will look more and more like an over-the-hill has-been.





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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:37 am
Troopers' union angry about Palin accusations
Official says governor is using state troopers as a 'whipping boy'


By Alan Suderman | JUNEAU EMPIRE
Gov. Sarah Palin is using the Alaska State Troopers as a "whipping boy" to try and cover up her misdeeds, the head of the troopers' union said Wednesday.

The governor's lawyer has accused the troopers of turning a blind eye to an alleged rogue officer, Mike Wooten, who also is the governor's ex-brother-in-law.

"It is outrageous and disappointing that the governor would choose to make the Alaska State Troopers the whipping boy for her ethical lapse of judgment," said John Cyr, the executive director of the Public Safety Employees Association.

Cyr added that his organization was filing an ethics complaint against the governor and her staff regarding the disclosure of Wooten's private personnel information.
http://juneauempire.com/stories/090408/ ... 1946.shtml
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:04 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
She mentioned she would advocate for special needs children, but did not mention the large numbers of Americans who have no health insurance or medical coverage, or how she, or her party, will address problems in the health care system.


Except she cut funding for the aged and handicapped.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 07:36 am
@cicerone imposter,
With everything you have heard about Sarah Palin, have you heard anyone extol her honesty?

She obviously is deceptive in presenting her positions.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 07:47 am
@firefly,
Wouldn't you expect that in someone running for high office. It is possible she might have to deceive certain foreign governments and you wouldn't want anybody who had no experience at it such as Mr Obama. He's as honest as the day is long isn't he?

It is a trifle impolite to draw attention to it though.

George Washington never told a lie I was told. Not that I believed it mind you.

Things have moved on since then. I assume everybody is lying all the time. Everything about Sarah's get-up was a lie. She doesn't always look like that.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 07:56 am
Biden is not about change - Biden is a step backwards.
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