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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2003 06:56 pm
If you want a thread called "Chastising Perception" all we have to do is change the name of this thread. It's got it all. I think it's good for the nervous system to laugh at yourself once in a while. Very Happy
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2003 07:02 pm
Then Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc must burst into hysterics eveytime they think of themselves! Rolling Eyes
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2003 07:06 pm
Lola wrote:
. . . lefties are pretty upset about what we perceive to be a rapidly diminishing protection of our civil rights, and it is Bush and his puppeteers who are behind this terrible loss. ).


So are quite a few of us somewhat to the right of center, Lola.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2003 07:38 pm
Roger,

This is such good news to me. I feel better already.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2003 07:50 pm
roger wrote:
Lola wrote:
. . . lefties are pretty upset about what we perceive to be a rapidly diminishing protection of our civil rights, and it is Bush and his puppeteers who are behind this terrible loss. ).


So are quite a few of us somewhat to the right of center, Lola.

Believe it or not, that is wonderful news! I would venture (as someone left of centre) that we liberals do tend to annoint ourselves with the oil of selfrighteousness a litte too much sometiomes,and forget that htere are human beings in both camps. I often have you and Sofia to thank for reminding me at this forum! Smile
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 1 Sep, 2003 07:52 pm
Amen
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 07:02 am
An article on John Bolton in the NY Times this morning may help to explain why so many wish to have
our own "regime change.."The Bush Admin'sChief Thug

Quote:
To his supporters, Mr. Bolton is a truth teller, a policy innovator who is liberated enough from the department's clubby confines to speak his mind, even at the risk of upsetting diplomatic strategies. He is also said to be a favorite of the president.

"He loves to tussle," said Jeane Kirkpatrick, a former ambassador to the United Nations and an admiring former co-worker. "He may do diplomatic jobs for the U.S. government, but John is not a diplomat."

To his detractors, Mr. Bolton is a policy zealot who runs roughshod over the rules of diplomacy and undercuts his colleagues.


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Mr. Bolton, 54, would be at home in Donald H. Rumsfeld's Pentagon or in the Bush White House. But the State Department is under the command of the more moderate and circumspect Colin L. Powell.

Some friends suspect that Mr. Bolton may be there as a representative of the president's more unilateralist impulses and perhaps as a check on Mr. Powell's authority.

"I don't think the president intended to turn over the State Department to the secretary of state," Dr. Kirkpatrick said.

To one House Republican aide, Mr. Bolton is a breath of fresh air. "State Department functionaries are oftentimes gripped by a fear of doing something wrong," the aide said. "John Bolton isn't like that."

But a Senate Democratic aide views him as a subversive force against diplomacy. "It's Orwellian to me that he's in the position he's in," the aide said. "He's the antithesis of who you'd want in that job."


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Mr. Bolton, who has been in and out of government for two decades, most recently emerged from the ranks of the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative research center with ties to the White House. He graduated from Yale Law School, where he struck up a friendship with Clarence Thomas, the future Supreme Court justice.

Mr. Bolton's induction into politics occurred when, as a teenager, he worked for Barry Goldwater's presidential campaign in 1964. After law school, Mr. Bolton established a relationship with Senator Jesse Helms, the North Carolina Republican. In the 1980's he worked on a campaign to counter voter registration efforts that were undertaken on behalf of blacks and organized labor.

He worked for the Agency for International Development under President Reagan, then was named assistant attorney general under Edwin Meese, where he struggled to beat back inquiries into matters including the Iran-contra scandal.

Then, as the assistant secretary of state for international organizations, Mr. Bolton in 1989 blocked Palestinian admission to the World Health Organization and Unesco.


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On at least two other occasions, intelligence services have stepped in to quiet Mr. Bolton, in one case saying testimony he was preparing was unverifiable.

Mr. Bolton seems undeterred and appears to revel in his role as outsider on the inside.

In an interview last year with The New York Times, he was asked about conflicting signals from the administration on North Korea. He strode over to a bookshelf, pulled off a volume and slapped it on the table. It was called "The End of North Korea," by an American Enterprise Institute colleague.

"That," he said, "is our policy."


The wonderfuly sad irony of this administration: a diplomat who happily pushes for war. Rolling Eyes
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 08:30 am
The End of North Korea does not advocate war with DPRK as the means to the demise of that state; quite the opposite, in fact.
Personally, I think the greatest Irony is that the Left, in its march away from the Center, sees its own failings as the results of an insidious Rightist Plot. I bemoan this primarily for the negative impact it has on the two-party system. Still, these things are cyclical, and in a generation or so, The Left may be expected to stage a comeback (that's about how long it took the Republicans to get over Goldwater). For the meanwhile, the Leftists are reduced to complaining about the effects of their own efforts to render themselves less sociopolitically relevant to The Electorate At Large.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 09:05 am
A thesis with which i find it ridiculous to agree, in that it assumes that the left complains of plots by the right, without taking notice of the institutionalized and strident paranoia of the extreme right--to which moderate conservatives make no audible objection . . .
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 09:28 am
I see the left - and with it the whole debate - as having moved to the right! Perspective is all, I guess.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 09:43 am
You must be overlooking the objections of the Moderate Conservatives, Set. For example, neither The Patriot Acts nor the Faith Based Initiatives have universal support on The Right ... in fact both are the source of a good deal of divisiveness.
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roger
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 09:50 am
I'll object to the extreme left, Setanta. It's up to you to squawk about the extreme right.

The Patriot act and Faith Based Inititives infringe on the 4th and 1st amendment. Other security measures are in opposition to due process. These do not seem good positions for conservatives to lock into.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 09:59 am
Oddly enough (because it's a rare bi-partisan agreement here) those issues are the ones from this administration that I have the least qualm with.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 10:13 am
Setanta's supposed to squawk about the extreme right? But then he'd have to be somewhere on the left - and he is so NOT - at least on the global scale of left.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 10:14 am
Well, Timber and Roger, i know that there are sane types such as yourself out there; and Roger, i object to the extreme left as well. My problem is the deafening silence from the conservatives when the reactionaries begin their rants. I'm sure that such a case could be made about the rants of the left wing fringe as well.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 10:17 am
My objections to both are based not in principle (in time of war, certain restrictions on liberty are not only appropriate, but prudent, and as to Faith Based Initiatives, a more efficient utilization of available resources is in concept a wise move), but in the implementation methodology being employed ... I feel both are kneejerk reactions as currently structured, obviating the benefits to be derived through thoughtful, proactive integration of both into the contemporary sociopolitical structure.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 10:20 am
I could take Timber more seriously if the Right wasn't the party of Coulter, Fox, Limbaugh, Horowitz, Wolfowitz, Rummy, Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft, and other Fascists. But, I am suppose to overlook this littel group and assume the moderate Right has any voice Exclamation

When America as a whole is so significantly far Right as a whole. too much right of center is exteme right.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 10:37 am
i had always assumed i was a moderate centrist (slightly left) until these political threads where i seem to have been tagged as a raging lefty. i can live with the label without qualm but i find it a bit silly.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 11:37 am
I'd happily be a ragin' lefty, but as i've already mentioned, i'm afraid i'd break a sweat . . .
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2003 11:46 am
Most of the so-called 'lefties' here from USA in the center or right of the center ... at least on the global scale of left, to quote ehBeth. :wink:
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