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What will you like most about the McCain Presidency?

 
 
Magginkat
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 10:05 am
McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam
McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam


http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html

By David Corn

March 12, 2008


John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it.
On February 26, McCain appeared at a campaign rally in Cincinnati with the Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, a supersize Pentecostal institution that features a 5,200-seat sanctuary, a television studio (where Parsley tapes a weekly show), and a 122,000-square-foot Ministry Activity Center. That day, a week before the Ohio primary, Parsley praised the Republican presidential front-runner as a "strong, true, consistent conservative." The endorsement was important for McCain, who at the time was trying to put an end to the lingering challenge from former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, a favorite among Christian evangelicals. A politically influential figure in Ohio, Parsley could also play a key role in McCain's effort to win this bellwether state in the general election. McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide."

The leader of a 12,000-member congregation, Parsley has written several books outlining his fundamentalist religious outlook, including the 2005 Silent No More. In this work, Parsley decries the "spiritual desperation" of the United States, and he blasts away at the usual suspects: activist judges, civil libertarians who advocate the separation of church and state, the homosexual "culture" ("homosexuals are anything but happy and carefree"), the "abortion industry," and the crass and profane entertainment industry. And Parsley targets another profound threat to the United States: the religion of Islam.

In a chapter titled "Islam: The Deception of Allah," Parsley warns there is a "war between Islam and Christian civilization." He continues:


I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.

Parsley is not shy about his desire to obliterate Islam. In Silent No More, he notes?-approvingly?-that Christopher Columbus shared the same goal: "It was to defeat Islam, among other dreams, that Christopher Columbus sailed to the New World in 1492Â…Columbus dreamed of defeating the armies of Islam with the armies of Europe made mighty by the wealth of the New World. It was this dream that, in part, began America." He urges his readers to realize that a confrontation between Christianity and Islam is unavoidable: "We find now we have no choice. The time has come." And he has bad news: "We may already be losing the battle. As I scan the world, I find that Islam is responsible for more pain, more bloodshed, and more devastation than nearly any other force on earth at this moment."

Parsley claims that Islam is an "anti-Christ religion" predicated on "deception." The Muslim prophet Muhammad, he writes, "received revelations from demons and not from the true God." And he emphasizes this point: "Allah was a demon spirit." Parsley does not differentiate between violent Islamic extremists and other followers of the religion:


There are some, of course, who will say that the violence I cite is the exception and not the rule. I beg to differ. I will counter, respectfully, that what some call "extremists" are instead mainstream believers who are drawing from the well at the very heart of Islam.

The spirit of Islam, he maintains, is one of hostility. He asserts that the religion "inspired" the 9/11 attacks. He bemoans the fact that in the years after 9/11, 34,000 Americans "have become Muslim" and that there are "some 1,209 mosques" in America. Islam, he declares, is a "faith that fully intends to conquer the world" through violence. The United States, he insists, "has historically understood herself as a bastion against Islam," but "history is crashing in upon us."

At the end of his chapter on Islam, Parsley asks, "Are we a Christian nation? I say yes." Without specifying what actions should be taken to eradicate the religion, he essentially calls for a new crusade.

Parsley, who refers to himself as a "Christocrat," is no stranger to controversy. In 2007, the grassroots organization he founded, the Center for Moral Clarity, called for prosecuting people who commit adultery. In January, he compared Planned Parenthood to Nazis. In the past Parsley's church has been accused of engaging in pro-Republican partisan activities in violation of its tax-exempt status.

Why would McCain court Parsley? He has long had trouble figuring out how to deal with Christian fundamentalists, an important bloc for the Republican Party. During his 2000 presidential bid, he referred to Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell as "agents of intolerance." But six years later, as he readied himself for another White House run, McCain repudiated that remark. More recently, his campaign hit a rough patch when he accepted the endorsement of the Reverend John Hagee, a Texas televangelist who has called the Catholic Church "the great whore" and a "false cult system." After the Catholic League protested and called on McCain to renounce Hagee's support, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee praised Hagee's spiritual leadership and support of Israel and said that "when [Hagee] endorses me, it does not mean that I embrace everything that he stands for or believes in." After being further criticized for his Hagee connection, McCain backed off slightly, saying, "I repudiate any comments that are made, including Pastor Hagee's, if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics." But McCain did not renounce Hagee's endorsement.

McCain's relationship with Parsley is politically significant. In 2004, Parsley's church was credited with driving Christian fundamentalist voters to the polls for George W. Bush. With Ohio expected to again be a decisive state in the presidential contest, Parsley's World Harvest Church and an affiliated entity called Reformation Ohio, which registers voters, could be important players within this battleground state. Considering that the Ohio Republican Party has been decimated by various political scandals and that a popular Democrat, Ted Strickland, is now the state's governor, McCain and the Republicans will need all the help they can get in the Buckeye State this fall. It's a real question: Can McCain win the presidency without Parsley?

The McCain campaign did not respond to a request for comment regarding Parsley and his anti-Islam writings. Parsley did not return a call seeking comment.

"The last thing I want to be is another screaming voice moving people to extremes and provoking them to folly in the name of patriotism," Parsley writes in Silent No More. Provoking people to holy war is another matter. About that, McCain so far is silent.


David Corn is Mother Jones' Washington, D.C. bureau chief.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 10:10 am
Merci McCain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R2ss--tJ0A

What ever happened to those "Freedom Fries" & other French hating cries from the rabid right?
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 10:17 am
maggie this goes with your video. US ad bashes McCain as 'hero of France'
Published: Friday March 21, 2008

A liberal American group Friday released an advertisement that rails on Republican White House nominee John McCain for backing a US Air Force decision to award a huge contract to Europe's Airbus.

"A message of thanks to John McCain from the French people," says the video ad, which is in French with English subtitles and was issued by the Campaign for America's Future, a self-described "progressive" think tank.

"John McCain, hero of France," reads a banner on the Arc de Triomphe in the opening scene, and later McCain is depicted as wearing a beret and a curly mustache.

"Thanks for helping the US military choose a French company, Airbus. Tens of thousands of jobs for the French and thousands fewer for Americans, ha, ha, ha!" it says.

"It's a great day for France. Long live John McCain and long live France."

The ad was issued the same day as a meeting between McCain and French President Nicolas Sarkozy in Paris.

McCain has been criticized by Democratic lawmakers for backing a legislative change in 2004 that allowed the deal to take place, and the liberal group cited press reports that said his aides had lobbied for EADS to win the deal.

On February 29, the contract to build up to 179 military refueling planes was awarded to Northrop Grumman Corporation and Airbus's parent company the European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS), Boeing's arch-rival in commercial aircraft.

It was a stunning upset for Boeing, until now the sole supplier of air refueling planes to the US military.

Boeing earlier this month officially challenged the decision, a move that temporarily freezes the estimated 35-billion-dollar contract.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 10:52 am
I think that McCain has to face up to the reality that he will never be able to sustain two terms. I question whether he would be able to take the strain of even one term.

IMO with all that is going on with the Democrats, the only way to attract the independents and undecideds is for him to pick a very strong V.P., with moderate leanings. He needs someone who can step into the job in 2012.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 10:57 am
Since the Reverend Rod Parsley is not on McCains campaign staff, and since he doesnt speak for McCain, his comments about Islam are meaningless, nor do they mean anything.

Just like Obama's Rev. Wright, my answer is "so what".
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 11:30 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
I think that McCain has to face up to the reality that he will never be able to sustain two terms. I question whether he would be able to take the strain of even one term.


Two terms? Like the old geezer has a chance at winning in November? History says no chance. The huge Democratic prmary turnout says no chance. Of course, you are probably one of those sheep who think the surge "has worked."


http://pinkdome.com/archives/bush_mccain_400.jpg
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 02:52 pm
The only good I can see is that it will keep Obama the silver tongued snake oil salesman who I distrust out of the seat of power.
McCain IMO is the lesser of two evils.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 03:24 pm
'What will you like most about the McCain Presidency?
100 years in Iraq
Thousands of dead and maimed
Trillions of dollars in debt
A bankrupt nation
Starvation in what was the richest country on the planet
Elections suspended due to national emergency
Martial law
Civil war

Impossible? Look how far we have come!

Hell yeah ..... I can't wait

But of course I won't be here ........ neither will you
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 03:31 pm
Re: What will you like most about the McCain Presidency?
McGentrix wrote:
When McCain is elected this fall, what do you suppose his first 100 days will be like?

Do you think it will be an utter failure like the last Congress was? Completely in effectual?

Or,

Do you think McCain will start out like a tidal wave? Closing Gitmo, reconstituting relationships, vetoing every bill with added pork?

It's obvious, or at least should be, that McCain almost has the election wrapped up. Hillary and Barak are going to do irreparable harm to the Dem ticket.

I think it will be good for the country. McCain is a good, moderate, semi-honest politician. He knows the game and will play it well.


I don't think McCain will be elected this fall.
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hanno
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 03:39 pm
It's crossed my beady-little-mind that he might only go one term - I mean, he's a man of action and purpose, obviously, not one to stick around when he could do some good elsewhere, and I wouldn't put it past him to be able to set things right in four years or less.

Either way, I see him as settling down this 'teach the other group a lesson' mentality that the Dems and Republican's have for each other, and ushering in a new era not unlike the Jacksonian. Heady, willful, probably with levels of personal and economic freedom and wellbeing pushing the limit of marginal returns relative to the communal good. Other countries won't like it, but they'll still have cheese to sniff and in the end they'll be better off too.
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 04:25 pm
Gelisgesti wrote:

100 years in Iraq


We've been in Japan for over 60 years now.

When do you think we've should've gotten out?

We've been in Korea for over 50 years now.

When do you think we should've gotten out?

We've been in Germany for over 60 years now.

When do you think we should've gotten out?

I am not saying that I agree that we should be in Iraq for 100 years; or that we should've necessarily been in Korea, Japan or Germany for as long as we have.

But I think some historical perspective is needed in this discussion of 'how long should we be in Iraq?'
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 04:35 pm
real life wrote:

But I think some historical perspective is needed in this discussion of 'how long should we be in Iraq?'


You don't need historical perspective. Just try taking a stroll outside the green zone. That'll give you a quick lesson in how long you should be in Iraq.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 04:53 pm
What will you like most about the McCain Presidency?
Nothing
Nothing
and one more
NOTHING
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 05:04 pm
You wouldn't like an immediate closure of Guantanamo Bay's "unlawful combatant" facilities?

You wouldn't like a reversal of the U.S. position on torture?

You wouldn't like a repudiation of the unilateralist tone of the Bush administration?

You wouldn't like an effort to get the U.S. party to a new global warming treaty?

I suspect you might, if you could get over yourself.
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rabel22
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 05:40 pm
Noone is going to change what has happened in the last eight years in four, eight, or twelve years weather they are republican or democrat. Change isn't going to happen unless the political parties start trying to govern for all the people instead of the business community. Look where the big money in politics has come from. Clinton, Obama, or Mc cain and all of congress owe their elections to big business. Lots of luck on that change you are all looking forward too.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 05:42 pm
Robert

I am of the opinion American Democracy is a show .
None of the Non American
admire
appreciate
Uphold
Adore this show.
give me a cup of coffee or soup.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:41 pm
Ramafuchs wrote:
Robert

I am of the opinion American Democracy is a show .
None of the Non American
admire
appreciate
Uphold
Adore this show.
give me a cup of coffee or soup.


Of course you enjoy the show, you would be denied a great deal of self-satisfaction without it. You love to hate it.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 09:47 pm
You love to hate it.
I love the innocent Americans.
I hate
the american drama
my name is Rama
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 10:18 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
I think that McCain has to face up to the reality that he will never be able to sustain two terms. I question whether he would be able to take the strain of even one term.

IMO with all that is going on with the Democrats, the only way to attract the independents and undecideds is for him to pick a very strong V.P., with moderate leanings. He needs someone who can step into the job in 2012.


What a silly statement.

The man is not hovering before death's door.

Is it really necessary to produce a list of all of the keenly intelligent and highly effective men and women who have lived beyond their 80th birthday?

"The only way to attract the independents and undecideds..."

Nonsense.

So if we elect Obama and Hillary we can rest assured that they will remain alive for the next 8.5 years, and therefore who they pick as running mates is immaterial. Tell that to the ghosts of JFK, FDR, Garfield, McKinnley, Harrison, Taylor, Harding and Lincoln. That's about 20% of our presidents. No need to worry about who Obama or Clinton choose for VP.

What we really need to worry about is his making it to age 75, because at that point his life expectancy leaps to 85.

Charles DeGaulle, Winston Churchill and Golda Mier all served their countries with distinction well beyond their 70th birthdays - and that was back in the day when 70 was damned old!

Geez, I though agism was running fairly close behind racism, sexism, sexual orientationism, but I guess not.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 11:02 pm
Don't take your eye off the ball, folks. His age is, of course, no concern. The fact that he's a pandering, two faced, seriously confused individual is of great importance.

Given these attributes, he'll likely have no problem adapting to the Republican proclivity for mendacious behavior.

Neither the USA nor the world can afford another debacle like the one of the last 8 years.
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