The Lefty Boom

So you will listen to criticism from people from nations who haven't invaded us perc?

Now it's my turn to ask the questions:

Who favors anything left of idealistic solutions, unlimited social programs and entitlements and unconstrained civil liberties to the point of judical and enforcement paralisis? And who favors use of the military to further social work around the world

Who here favors anyting right of pragmatic and common sense solutions that can be sustained by realistic monetary restraint. And also favors a strong military to protect this country from any enemy.

Please read the wording of the options before blowing me out of the water

The wording precludes answers. Neither option exists in reality with those qualifiers.

Kinda like:

Who like mudering children and leans left?

Who likes to be good and leans right?

Did I miss the part where perception answered Craven's and butrflynet's questions?

have no idea what your question means perception, for myself thinking back to '68 many of my friends went to the dem convention in Chicago, i joined Congress on Racial Equality and went to Mississippi on a voter regristration drive. i guess in your mind encourging afro-americans to use their voters right to change their quality of life would be considered raging liberalism. While there, i was arrested and jailed for "riding in a car, after sunset, with a negro" so i guess that makes me a raging criminal as well as a liberal.

You didn't read the wording------I said who favors ANYTHING LEFT OR RIGHT of the options. The actual wording of the options is irrelevant. Anything left or right is what I would consider Extremism and dangerous.
Again these postions are MY perception----I'm certain each of you has a different perception

Sure, my perceptions don't include things like "unconstrained civil liberties".

What do you mean by that? The opposite would be an oxymoron of sorts.

as i said a few posts back perception, i see myself as moderate/centrist slightly left, while you see me as raging lefty. matter of perspective again.

So, the US does not act on "perceived threats" only on threats with factual basis?

http://www.yuksel.org/e/guest/interventions.htm

SOUTH DAKOTA
1890 (-?)
Troops: 300 Lakota Indians massacred at Wounded Knee.

ARGENTINA
1890
Troops: Buenos Aires interests protected.

CHILE
1891
Troops: Marines clash with nationalist rebels.

HAITI
1891
Troops: Black workers revolt on U.S.-claimed Navassa Island defeated.

IDAHO
1892
Troops: Army suppresses silver miners' strike.

HAWAII
1893 (-?)
Naval, troops: Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.

CHICAGO
1894
Troops: Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed

NICARAGUA
1894
Troops: Month-long occupation of Bluefields.

CHINA
1894-95
Naval, troops: Marines land in Sino-Jap War.

KOREA
1894-96
Troops: Marines kept in Seoul during war.

PANAMA
1895
Troops, naval: Marines land in Colombian province.

NICARAGUA
1896
Troops: Marines land in port of Corinto.

CHINA
1898-1900
Troops, boxer. Rebellion fought by foreign armies.

PHILIPPINES
1898-1910(-?)
Naval, troops: Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos.

CUBA
1898-1902(-?)
Naval, troops: Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base.

PUERTO RICO
1898(-?)
Naval, troops: Seized from Spain, occupation
continues.

GUAM
1898(-?)
Naval, troops: Seized from Spain, still used as base.

MINNESOTA
1898(-?)
Troops: Army battles Chippewa at Leech Lake.

NICARAGUA
1898
Troops: Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur.

SAMOA
1899(-?)
Troops: Battle over succession to throne.

NICARAGUA
1899
Troops: Marines land at port of Bluefields.

IDAHO
1899-1901
Troops: Army occupies Coeur d'Alene mining region.

OKLAHOMA
1901
Troops: Army battles Creek Indian revolt.

PANAMA
1901-14
Naval, troops: Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone 1914-99.

HONDURAS
1903
Troops: Marines intervene in revolution.

DOMINICAN REP.
1903-04
Troops: U.S. interests protected in Revolution.

KOREA
1904-05
Troops: Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.

CUBA
1906-09
Troops: Marines land in democratic election.

NICARAGUA
1907
Troops: "Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up.

HONDURAS
1907
Troops: Marines land during war with Nicaragua.

PANAMA
1908
Troops: Marines intervene in election contest.

NICARAGUA
1910
Troops: Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.

HONDURAS
1911
Troops: U.S. interests protected in civil war.

CHINA
1911-41
Naval, troops: Continuous occupation with flare-ups.

CUBA
1912
Troops: U.S. interests protected in Havana.

PANAMA
19l2
Troops: Marines land during heated election.

HONDURAS
19l2
Troops: Marines protect U.S. economic interests.

NICARAGUA
1912-33
Troops, bombing: 20-year occupation, fought guerrillas.

MEXICO
19l3
Naval: Americans evacuated during revolution.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
1914
Naval: Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.

COLORADO
1914
Troops: Breaking of miners' strike by Army.

MEXICO
1914-18
Naval, troops: Series of interventions against nationalists.

HAITI
1914-34
Troops, bombing: 19-year occupation after revolts.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
1916-24
Troops: 8-year Marine occupation.

CUBA
1917-33
Troops: Military occupation, economic protectorate.

WORLD WAR I
19l7-18
Naval, troops: Ships sunk, fought Germany

RUSSIA
1918-22
Naval, troops: Five landings to fight Bolsheviks.

PANAMA
1918-20
Troops: "Police duty" during unrest after elections.

YUGOSLAVIA
1919
Troops: Marines intervene for Italy against Serbs in Dalmatia.

HONDURAS
1919
Troops: Marines land during election campaign.

GUATEMALA
1920
Troops: 2-week intervention against unionists.

WEST VIRGINIA
1920-21
Troops, bombing: Army intervenes against mineworkers.

TURKEY
1922
Troops: Fought nationalists in Smyrna (Izmir).

CHINA
1922-27
Naval, troops: Deployment during nationalist revolt.

HONDURAS
1924-25
Troops: Landed twice during election strife.

PANAMA
1925
Troops: Marines suppress general strike.

CHINA
1927-34
Troops: Marines stationed throughout the country.

EL SALVADOR
1932
Naval: Warships sent during Farabundo Marti revolt.

WASHINGTON DC
1932
Troops: Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.

WORLD WAR II
1941-45
Naval, troops, bombing, nuclear: Fought Axis for 3 years; 1st nuclear war.

DETROIT
1943
Troops: Army puts down Black rebellion.

IRAN
1946
Nuclear threat: Soviet Troops: told to leave north (Iranian Azerbaijan).

YUGOSLAVIA
1946
Naval: Response to shooting-down of U.S. plane.

URUGUAY
1947
Nuclear threat: Bombers deployed as show of strength.

GREECE
1947-49
Command operation: U.S. directs extreme-right in civil war.

CHINA
1948-49
Troops: Marines evacuate Americans before Communist victory.

GERMANY
1948
Nuclear threat: Atomic-capable bombers guard Berlin Airlift.

PHILIPPINES
1948-54
Command operation: CIA directs war against Huk Rebellion.

PUERTO RICO
1950
Command operation: Independence rebellion crushed in Ponce.

KOREA
1950-53
Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats: U.S.& South Korea fight China & North Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in 1950, & vs. China in 1953. Still have bases.

IRAN
1953
Command operation: CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.

VIETNAM
1954
Nuclear threat: Bombs offered to French to use against siege.

GUATEMALA
1954
Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat: CIA directs exile invasion after new government nationalizes U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua.

EGYPT
1956
Nuclear threat, troops: Soviets told to keep out of Suez crisis; Marines evacuate foreigners

LEBANON
1958
Troops, naval: Marine occupation against rebels.

IRAQ
1958
Nuclear threat: Iraq warned against invading Kuwait.

CHINA
1958
Nuclear threat: China told not to move on Taiwan isles.

PANAMA
1958
Troops: Flag protests erupt into confrontation.

VIETNAM
1960-75
Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats: Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; 1-2 million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in 1968 and 1969.

CUBA
1961
Command operation: CIA-directed exile invasion fails.

GERMANY
1961
Nuclear threat: Alert during Berlin Wall crisis.

CUBA
1962
Nuclear threat: Naval blockade during missile crisis; near-war with USSR.

LAOS
1962
Command operation: Military buildup during guerrilla war.

PANAMA
1964
Troops: Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.

INDONESIA
1965
Command operation: Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
1965-66
Troops, bombing: Marines land during election campaign.

GUATEMALA
1966-67
Command operation: Green Berets intervene against rebels.

DETROIT
1967
Troops: Army battles Blacks, 43 killed.

UNITED STATES
1968
Troops: After civil rights activist King is shot; over 21,000 soldiers in cities.

CAMBODIA
1969-75
Bombing, troops, naval: Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.

OMAN
1970
Command operation: U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.

LAOS
1971-73
Command operation, bombing: U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.

SOUTH DAKOTA
1973
Command operation: Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas.

MIDEAST
1973
Nuclear threat: World-wide alert during Mideast War.

CHILE
1973
Command operation: CIA-backed coup ousts elected Marxist president.

CAMBODIA
1975
Troops, bombing: Gas captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.

ANGOLA
1976-92
Command operation: CIA assists South African-backed rebels.

IRAN
1980
Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing: Raid to rescue Embassy hostages; 8 Troops: die in copter-plane crash. Soviets warned not to get involved in revolution.

LIBYA
1981
Naval jets: Two Libyan jets shot down in maneuvers.

EL SALVADOR
1981-92
Command operation, troops: Advisors, over-flights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash.

NICARAGUA
1981-90
Command operation, naval: CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution.

LEBANON
1982-84
Naval, bombing, troops: Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim and Syrian positions.

HONDURAS
1983-89
Troops: Maneuvers help build bases near borders.

GRENADA
1983-84
Troops, bombing: Invasion four years after revolution.

IRAN
1984
Jets: Two Iranian jets shot down over Persian Gulf.

LIBYA
1986
Bombing, naval: Air strikes to topple nationalist gov't.

BOLIVIA
1986
Troops: Army assists raids on cocaine region.

IRAN
1987-88
Naval, bombing: US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.

LIBYA
1989
Naval jets: Two Libyan jets shot down.

VIRGIN ISLANDS
1989
Troops: St. Croix Black unrest after storm.

PHILIPPINES
1989
Jets Air cover provided for government against coup.

PANAMA
1989-90
Troops, bombing: Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed.

LIBERIA
1990
Troops: Foreigners evacuated during civil war.

SAUDI ARABIA
1990-91
Troops, jets: Iraq countered after invading Kuwait; 540,000 Troops: also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel.

IRAQ
1990-?
Bombing, troops, naval, blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes: 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; no-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south, large-scale destruction of Iraqi military.

KUWAIT
1991
Naval, bombing, troops: Kuwait royal family returned to throne.

LOS ANGELES
1992
Troops: Army, Marines deployed against anti-police uprising.

SOMALIA
1992-94
Troops, naval, bombing: U.S.-led United Nations occupation during civil war; raids against one Mogadishu faction.

YUGOSLAVIA
1992-94
Naval: NATO blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.

BOSNIA
1993-95
Jets, bombing: No-fly zone patrolled in civil war; downed jets, bombed Serbs.

HAITI
1994-96
Troops, naval blockade against military government. Troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup.

CROATIA
1995
Bombing Krajina: Serb airfields attacked before Croatian offensive.

ZAIRE (CONGO)
1996-97
Troops: Marines at Rwandan Hutu refuge camps, in area where Congo revolution begins.

LIBERIA
1997
Troops: Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.

ALBANIA
1997
Troops: Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.

SUDAN
1998
Missiles Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.

AFGHANISTAN
1998
Missiles Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.

IRAQ
1998-?
Bombing, missiles: Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.

YUGOSLAVIA
1999-?
Bombing, missiles: Heavy NATO air strikes after Serbia declines to withdraw from Kosovo.

YEMEN
2000
Naval: Suicide bomb attack on USS Cole.

MACEDONIA
2001
Troops: NATO Troops: shift and partially disarm Albanian rebels.

UNITED STATES
2001
Jets, naval: Response to hijacking attacks.

AFGHANISTAN
2001
Massive U.S. mobilization to attack Taliban, Bin Laden. War could expand to Iraq, Sudan, and beyond. (The first bombing began on October 7, 2001. Several Afghan cities come under aerial attack. The story continues).

Bye again ----I don't have the time to waste being even more thilly than I have just been.

You all might think about what really constitutes left of center or right and what then becomes extremism and then we must decide whether that extremism is dangerous or not . I have it pretty well established in my mind-----have you?

yes

Note the deafening silence from Mr. "Go USA" after that wonderful list!

yes, and I have seen extreme in this government - it is sad!

There was silence? I heard the screen door closing yet again after a more then superficial examination of rhetoric is called for.

It is getting to be a rather annoying tactic and I find myself questioning the investment of my time to interact with folks who like to stir up the pot until the wind shifts direction then flee.

It is usually just a short lived promise, I find it a tactic of my 12 year old; lasts maybe 15 minutes

raging lefty's disturb the bliss.

You just answered your own questions in the above statement. Each person has their own personal location of where the pinpoint is for center. Just because you have the pinpoint located in one spot does not mean it is located in that same spot for everyone else.

The location of each individual's center pinpoint is in constant movement as we mature and gather life's experiences. Because the center point is constantly changing, so are the fringed edges of "left" and "right."

Butrflynet, logic does not belong on this thread

Killer list there, butrflynet.

I guess one of the things I've learned here (am I allowed to speak? achh, i will anyway), is that some people ask questions, state their positions and respond to questions. Others state their positions, ask questions and avoid answering questions asked of them. It's hard to take the non-responders seriously.

I particularly appreciate people who not only ask and answer, but provide background for their positions.