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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 09:32 am
Another submission without citation. Your link goes nowhere. Titel? Author?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 09:32 am
The above link gives the following "answer":

MISSING LINK

Quote:
... supports my contention that the recently established ICC is not needed.


This was already explained to you (on other threads) earlier.

I sincerely ask you, to get informed before writing some beliefs.
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 09:36 am
Naw----I want you to track it down. Laughing
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 09:38 am
All in favour of ignoring anything this person posts as "evidence" from now on?
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 09:40 am
Walter

You merely avoid my question with another impolite answer-----How would you bring Mr Taylor to justice so he can be tried by the ICC?
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 09:45 am
Hobit wrote:

All in favour of ignoring anything this person posts as "evidence" from now on?

Now this is one of the uglier examples of "human nature" see below.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 09:49 am
perception

You'll find the answer to that here:
How does the court works


What about your link, btw?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 09:53 am
Posting excerpts of something without attribution casts doubt on the veracity of the material. Most of seem to understand this.
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 10:00 am
Try:

"Stay the hand of vengeance" by CJ Bass----Princeton University press.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 10:07 am
There, was that so hard?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 10:09 am
Thanks:
Quote:

He [C. J. Bass] concludes: "At a minimum, long-run deterrence of war crimes would require a relatively credible threat of prosecution: that is, a series of successful war crimes tribunals that became so much an expected part of international affairs that no potential mass murderer could confidently says that he would avoid punishment. The world would have to set up tribunals significantly more intimidating than the UN's two current courts for ex-Yugoslavia and Rwanda. The proposed ICC would likely help, but only if it somehow receives political support from the same great powers who have largely neglected the ex-Yugoslavia and Rwanda tribunals for so long."

[from the re-views, here: Book review]
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 10:45 am
This is the only reference to enforcement and apprehension which are my main practical considerations:

Article 59
Arrest proceedings in the custodial State

1. A State Party which has received a request for provisional arrest or for arrest and surrender shall immediately take steps to arrest the person in question in accordance with its laws and the provisions of Part 9.

2. A person arrested shall be brought promptly before the competent judicial authority in the custodial State which shall determine, in accordance with the law of that State, that:

(a) The warrant applies to that person;

(b) The person has been arrested in accordance with the proper process; and

(c) The person's rights have been respected.

3. The person arrested shall have the right to apply to the competent authority in the custodial State for interim release pending surrender.

4. In reaching a decision on any such application, the competent authority in the custodial State shall consider whether, given the gravity of the alleged crimes, there are urgent and exceptional circumstances to justify interim release and whether necessary safeguards exist to ensure that the custodial State can fulfil its duty to surrender the person to the Court. It shall not be open to the competent authority of the custodial State to consider whether the warrant of arrest was properly issued in accordance with article 58, paragraph 1 (a) and (b).

5. The Pre-Trial Chamber shall be notified of any request for interim release and shall make recommendations to the competent authority in the custodial State. The competent authority in the custodial State shall give full consideration to such recommendations, including any recommendations on measures to prevent the escape of the person, before rendering its decision.

6. If the person is granted interim release, the Pre-Trial Chamber may request periodic reports on the status of the interim release.

7. Once ordered to be surrendered by the custodial State, the person shall be delivered to the Court as soon as possible.


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A rogue nation/state such as North Korea or Iraq (before the war) will cooperate with this????????? Pardon me while I chuckle just a bit.

The real problem with all this is: Minor and insignificant states who are the most likely to become rogue states will sign on knowing that they will never cooperate-----if the USA signs on we will be obligated to comply.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 10:52 am
The situation isn't much different from the situation in this country in the early days of the "wild" west - the difficulty Mexico and the US have now with drug fiefdoms along the border. Whole areas which defy the law. But we don't say to ourselves, Hey, those guys aren't obeying the law, so we won't either. Because we're civilized, right? And because the US claims to be civilized, it should comply with the law whether or not every miscreant on the face of the earth complies. Meanwhile, we do what we can not to alienate the rogues, but to bring them into the circle of law and protection. And protection!
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 11:01 am
Meanwhile, we do what we can not to alienate the rogues, but to bring them into the circle of law and protection. And protection!

NOT to alienate the rogues but to bring them into the circle of law and PROTECTION----PROTECTION----If all ivory towers are built on such shaky foundations----liberalism is near extinction. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 11:05 am
Tartarin wrote:
The situation isn't much different from the situation in this country in the early days of the "wild" west - the difficulty Mexico and the US have now with drug fiefdoms along the border. Whole areas which defy the law. But we don't say to ourselves, Hey, those guys aren't obeying the law, so we won't either. Because we're civilized, right? And because the US claims to be civilized, it should comply with the law whether or not every miscreant on the face of the earth complies. Meanwhile, we do what we can not to alienate the rogues, but to bring them into the circle of law and protection. And protection!

An excellent arguement. A similar arguement is made against the use of torture in the current issue of Dissent, by Levinson, Shue,and Weisberg.
The point is that for international agreements, like the ICC to be binding, certain ideas must be treated as if they were universal. The far right seems to be of the opinion that the only universals are the use of force and the profit motive. Nothing else is worth even considering.
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 11:08 am
Please see above------------ Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 11:08 am
Wouldn't want to run into Perc and gang in the middle of the night in a dark alley. Not sure they know what civilization is! Indeed, Perc seems to have no idea what common human effort is.

Just one guy out there, hand on holster, groomed for this world by multiple choice questions. Yee-haw!
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 11:09 am
The " wing person " came right in on que to support the raging lefty partyline.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 11:11 am
Tartarin wrote:
Wouldn't want to run into Perc and gang in the middle of the night in a dark alley. Not sure they know what civilization is! Indeed, Perc seems to have no idea what common human effort is.

Just one guy out there, hand on holster, groomed for this world by multiple choice questions. Yee-haw!


At least, I think, perception's ideas of "law and order" have nothing to do with 'jurisprudentia' as this is taught and practised in the western/civilised worls since centuries.
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 31 Aug, 2003 11:12 am
Hmmm the only "gang"I see here contains only lefties with their usual ad hominem armament.
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