The Wright thing - how much effect will it have on Obama 08?

Gotta feel for Hillary backers. She let them down big time. Her lies on Bosnia were low down and disgraceful. Pretending she was dodging bullets when video shows her strolling around playing the politician. If she was my candidate I'd be pissed and embarrassed and feeling like a fool. Then her praise of McCain was another disgrace. She should have been talking of his many speeches calling waterboarding torture and his vote against banning torture. But politics and personal ambition got in the way. Also she claims we brought freedom to Iraq which gives Bushie credit where it aint due. We brought death and destruction to Iraq. Then there's Bill who brought racism into the election and finally said McCain and Hillary are the candidates who love America. What a selfish couple. They sure put themselves above the party.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

duckie I have to go dj a charity event for St. Baldricks... just so you know I'm not ducking out (no pun intended)

Ok, thanks for the heads up.

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Ticomaya wrote:

au1929 wrote:
Regarding the alleged whipping of McCain by Obama. From speaking to most of my friends and aquaintances who are lifelong democrats the consensus is that they have no other option but to vote McCain. I predict that the republican machine will show Obama up as a blowhard that has no real accomplishments in his paper thin resume.

I hope your prediction comes true ... in which case Cyclops will be served a great big steaming plate of crow.

Not going to happen, no matter how many racist old Jews in NY threaten not to vote for him.

I think there's a lot of angst amongst Hillary supporters right now, and that's giving you Republicans a little glimmer of hope. I wouldn't get used to it, though. The vast majority of those who say 'I won't vote for candidate xx, if he wins my party's nomination' are in fact talking out their ass. Blustering. It's an emotional time and all.

Cycloptichorn

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racist old Jews....nice... enlightened...carry on dr. goebels

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

The entire Obama campaign as represented here, in the media, on the streets has a tinge of "more than", "better than", "smarter than", "more enlightened than", "more educated than"

You know, I dont know what the **** happened with you. I dont mind the ****-disturbing stuff by itself. Knock yourself out. What I cant get over is how you mix that up in equal halves with these resentful doses of self-pity. I mean, jesus christ - you call us whiners? You're the one who hasnt been able to get over the fact that some bozos or other acted like they were better than you. You're the one who's done nothing but this perpetual Woe Me whine for months now about how those smug, arrogant Obama folks, they talk down to you!

I mean, oh my freaking god - they talked down to you? Since when are you such a pussy? Seriously, since when does a guy like you even give it a second of thought if some college kid dissed you? Let alone let it turn you into some whiny ass with a chip on your shoulder that you take out on any Obama supporter you meet for the next five months?

Half the time you post on Politics now it's to needle the Obama supporters, call them names collectively and stuff. Right? And then whenever the expected blowback comes (big whooping surprise), you spend the other half complaining about how mean and arrogant and smug they are, how they think they're smarter than you and how unfair it all is! It's like a friggin perpetuum mobile of passive agression.

That's not, like, how a self-confident guy acts.. Thats how some passive agressive pity act behaves. Yeah, it's how Hillary behaves. Pulls out all the tricks in the book, but when the other side retaliates it's all, the "big boys" are trying to "bully" me! (literal quote that). But guys who dont give a f*ck aren't perpetually resentful about "how they think they're better than me" - they dont give a f*ck.

This is not about us. It's just BS that somehow all or most Obamaites have been arrogant, smug bastards pretending they're oh so much better than everyone else. F*ck, we know you, we go back a long way - I bet all the other regulars also just bit their tongues the first dozen times you went on about how much we all suck, I know I did. At some point you've just taken the worst couple of examples and decided to project some long-standing reservoir of resentment from god knows where on anybody who supports Obama forever after.

Well f*ck it, I dont know what that is all about. I dont know where you got the inferiority complex from, but it aint from me or O'Bill or FD or Snood or you name 'em, and if it's really Cyclo or Roxx that got to you then god help us. Enough with the drama queen act already. Lemme know when you're up to acting like a guy again.

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Bear made Nimh say f*ck.

hehe

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Michael Dukakis riding a tank in a helmet is an image that his backers including me will have to live with forever. At least he didn't pretend anyone was shooting at him. The image of Hillary ducking bullets in Bosnia was created by her lies. How low can she go? Her dirty campaign will be tough to live down yet her backers attack Obama like he was the one lied us into this war. Such loyalty despite Hillary's lies, racist undertones, praise of McCain who just flip flopped on waterboarding, and her telling us Bushie brought freedom to Iraq. I know many who opposed the war in the first place still support Hillary mainly because she's a woman. And who wouldn't have loved to see a woman President? But Hillary proved to be the wrong woman by far. What kind of freedom did we bring to the women of Iraq or Afghanistan? I feel sorry for my many longtime friends who still cant let go of Hillary. She should have been a shoo in but she blew it using lowdown Rovian style tactics. Losing proves she aint ready to be CIC and Obama beating her with tremendous grassroots organizing and small time fundraising proves he is ready to be the CIC. He beat the big money DNC dinasaurs by organizing from the ground up and bringing record numbers of new, young voters into the Democratic primaries and caucuses. Against all odds he beat the shoo in, establishment candidate. What a leader.

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That's not, like, how a self-confident guy acts.. Thats how some passive agressive pity act behaves. Yeah, it's how Hillary behaves.

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nimh wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
The entire Obama campaign as represented here, in the media, on the streets has a tinge of "more than", "better than", "smarter than", "more enlightened than", "more educated than"

You know, I dont know what the **** happened with you. I dont mind the ****-disturbing stuff by itself. Knock yourself out. What I cant get over is how you mix that up in equal halves with these resentful doses of self-pity. I mean, jesus christ - you call us whiners? You're the one who hasnt been able to get over the fact that some bozos or other acted like they were better than you. You're the one who's done nothing but this perpetual Woe Me whine for months now about how those smug, arrogant Obama folks, they talk down to you!

I mean, oh my freaking god - they talked down to you? Since when are you such a pussy? Seriously, since when does a guy like you even give it a second of thought if some college kid dissed you? Let alone let it turn you into some whiny ass with a chip on your shoulder that you take out on any Obama supporter you meet for the next five months?

Half the time you post on Politics now it's to needle the Obama supporters, call them names collectively and stuff. Right? And then whenever the expected blowback comes (big whooping surprise), you spend the other half complaining about how mean and arrogant and smug they are, how they think they're smarter than you and how unfair it all is! It's like a friggin perpetuum mobile of passive agression.

That's not, like, how a self-confident guy acts.. Thats how some passive agressive pity act behaves. Yeah, it's how Hillary behaves. Pulls out all the tricks in the book, but when the other side retaliates it's all, the "big boys" are trying to "bully" me! (literal quote that). But guys who dont give a f*ck aren't perpetually resentful about "how they think they're better than me" - they dont give a f*ck.

This is not about us. It's just BS that somehow all or most Obamaites have been arrogant, smug bastards pretending they're oh so much better than everyone else. F*ck, we know you, we go back a long way - I bet all the other regulars also just bit their tongues the first dozen times you went on about how much we all suck, I know I did. At some point you've just taken the worst couple of examples and decided to project some long-standing reservoir of resentment from god knows where on anybody who supports Obama forever after.

Well f*ck it, I dont know what that is all about. I dont know where you got the inferiority complex from, but it aint from me or O'Bill or FD or Snood or you name 'em, and if it's really Cyclo or Roxx that got to you then god help us. Enough with the drama queen act already. Lemme know when you're up to acting like a guy again.

I was begnning to think somebody hijacked his account....
I don't know him well, but I know his posting history well enough to second Nimh's sentiments.
I'm afraid now this has been said he's going to begin not giving a f*ck.

Just so you don't look like such a potty mouth, f*ck, f*ck, f*ck.

There....balance.

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f*ck your self pity analogy as well. Nowhere do i resort to self pity. I don't feel any pity for myself because so many of you Obama supporters thinks it elevates you or makes you better. Talk down to me? No, think they're talking down to me and nowhere do I look for pity because of it, I merely report it and challenge it. and you';re right, I don't give a f*ck, a Motherf*ck, or a co*ksucking motherf*ck how any holier than thou f*cks come out of the woodwork to talk to me or what they think of me. There ya go, more balance.

as for me being a pussy you are what you eat, so don't you start acting like a dick. People may talk. :wink:

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Well, there's no question that all this sexually explicit language is a direct result of the Rev. Wright talking about "ridin' dirty" in the White House.

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ouchie...

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Poll shows Obama closing PA gap
Will Bunch reports here and on his blog, Attytood:

For the last week, Barack Obama has been grabbing and then extending a national lead among Democratic primary voters. But it was unclear whether that mojo extended to Pennsylvania, where Hillary Clinton's support -- especially among blue-collar whites -- appeared rock solid.

Now comes the first evidence that Obama is closing the gap in Pennsylvania: a new Rasmussen Reports poll.

The poll of 730 Democratic primary voters in the Keystone State, dated yesterday, shows Clinton's once double-digit lead over Obama is down to just five points -- 47 percent to 42 percent -- with 11 percent not certain who'd they vote for.

The poll suggests that news accounts what Clinton called -- in a meeting with the Daily News editoral board last week -- "a misstatement" over sniper fire during a 1996 trip to Bosnia have definitely hurt the New York senator. Some 40 percent of the Democrats surveyed said the Bosnia flap will be "very important" or "somewhat important" in how they vote here on April 22. The Pennsylvanians also told the pollsters that the economy is by far the No. 1 issue to them, and a whopping 91 percent said that the economy is getting worse these days.

As with previous polls, the numbers suggest resentment from the primary battle may carry over into the fall campaign against Republican John McCain -- even more so if Obama is the nominee. Some 22 percent of Democrats called it either "not very likely" or "not at all likely" that they'd vote for Obama in the fall, while the comparable number for Clinton is 17 percent. Despite that, a narrow margin -- 45-to-43 percent -- believed that Obama has a better chance of winning the overall general election. The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 4 percent.

One note of local interest: Gov. Rendell's aggressive promotion of the Clinton campaign has not done wonders for his standing among his fellow Pennsylvania Democrats. Some 47 percent say he's only doing a "fair" or "poor" job.

Here's some analysis of the numbers from Rasmussen:

Obama recently received a key endorsement from Pennsylvania Senator Bob Casey and has also spent more on television ads than Clinton. If Obama is able to pull off an upset in the Keystone State, it would effectively end the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Obama currently leads Clinton nationally in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. However, while an Obama victory could end the nomination battle, Clinton remains ahead in the state and recently demonstrated her ability to finish strong in the Ohio and Texas Primaries.
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I really hope the Obama camp is able to rein in expectations on this one. This is the same thing that happened in Ohio and Texas -- huge, apparently insurmountable lead by Hillary a month or two out, then Obama steadily closing the gap to the point where it looks like he can actually win. Then it seems like a big deal if he loses, even though originally he was given no chancce. (Leaving aside for the moment the fact that he apparently WON Texas after all...)

So I think that no matter what polls are saying the Obama campaign should remain pessimistic (in public anyway) about their chances in Pennsylvania, and wait until the election to be happy -- if things go well.

Man, I'd love it if he won in PA and this thing could draw to a close by the end of this month. That'd leave <counting on fingers> 7 months to unite the party and focus on McCain. I doubt it'll happen, but it would be SO nice...

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Impossible dream...

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radical vegetarian wrote:

I really hope the Obama camp is able to rein in expectations on this one. This is the same thing that happened in Ohio and Texas -- huge, apparently insurmountable lead by Hillary a month or two out, then Obama steadily closing the gap to the point where it looks like he can actually win. Then it seems like a big deal if he loses, even though originally he was given no chancce. (Leaving aside for the moment the fact that he apparently WON Texas after all...)

So I think that no matter what polls are saying the Obama campaign should remain pessimistic (in public anyway) about their chances in Pennsylvania, and wait until the election to be happy -- if things go well.

Man, I'd love it if he won in PA and this thing could draw to a close by the end of this month. That'd leave <counting> 7 months to unite the party and focus on McCain. I doubt it'll happen, but it would be SO nice...

Latest has Hillary up 5 points.

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Owns a Chia Pet wrote:

Impossible dream...

A lot less impossible than anyone believing you would vote for Clinton.

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snood wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
snood wrote:
...matter of opinion.
Cyclo's assertions that Obama is going to whup McCain, and that old white republicans shouldn't be lecturing anyone on race relations are right on, IMO.

However, I take it you also believe that old Black pastors who have made very profitable careers out of assuring their parishioners that the root cause of all their frustrations in life is the continuing machinations of evil white men, should be so consulted.

QED

As soon as you produce an old black pastor who has "made his career" telling people that "the root of all their frustrations in life is the continuing machinations of evil white men", we can talk about tht.

If you're talking about Reverend Wright, whose absolute worst statements are being played as "his career" and "the philosophy of the church", then you can walk that strawman off the same short pier on which I'd invite you to take a long walk.

Came on this now rather old post while aimlessly skipping around some threads.

Now that Rev Wright has (inexplicably it seems to me) gone to some lengths to reaffirm his view of continued White oppression of Black folks; the U.S. government's involvement in the disenination of the HIV virus; and other like outrages - perhaps you would like to amend this post.

BTW, I thought Obama's unwillingness to disavow Wright in the first round of this thing was rather admirable. I suppose the second round left him with no choice.

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I already did amend it, in another thread. I said I defended Reverend Wright until I saw the performance of his in front of that press event. He seems very much like a man determined to milk his 15 minutes for whatever reason, no matter what the cost.

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