Obama Gets His Hands Dirty

engineer wrote:

sozobe wrote:

Not a deity though.

None of us supporting Obama have ever said that. .

NO Obama supporters? Zero? Really?

Not a deity though.

None of us supporting Obama have ever said that.

NO Obama supporters? Zero? Really?

Heh...!

Since I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't...

The politically expedient thing for Obama to have done was to throw Wright under the bus long ago, certainly by the time he made his "More Perfect Union" speech in Philadelphia. Instead he gave a thorny, non-soundbite-y, difficult speech in which he refused to throw Wright under the bus.

That was NOT politics as usual.

Then, Wright started either purposely or cluelessly actively sabotaging Obama's campaign. The Moyers interview was pretty good with some problematic moments. The press club appearance had its issues. And by the NAACP appearance things were looking bad.

This was what Wright DID. It wasn't something that Hillary Clinton created or that John McCain created. It was a personal affront to Obama.

So he reacted, quickly and strongly. He still was nuanced, still talked about all the good things his church has done and the wonderful people there. But he wasn't going to let that go unanswered.

All of it is consistent with what he's been saying and writing about throughout.

I may speak for engineer and sozobe when I say that we will wait patiently for you to return with this information.

What's at issue, to me, is white folks discomfort, lack of knowlege and therefore their feeling threatened with the culture of black people and their churches.

candidone1 wrote:

I may speak for engineer and sozobe when I say that we will wait patiently for you to return with this information.

Well, I'm worried about the sweeping generalization though (they always worry me, heh!) -- there might be something from Rama or Roxxxanne or something. Who knows.

I will say that the vast majority of the Obama supporters on this board haven't and wouldn't call him a deity.

Heh...!

Since I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't...

The politically expedient thing for Obama to have done was to throw Wright under the bus long ago, certainly by the time he made his "More Perfect Union" speech in Philadelphia. Instead he gave a thorny, non-soundbite-y, difficult speech in which he refused to throw Wright under the bus.

That was NOT politics as usual.

Then, Wright started either purposely or cluelessly actively sabotaging Obama's campaign. The Moyers interview was pretty good with some problematic moments. The press club appearance had its issues. And by the NAACP appearance things were looking bad.

This was what Wright DID. It wasn't something that Hillary Clinton created or that John McCain created. It was a personal affront to Obama.

So he reacted, quickly and strongly. He still was nuanced, still talked about all the good things his church has done and the wonderful people there. But he wasn't going to let that go unanswered.

All of it is consistent with what he's been saying and writing about throughout.

sozobe wrote:

Not a deity though.

engineer wrote:

None of us supporting Obama have ever said that.

maporsche wrote:

NO Obama supporters? Zero? Really?

I don't recall anyone, other than the anti-Obama crowd referring to him as a deity, a messiah, or anything biblical/supernatural/superhuman.

If there have been any instances where Obama supporters have referred to him as a deity, be them many or few, it should be an easy task to find them for us.

I may speak for engineer and sozobe when I say that we will wait patiently for you to return with this information.

sozobe wrote:

Heh...!

Since I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't...

The politically expedient thing for Obama to have done was to throw Wright under the bus long ago, certainly by the time he made his "More Perfect Union" speech in Philadelphia. Instead he gave a thorny, non-soundbite-y, difficult speech in which he refused to throw Wright under the bus.

That was NOT politics as usual.

Then, Wright started either purposely or cluelessly actively sabotaging Obama's campaign. The Moyers interview was pretty good with some problematic moments. The press club appearance had its issues. And by the NAACP appearance things were looking bad.

This was what Wright DID. It wasn't something that Hillary Clinton created or that John McCain created. It was a personal affront to Obama.

So he reacted, quickly and strongly. He still was nuanced, still talked about all the good things his church has done and the wonderful people there. But he wasn't going to let that go unanswered.

All of it is consistent with what he's been saying and writing about throughout.

This is a good assessment. It was definitely not politics as usual. It was kinda like when Pacino had to finally wack his own brother Fredo in the Godfather. He tried to save him, but in the end, he had to do it because the assh*le left him no other choice.

What's at issue, to me, is white folks discomfort, lack of knowlege and therefore their feeling threatened with the culture of black people and their churches.

Gala wrote:

What's at issue, to me, is white folks discomfort, lack of knowlege and therefore their feeling threatened with the culture of black people and their churches.

Yeah, I agree.

I still don't have a good sense of how representative Wright is. I liked Obama's comments yesterday about how in black churches, people shout, people holler. :-) That's just how it is, not a big deal.

I still don't have a good sense of how representative Wright is. I liked Obama's comments yesterday about how in black churches, people shout, people holler. :-) That's just how it is, not a big deal.

A pastor on Morning Joe this morning was speaking about how Wright was absolutely not representative of the black church or the beliefs of the black community. He said Wrights rhetoric was very 45 year old black Nationalistic and no longer had any place or influence in the black community.

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

A pastor on Morning Joe this morning was speaking about how Wright was absolutely not representative of the black church or the beliefs of the black community. He said Wrights rhetoric was very 45 year old black Nationalistic and no longer had any place or influence in the black community.

Tell that to the 1000's who flock to Trinity every Sunday morning.

well slavery and jim crow is part of the black experience and if nothing else should be used as a comparison tool to show how far the black community has come and be a source of pride IMO but obviously I can't speak for the black community.... being a white devil and all....