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The Case Against John McCain

 
 
revel
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 07:03 am
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links and video at the source
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 10:02 am
John McCain claims he can balance the federal budget in one year in office.
How does he do that from the current budget?


MILITARY: 54% and $1,449 billion
NON-MILITARY: 46% and $1,210 billion

HOW THESE FIGURES WERE DETERMINED


Current military" includes Dept. of Defense ($653 billion), the military portion from other departments ($150 billion), and an additional $162 billion to supplement the Budget's misleading and vast underestimate of only $38 billion for the "war on terror." "Past military" represents veterans' benefits plus 80% of the interest on the debt.*

The Government Deception
The pie chart below is the government view of the budget. This is a distortion of how our income tax dollars are spent because it includes Trust Funds (e.g., Social Security), and the expenses of past military spending are not distinguished from nonmilitary spending.



These figures are from an analysis of detailed tables in the "Analytical Perspectives" book of the Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2009.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/pieFY09.gif
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 10:04 am
How does McCain save $600 billion from this budget?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 10:40 am
He doesn't, it's idiotic.

Today's news focuses once again on McCain's gambling, and the question of him doing businesses with lobbyists at the gambling table:

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/8/10274/73297/29/548152

He did a lot of gambling with the tribes connected to Jack Abramoff.

Cycloptichorn
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 10:43 am
He's honing his skills at shark jumping.
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 10:55 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
John McCain claims he can balance the federal budget in one year in office.
How does he do that from the current budget?



He knows that you are a patriotic American and will voluntarily forego the 6-8 lavish trips abroad that you indulge in each year, and instead you'll send the money in.

After that, it's pretty easy.
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lordzorba
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 11:10 am
McCain = Magoo
Gore Vidal summed up McCain (and the current state of America) rather well in an interview screened on British television last month: Jon Snow Interviews Gore Vidal
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 11:23 am
lordzork, First of all, welcome to a2k. Unfortunately, the link to the Gore Vidal interview has too many pauses to keep our interest, but he does make many interesting points about both Bush and McCain.

On McCain: "He should have been court-martialed for losing his plane."

On the senior Bush: "He was a light-weight."

On Bush junior: "Cheney ran everything."
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lordzorba
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 12:01 pm
Re: Zork
Thanks for the welcome, boss. Been away for too long!
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 05:25 pm
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Bob Edwards Radio.com explores Rick Shenkman's new book, "Just How Stupid Are We?: Facing the Truth About the American Voter":

-Only 2 in 5 voters can name the three branches of the federal government.

-Only 1 in 7 can find Iraq on a map.

-Only 1 in 5 know that there are 100 federal senators.

And the most chillingÂ…

-Nearly half (49%) of Americans think the President has the authority to suspend the Constitution.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 05:30 pm
JTT, That's a surprising number - who doesn't understand the Constitution - and its guaranteed protections against the tyranny of our own government. That's the reason presidents must say they will uphold the Constitution during their swearing in ceremony. Not even the president is above the laws of this country.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 06:41 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
John McCain claims he can balance the federal budget in one year in office.
How does he do that from the current budget?


MILITARY: 54% and $1,449 billion
NON-MILITARY: 46% and $1,210 billion

HOW THESE FIGURES WERE DETERMINED


Current military" includes Dept. of Defense ($653 billion), the military portion from other departments ($150 billion), and an additional $162 billion to supplement the Budget's misleading and vast underestimate of only $38 billion for the "war on terror." "Past military" represents veterans' benefits plus 80% of the interest on the debt.*

The Government Deception
The pie chart below is the government view of the budget. This is a distortion of how our income tax dollars are spent because it includes Trust Funds (e.g., Social Security), and the expenses of past military spending are not distinguished from nonmilitary spending.



These figures are from an analysis of detailed tables in the "Analytical Perspectives" book of the Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2009.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/pieFY09.gif


Veto ANY bill with any type of pork spending.
That would save billions by itself.

Eliminate about half of the various depts that dont accomplish much or are redundant and let other depts pick up the slack.
Fire about half of the people in federal govt employ right now
To many of them seem to have as their only job just wandering around telling each other how important they are.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 06:20 am
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McCain's Latest Iran Joke
By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain hasn't had good luck joking about Iran. But he tried it again Tuesday.

Responding to a question about a survey that shows increased exports to
Iran, mainly from cigarettes, McCain said, "Maybe thats a way of killing them."

He quickly caught himself, saying "I meant that as a joke" as his wife, Cindy, poked him in the back.

Last time, it was also Iran. His singing about bombing Iran to the theme of the Beach Boy' "Barbara Ann" drew derision from many quarters but a "lighten up" response from McCain.


source

Quote:


video and link at the source

As far as John McCain and his boastful remarks about balancing the budget. It is just that; empty boastful remarks parroting the tried and failed conservative policies which has thus far got us so in debt the next administration will have tough decisions to make to say the least about it. Lets just hope it won't be McSame getting us deeper in debt.

Skepticism on McCain Plan to Balance Budget by 2013

They're Lying
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 08:53 am
McCain on Monday:

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Americans have got to understand that we are paying present-day retirees with the taxes paid by young workers in America today. And that's a disgrace. It's an absolute disgrace, and it's got to be fixed.


Yeah, that's Social Security. That's how it works. Is he calling SS a disgrace?

Third rail time, man

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 10:23 am
Hilzoy has another doozy of a post with lots of links. The end of it:

hilzoy wrote:
[McCain] has a few ideas lodged in his head, without anything like the background he'd need in order to question or assess them, and without any discernible interest in learning more. He doesn't keep basic, basic facts straight, or know really elementary aspects of his own policies.

I never thought I'd end up covering John McCain like this. I expected, after eight years of Bush, to be able to argue about genuine philosophical and policy differences, rather than going on about the most basic matters of competence. But McCain's performance so far is just frightening. We've had eight years of a clueless President who governs on the basis of his gut plus a few stray ideas that wafted in on the breeze and somehow stuck. We do not need four more.


http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/07/even-more-mccai.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 10:27 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McCain on Monday:

Quote:
Americans have got to understand that we are paying present-day retirees with the taxes paid by young workers in America today. And that's a disgrace. It's an absolute disgrace, and it's got to be fixed.


Yeah, that's Social Security. That's how it works. Is he calling SS a disgrace?

Third rail time, man

Cycloptichorn


The disgrace is that our government spends the social security trust fund as general revenue, then complain without correcting the main culprit; overspending.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 11:12 am
McCain, or at the very least the person running his campaign, is a liar and a fraud.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11618.html

He passed around a short statement of support, got economists to sign it, and then tacked it to the back of a 15-page plan which they didn't read, to make it seem as if they approved of his idiotic economic ideas.

Absolute lies and fraud! Shameless and his supporters should be embarrassed of his incompetence, if nothing else.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 11:20 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McCain, or at the very least the person running his campaign, is a liar and a fraud.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11618.html

He passed around a short statement of support, got economists to sign it, and then tacked it to the back of a 15-page plan which they didn't read, to make it seem as if they approved of his idiotic economic ideas.

Absolute lies and fraud! Shameless and his supporters should be embarrassed of his incompetence, if nothing else.

Cycloptichorn


I know most candidates are shameless when it comes to winning, but "lies and fraud" should not be tolerated by either side; democrats or republicans. We've had enough lies and fraud from the current occupant of the white house. Bush has said repeatedly, we'll leave when the Iraqis ask us to leave. He's reneging on that promise, because the Iraqis are now demanding a timeline for the departure of our troops, and Bush isn't complying with their demands.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 12:10 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McCain, or at the very least the person running his campaign, is a liar and a fraud.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11618.html

He passed around a short statement of support, got economists to sign it, and then tacked it to the back of a 15-page plan which they didn't read, to make it seem as if they approved of his idiotic economic ideas.

Absolute lies and fraud! Shameless and his supporters should be embarrassed of his incompetence, if nothing else.

Cycloptichorn


I know most candidates are shameless when it comes to winning, but "lies and fraud" should not be tolerated by either side; democrats or republicans. We've had enough lies and fraud from the current occupant of the white house. Bush has said repeatedly, we'll leave when the Iraqis ask us to leave. He's reneging on that promise, because the Iraqis are now demanding a timeline for the departure of our troops, and Bush isn't complying with their demands.


You guys are so full of **** I am surprised the smell doesn't permeate through the internet.

First of all, 300 economists signed the document, Cyc's source interviewed "more than a dozen" and now all the sudden "He passed around a short statement of support, got economists to sign it, and then tacked it to the back of a 15-page plan which they didn't read, to make it seem as if they approved of his idiotic economic ideas."

What about these parts of the story Cyc?

Quote:
For that reason, Gary Becker, a Nobel Prize-winning economist at the University of Chicago, said he definitely supports the plan, even if he is not completely familiar with its specifics.

"I like the main thrust of the plan," he said. "I felt that I could support it without knowing every detail."


Quote:
Likewise, William Albrecht, professor emeritus at the University of Iowa, viewed the plan in general terms. "Overall, I thought [McCain's] economics was better than Obama's," he said.


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John Bethune, dean of the business school at Barton College, called his own decision to sign the letter "a comparative endorsement."

"When I look at both the candidates, McCain's the one I agree with more," Bethune said, citing McCain's stances on taxation and government spending as reasons for his support.


It is laughable the lengths Cyc goes to show his pitiful political insight to his fellow liberals.

Now along comes his sidekick, cicerone imposter... Dragging on and on about stuff he obviously knows nothing about with the patience of an alley rat. It's appalling the lack of insight and intelligence you two have. Absolutely appalling.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 12:17 pm
None of those general quotes indicate that the plan was in fact given to them to peruse before signing, McG; only that the people quoted agree with McCain's general plan. Their signatures however are now being touted as approval for the specifics of the plan, which they didn't read or see.

Face it; the campaign used dishonest tactics to try and get economist support for McCain, who is currently trailing badly on this issue, and they got caught doing it.

Your use of those quotes doesn't invalidate my position; but it does provide for some laughter around my office. Why you try and swim with much bigger fish then you, will never be understood, McG.

Cycloptichorn
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