This story will go on for a long time...and there will be a lot of mental health people involved and tons of analysis. I think the guy cracked under his own pressure.
For those of you posting like this is some kind of blood sport just think of some of the stupid things you've done. I know he's a public figure and your going for the jugular comes with the territory, but the utter glee is over the top.
Gala wrote: I know he's a public figure and your going for the jugular comes with the territory, but the utter glee is over the top.
No glee here. I happily voted for him. I had great hope for his policies and what looked like honest dedication to doing the right thing. I think the glee is coming from the other party and all the crooks he prosecuted over the years. I do however like Patterson and think he will do just fine as the new Gov.
Mame,
Every time a prominent elected official is revealed as a major hypocrite (definitely) and a criminal (possibly), I may certainly make a judgment about him or her. Spitzer's a creep, and part of the reason he's a creep is that he puts an unwanted burden on his family.
In general, my attitude is live and let live. But this fellow, in my mind, deserves criticism for behavior that I would find very difficult to forgive.
If you don't care to judge him, that's cool with me. I am merely expressing my opinion.
Also, as Spitzer is a person who made his rep as an investigating Attorney General, I would say that he is very stupid to have used shell-game financing for his use of an easily-tracked escort service.
So, call me judgmental, but I hold that the man is both a sleaze and a fool.
Miklos7 wrote:Also, as Spitzer is a person who made his rep as an investigating Attorney General, I would say that he is very stupid to have used shell-game financing for his use of an easily-tracked escort service.
So, call me judgmental, but I hold that the man is both a sleaze and a fool.
He made his bones in no small part by destroying prostitution rings. He got elected to office on the platform the he is mister clean and he was going to take a broom to Albany. Neither he nor anyone else can call his habit of using prostitutes "just sex". He misrepresented who he is to the citizens who elected him. He leads a double life that was a 180 degree turn from his public persona, a persona he created and perpetuated even though it was a lie.
Miklos7 wrote:Spitzer's a creep, and part of the reason he's a creep is that he puts an unwanted burden on his family.
I agree with this.
I think the problem starts with his crusading ways-- had he just been as corrupt as all the others then they would've looked the other way. Let's see, it's ego, arrogance, pressure, image, and danger.
Marriage and family life can be excruciatingly dull.
Gala wrote:Miklos7 wrote:Spitzer's a creep, and part of the reason he's a creep is that he puts an unwanted burden on his family.
I agree with this.
I think the problem starts with his crusading ways-- had he just been as corrupt as all the others then they would've looked the other way. Let's see, it's ego, arrogance, pressure, image, and danger.
Marriage and family life can be excruciatingly dull.
It is interesting that that almost all of the pundants say that his problem was egotism, the it shows that power corrupts. However, the take that he is an adrenaline junkie and that he was getting his bump with prostitutes makes a lot of sense.
Koch, former NYC mayor, just said that he thinks Spitzer went ga-ga once he became governor. Besides the prostitute, he seemed to go out of his way to make enemies of important people he would need to succeed. His arrogance was palpable.
At least the 3 daughters and mother have each other to help one another sort the mess out. They can unite and monopolize the bathroom as revenge. He's going to be paying for the rest of his life.
Miklos7 wrote:Mame,
Every time a prominent elected official is revealed as a major hypocrite (definitely) and a criminal (possibly), I may certainly make a judgment about him or her. Spitzer's a creep, and part of the reason he's a creep is that he puts an unwanted burden on his family.
In general, my attitude is live and let live. But this fellow, in my mind, deserves criticism for behavior that I would find very difficult to forgive.
If you don't care to judge him, that's cool with me. I am merely expressing my opinion.
Also, as Spitzer is a person who made his rep as an investigating Attorney General, I would say that he is very stupid to have used shell-game financing for his use of an easily-tracked escort service.
So, call me judgmental, but I hold that the man is both a sleaze and a fool.
Miklos, as I said in my earlier post, I understand the distaste and judgement for the guy as a POLITICIAN. What I don't agree with is judging him as a Husband. Their private life should be private and who knows what's going on in that home?
Mame,
I could argue that Spitzer has taken a good piece of his private life public--and that part, and the way in which it became public, is open for judgment.
However, I agree with you that the only person fully able to judge him as a husband is Mrs. Spitzer.
There are certainly women who, although they have other options (Silda Wall Spitzer is a very fine attorney, and she could earn big money in the city; also, she could sue for damages and a percentage of the governor's future income), choose to stay in a marriage despite their husband's infidelities. Hillary Clinton would be a prominent example. Who knows what goes on in her home--or in her mind? Only she.
Here she is...
Possibly not safe for work.
I feel negatively about him, on the whole, but I can separate and distinguish his private personna from his role as a public official.
This negative opinion wasn't something that was influenced by current situation as I had hopes for his progressive policies breaking the log-jam of legislation in Albany; however, with his being a "**** steamroller," in his own words, he received no cooperation from anyone. In additon to his lawbreaking, what I object to, as a NY resident, is what he continued - the paralysis of NY State Gov't.
I worked "across the street" in Albany from where he was coronated ..err ahhh..inaugurated about 14 months ago. I soured on him as learned about the particulars of his arrogance and his UNWARRANTED 'slash-and-burn techniques as a former AG as many innocent people were hurt along with the necessary policing of Wall Street and insurance and securities industries.
Addressing the issue of the morality of prostitution should not be a germane part of this discussion. The fact is that he broke the law and as chief constitutional officer he should be within the law. For this reason, he was forced to step down. As a lawyer, he was quite aware of the implications of breach of the law (Mann Act). Time will tell what other illegal financial issues there were that were connected to this.
FWIW, prostitution, and other victimless activities, should be made legal, anyhow. Who cares what goes on behind closed doors....not I. I just want the elected officials to obey laws as I have to, and when they don't obey the law, they should be punished like I would be if I broke the law.
I will admit to taking glee and enjoying the skewering of this holier-than-thou politician who aided and abetted the same criminals he claimed to be prosecuting. This is the same human roadblock of a politician who is blocking my State (and it's economic impact) from passing progressive or ANY legislation because of his animus ... a personal war and vendetta with this political rivals, the Republican opponents Bruno and Silver. FWIW, I vote Democratic, typically.
I am so glad that Lt. GovernorPatterson is taking over now, as I wrote elsewhere earlier. He has the respect of BOTH sides of the legislature. He will get things done and budgets passed in time so as to not cost taxpayers more money and angst.
This has been one messed up dysfunctional EMBARRASSING State government, as so many historically are in the northeast (NY, MA, CT, RI, & NJ).
My deepest sympathies extend to his wife and his 3 daughters!
sozobe wrote:Plus it seems like what he's actually getting nabbed on is "structuring" -- trying to hide where money was going and why.
He should have consulted with Reagan's band of crooks to see how it should be done. Oh, I just remembered, they weren't all that good themselves, but there were plenty of pardons to go around. Is this what people mean when they talk about hypocrisy?
All this talk of law breakers and law breaking. It stops just after the governor level, right. Those higher up the political ladder get a free ride, even when they're responsible for heinous, unspeakable crimes.
Talk about hypocrisy.
Quote:I'm a bit concerned about the Big Brother aspect of how this was discovered. His 'cash' habits (withdrawing cash from his personal bank accounts) triggered the investigation. CNN did a piece this morning on federal laws requiring financial institution to perform routine searches on All Of Us to determine if we are making unusual financial transactions involving cash. Unusual is apparently defined as atypical to the individual -- and it's all 'because of 9/11 and the way life has to be in these times'. um.... this sorta pisses me off.
It's been going on for years. You better behave yourselves.
I've been told that there's a chip in the new £20 notes so you can be tracked by a satellite.
I think it was Gladstone who used to screw his secretary on the Cabinet table. For free.
According to the NY Times, this is Spitzer's paramour. Kinda hard to believe she would demand those kind of dollars. Although one never knows maybe she provided him with a little something extra.
If you demand it.. SOMEONE will pay it..
Yeah well that's true, just demanding a higher price says you must be worth it.
We all pay for it one way or another...