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Mon 24 Mar, 2008 10:50 am
My husband has bought into these natural cures. As usual I am a skeptic. I do not believe anyone. This guy Trudeau says for less money you can get natural cures and it will cure all this stuff - disease, cancers, depression and pain. He even will send you the books for free - just pay shipping and handling and to top it off you get his email stuff free (at least for the first month or two).
I am skeptical because no one does anything for free. They do get with the email stuff because it takes months for them to cancel the charges as my husband found out. I do agree that pharmaceutical companies do push things on people on doctors, but he makes it sound as if the doctors are all in it as well with no morals and push drugs when not needed. Seems he is using a scare tactic to sell his natural cures products on people.
I do like the idea of natural products over drugs, however, I also realize that natural products can be bad for you as well and they are not regulated. I mean grass is natural, but I realize if I go out and eat it, it will probably make me sick instead of make me feel better.
Is your husband having some specific problem?
If he's interested in a natural cure for a particular thing, I'm sure he could find all the info he needs by doing the research himself.
I don't know who this guy is, but anything is going to send is not some secret, just something you'd have to learn about by reading.
Trudeau has a quite interesting
criminal history.
Chai wrote:Is your husband having some specific problem?
If he's interested in a natural cure for a particular thing, I'm sure he could find all the info he needs by doing the research himself.
I don't know who this guy is, but anything is going to send is not some secret, just something you'd have to learn about by reading.
Yes and no. He "bought", well paid the shipping and handling on these books a bit ago. I didn't realize he did it, but on a whim and suggestion from a friend of his. Well, since we would all prefer to use natural over drugs in general.
We just found out his brother was diagnosed with bipolar - he is in his 20s and had recently been suicidal and depressed. My husband wants to pull these books out of storage and see what it says.
I'm just concerned hubby could go over aboard on this stuff, in a sense.
This story is in today's
The Guardian
Quote:The quack who puts modern health gurus to shame
Ben Goldacre The Guardian, +
Monday March 24 2008
Making a show for Radio 4 on the history of diet fads, I began to wonder what our modern gurus will end up with, when the cheques are all cashed, and the companies fold. Dudley J Le Blanc was a Louisiana senator in the 1940s, and the greatest quack ever. After a doctor cured his gout with a secret potion, Dudley copied the ingredients to make his own: Hadacol. "I hadda call it something", he would later explain, once he had nothing to lose.
Hadacol was made from B vitamins and alcohol. It cured everything, cost $100 a year for the recommended dose, and the bottles sold in millions.
Le Blanc made no medicinal claims, but pushed customer testimonials to an eager media. He appointed a medical director who had been convicted in California of practising medicine with no licence or medical degree. A diabetic patient almost died when she gave up insulin to treat herself with Hadacol. Nobody cared.
By 1950 sales were more than $20m, with an advertising spend of a million dollars a month. Senator le Blanc used Hadacol's success to drive his political career, and his competitors, the Longs - descended from the democrat reformer Huey Long - panicked. In a moment of genius they launched their own patent medicine, Vita-Long. Suddenly, it was a two quack race.
By 1951 the game was up.
Le Blanc was spending more in advertising that he was making in sales. He sold the company to Yankee investors and, on February 28, shortly before disappearing for a decade facing charges of fraud, he made a television appearance on You Bet Your Life with his friend Groucho Marx.
"Hadacol?" said Marx, "What's that good for?" "Well," said Le Blanc. "It was good for about $5.5m for me last year."
· The Rise of the Lifestyle Nutritionists is on Radio 4 tonight at 8pm.
(The Guardian, 24.03.08, G2 section, page 3)
Trudeau seems to be as good as others before.
So ya think it could be a scam then?
I particularly love this part....
"After serving time for criminal activity in the early nineties, Trudeau partnered with his former cell mate and they joined Nutrition for Life"
A scam? Well to quote from the Guardian:
Hadacol?" said Marx, "What's that good for?" "Well," said Le Blanc. "It was good for about $5.5m for me last year."
I did a thread on this man a few months ago. The general consensus from it is, he is not to be trusted.
A spoonful of vinegar in place of Tums or any other antacid DOES work for heartburn ... Instantly. I awoke to one of his commercials around 5am one morning several years ago and heard this advice. A few days later I had heartburn, tried it and "Voile'".
Can't vouch for everything he says but for years we ate natural things to cure ailments. The American Indians (Amerindians, for Setanta), our great grandparents, and a slew of old people before us that didn't have Glaxo Klein, knew what to do for ailments using natural cures.
One old gentleman I grew up going to church with used karosene on every cut and bruise. Worked.
I'm just sayin', some things may work that this guy is publishing. Some things may not.
I agree with Squinney - some natural products do work, and I'm in favour of them over conventional medicines.
Sometimes it's just the way the herbs and plants are used, Linkat. For example, if you had smoked that grass rather than ate it, I'm relatively confident that you wouldn't have gotten sick.
I don't dispute that some of the cures he mentions work. But, he has other infomercials, on weight loss and how to get out of debt. I will come back with a link or two.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/health/trudeau.html
Here is a long line of consumer complaints about Trudeau.
squinney wrote:Mame wrote:I agree with Squinney - some natural products do work, and I'm in favour of them over conventional medicines.
Sometimes it's just the way the herbs and plants are used, Linkat. For example, if you had smoked that grass rather than ate it, I'm relatively confident that you wouldn't have gotten sick.
Relatively confidant...
Damn - had I known that...maybe I'll have a smoke tonight.
Trudeau and a bunch of other weekend infomercialists should be in jail.
I have come into a copy of Trudeau's first book. I have to say, fifty pages into it, that he is being truthful, thus far. He mentions early on his time spent in prison, noting that at that time in his life, he was no different than the people he is now confronting and exposing. The first chapters are not so much about natural remedies as a diatribe about the tyranny of the FDA, AMA, and the interwoven interests of sponsors of the media, congress and the majority of big money interests. These interests are bent on stamping out the competition; that is, anybody who stands between them and their precious profits. He mentions other fields of endeavor where the same thing happens, but the primary focus is related to natural cures and the relentless drive to turn the public away from them. I wish I had the book on line, so I could cut and paste some of the telling passages. As it is, I have to give the book a thumbs up, because, I have believed the same way Trudeau does about cures and medicine for over fifteen years.
Trudeau complaints are more for his business practices than for the information in his books. Many people get the books at a special price and can't complain about the information in them. If you read them thoroughly and take into consideration this information can be found on the internet or through research then you are paying for the time he spent putting them together.
Yep- he works the angles but many people enjoy his books. His infomercials are intriguing to many people. He also has his books on audio, Stop Smoking Cure on CD, etc etc that you can get for short money when you get the "Natural Cures They Don't Want you to Know About" and "More Natural Cures Revealed" books for the price of shipping alone at $9.95 each.
His newest books are "The Weight Loss Cure They Don't Want you to Know About" and "The Debt Cures They Don't Want You to Know About".
Let me just be very clear though. IF you happen to order on the phone or on the website you should actually take the time to listen to the person selling the items and the information included on the website. If you are not listening or reading all of the information given then how can you go back and complain later on? You allow people to do what you allow them to do.
BTW - the first "Natural Cures" book isn't as good as the second one but, buying both for $19.90 I don't think is going to hurt anyone. You could probably find them in the discount rack at your local bookseller at this point though.
Walter Hinteler wrote:This story is in today's
The Guardian
Quote:The quack who puts modern health gurus to shame
Ben Goldacre The Guardian, +
Monday March 24 2008
Making a show for Radio 4 on the history of diet fads, I began to wonder what our modern gurus will end up with, when the cheques are all cashed, and the companies fold. Dudley J Le Blanc was a Louisiana senator in the 1940s, and the greatest quack ever. After a doctor cured his gout with a secret potion, Dudley copied the ingredients to make his own: Hadacol. "I hadda call it something", he would later explain, once he had nothing to lose.
Hadacol was made from B vitamins and alcohol. It cured everything, cost $100 a year for the recommended dose, and the bottles sold in millions.
Le Blanc made no medicinal claims, but pushed customer testimonials to an eager media. He appointed a medical director who had been convicted in California of practising medicine with no licence or medical degree. A diabetic patient almost died when she gave up insulin to treat herself with Hadacol. Nobody cared.
By 1950 sales were more than $20m, with an advertising spend of a million dollars a month. Senator le Blanc used Hadacol's success to drive his political career, and his competitors, the Longs - descended from the democrat reformer Huey Long - panicked. In a moment of genius they launched their own patent medicine, Vita-Long. Suddenly, it was a two quack race.
By 1951 the game was up.
Le Blanc was spending more in advertising that he was making in sales. He sold the company to Yankee investors and, on February 28, shortly before disappearing for a decade facing charges of fraud, he made a television appearance on You Bet Your Life with his friend Groucho Marx.
"Hadacol?" said Marx, "What's that good for?" "Well," said Le Blanc. "It was good for about $5.5m for me last year."
· The Rise of the Lifestyle Nutritionists is on Radio 4 tonight at 8pm.
(The Guardian, 24.03.08, G2 section, page 3)
Trudeau seems to be as good as others before.
I haven't seen Hadacol since I was a teen. My father loved it and his favorite joke was :
"Why do they call it Hadacol?" A. "Had to call it something"
Thanks for the memory.
Im on a kick to make people aware that many foods and flavorings are suspensions of an ingredient in an alcohol and propylene glycol solvent. Propylene glycol is considered "safe" by F&D(effin"D"). I dont believe it. Propylene glycol, can have a safety concern, just like its deadlier cousin, ethylene glycol. (Both of the glycols are considered antifreezes) > PRopylene glycol is used in large amounts to protect water service lines from freezing in rural areas water supplies. (Also in big use in RV service centers).
If not flushed or if its taken in larger amounts (like in food flavors like vanilla extract) can cause toxicity effects that result from the body converting some of the breakdown products of glycol into oxalic acid, instead of lactic acid , which is produced in our bodies in normal metabolic reactions).
This may sound like bullshit but, stay the heck away from anything with propylene glycol as a solvent. The effect can be liver and or kidney failure from prolonged or extensive use.
An aside , I know, but it fits in this thread because a number of homeopathic extracts can contain propylene glycol as well as alcohol.
You can believe that this **** is safe , or, like me, stay away from any liquid food product that has this **** in its ingredients list.
farmerman wrote:Im on a kick to make people aware that many foods and flavorings are suspensions of an ingredient in an alcohol and propylene glycol solvent. Propylene glycol is considered "safe" by F&D(effin"D"). I dont believe it. Propylene glycol, can have a safety concern, just like its deadlier cousin, ethylene glycol. (Both of the glycols are considered antifreezes) > PRopylene glycol is used in large amounts to protect water service lines from freezing in rural areas water supplies. (Also in big use in RV service centers).
If not flushed or if its taken in larger amounts (like in food flavors like vanilla extract) can cause toxicity effects that result from the body converting some of the breakdown products of glycol into oxalic acid, instead of lactic acid , which is produced in our bodies in normal metabolic reactions).
This may sound like bullshit but, stay the heck away from anything with propylene glycol as a solvent. The effect can be liver and or kidney failure from prolonged or extensive use.
An aside , I know, but it fits in this thread because a number of homeopathic extracts can contain propylene glycol as well as alcohol.
You can believe that this **** is safe , or, like me, stay away from any liquid food product that has this **** in its ingredients list.
Thanks for the heads up. It has taken its place on my long list. One of the major points I hope people take away from a thread like this is, there are quacks on both sides of te aisle.