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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jun, 2010 07:23 pm
@okie,
Another youtube you should enjoy, pom. Have the courage to watch and listen to the whole thing.
JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 08:15 pm
@JamesMorrison,
A bit more info on the Dodd and Frank financial deform bill or more aptly the Frank(ly) obvious Dotage bill. Remember my lament over the passage of bills whose actual effects seem mysterious to those who sponsor and author them? Well a question a reasonable and rational adult might raise to the authors (of the bill) is: "Why, given the obvious disregard for pesky specifics in the bill, did this take so long to pass and why, again, the all nighter sh*t? Perhaps it is just me, so check it out at TWS : http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dodd-frank-overreach An excerpt:
Quote:
The bill, as it then stood [3:00 a.m. Friday morning], had a net cost of $20 billion. Dodd and Frank wanted to make the bill revenue neutral. So, at 3:00 a.m., they slipped into the bill a provision that wasn’t in the legislation that passed the Senate or the House. This provision--Title 16 of the bill--would require the Financial Stability Oversight Council (FSOC) to raise approximately $19 billion for a Financial Crisis Special Assessment Fund by assessing (i) "financial companies" with $50 billion or more in assets, and (ii) "any financial companies that manage hedge funds with $10 billion or more of assets under management."

Leave aside the fact this would ...[a bunch of stuff relative to the economy and disincentives to investment therein but not to my point-JM]


What’s amazing about this "assessment" is how arbitrary it will be, and how contrary it is to any recognizable principle of the rule of law in taxation. No rate for the tax is specified, as with a normal tax. No principle of equal treatment for similar entities is there to limit the Council’s arbitrary discretion. Rather, the Council is to review a bunch of vague criteria, including “the extent of the company’s leverage,” “the extent and nature of the company’s transactions and relationships with other financial companies,” “the nature, scope and mix of the company’s activities,” culminating in #13, “such other risk-related factors as the Council may determine to be appropriate.” The Council will weigh these criteria as it pleases, hit upon a figure for each firm, and simply impose it as an “assessment” on that firm.
needless to say Congress is attempting to abdicate its responsibility to agents not answering to U.S. voters, not unlike EPA carbon regs or the FCC redefining the internet as a telephone sevice or Interior Secretaries imposing moritoriams on specific types of oil drilling.

One more thing. Those who have followed the source of the financial meltdown from the CRA to the bailouts will note that this financial deform bill never even mentions Fannie and Freddie. I wonder why? Of course, there is progress, of sorts, here. If there are questions to be answered in the future about this bill we need only seek out the bill's authors who are named.

JM
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2010 10:17 am
Dave Poff wrote:

http://73wire.com/2010/06/democrats-disclose-act-what-you-need-to-know-why-you-need-to-care/
Democrats’ DISCLOSE Act: What you Need To Know, Why You Need To Care
Posted on June 28, 2010 in: Featured News

There is much behind the story of what got us here; Democrats historically have painted a picture of the GOP being evil and corrupted by the big money from the big donors that they would have you believe are the root cause of all that has gone wrong with America. From “big oil” to Wall Street to rich people of all shapes and sizes, Democrats want to decide for us who can be trusted and who can not.

Article Comments (9) There is much behind the story of what got us here; Democrats historically have painted a picture of the GOP being evil and corrupted by the big money from the big donors that they would have you believe are the root cause of all that has gone wrong with America. From “big oil” to Wall Street to rich people of all shapes and sizes, Democrats want to decide for us who can be trusted and who can not. Of course, anyone paying close enough attention will quickly realize that organizations such as CodePink, MoveOn, the now-defunct ACORN, and the SEIU (read “big” labor) have been in the back pockets of Democrats for a generation…so the real issue here is not THAT a lot of money is at stake when Politicians run for office…it’s which stack of cash is clean and which is dirty…and who DECIDES.

In the case of the recently-passed DISCLOSE Act, the lights have finally been turned on in America’s kitchen and the Democrat roaches are ducking for cover (along with the 2 Republicans who voted alongside them- Cao and Castle). It’s a fairly short bill compared with others (such as the Health Care Reform debacle) and even those not readily inclined to understand “lawyer speak” should be able to traverse its sections and “wherefores” sufficiently enough to understand its basic intent…what is less obvious is the impact it will have on our ability to directly participate in the Political process…OUR political process…to the extent our Constitution had always intended.

This bill will allow big organizations to continue donating big dollars to Politicians, so long as their membership is over 500,000 strong, they have at least one member residing in every state, and they meet certain tax-exempt criteria. It also prevents large dollars from being donated by individuals and small groups and… in my opinion worst of all…it extends to 90 days prior to an election all the limitations to free speech we were guaranteed in the Constitution would never be abridged… and just barely “got back” when the Supreme Court struck down parts of the ill-conceived McCain-Feingold bill when it rendered its Citizens United decision:

‘(B) in the case of a communication which refers to a candidate for any other Federal office, the period–
‘(i) beginning with the date that is 90 days before the earliest of the primary election, preference election, or nominating convention with respect to the nomination for the office that the candidate is seeking; and
‘(ii) ending with the date of the general election for such office.

This is outrageous. But it is instructive as well. We can no longer engage in discussions about candidates and their campaigns and their policy positions during the period 90 days prior to their primary/caucus/conventions and running all the way through the November election. In the case of President and Vice President it’s 120 days. Not only are we not allowed to speak…we’re not allowed to speak during the WHOLE of the campaign and election cycle when people are actually paying attention enough to consider whether they’ll even bother going to the polls! Democrats have the most to gain here…it is the Democrat party “we, the People” mean to teach a lesson to in 2010, and they’re trying to fend off the revolt that’s already being amassed against them before it’s too late.

On the grounds of having our freedom of speech revoked, alone, this bill should not be signed into law. I’m moderately optimistic that, even if Obama DOES sign it, the Supreme Court will quickly strike it down. Until then, you only need to understand 2 simple points; we’re not allowed to speak with our mouths or keyboards or checkbooks, and unless we belong to an organization with membership sizes only the big Labor Unions currently enjoy, we’re not even allowed to participate in a campaign…other than to cast a vote in the primary and the General election.

Understand this as you consider the implications for Tea Party movements, people looking to become Precinct Committeemen, or work directly FOR a campaign; don’t bother (according to the Democrat intentions here) because your voice won’t count, your money’s not welcome, and your opinion is no longer suitable for public purview…it has been outlawed.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2010 12:37 pm
Quote:
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men
who signed the Declaration of Independence?


Five signers were captured by the British as traitors,
and tortured before they died.

Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.
Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army;
another had two sons captured.

Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or
hardships of the Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes,
and their sacred honor.

What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.
Eleven were merchants,
nine were farmers and large plantation owners;
men of means, well educated,
but they signed the Declaration of Independence
knowing full well that the penalty would be death if
they were captured.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and
trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the
British Navy. He sold his home and properties to
pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British
that he was forced to move his family almost constantly.
He served in the Congress without pay, and his family
was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him,
and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer,
Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown , Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that
the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson
home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General
George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed,
and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed.
The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying.
Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill
were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests
and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his
children vanished.


So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and
silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price
they paid.

Freedom is never free!
okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2010 10:46 am
@ican711nm,
Quote:


What kind of men were they? ....
....
... men of means, well educated,

In other words, rich white Europeans, evil guys, ican, the kind of guys that made this country unfair according to Obama.

Incidentally, I was reading a book by Greenspan last night, and he has a chapter in his book about South America and how it has languished from failure to mediocrity, to modest success, depending upon the pendulum of power from leaders that recognize the virtues of capitalism, to those leaders that he referred to as "populists." He generally described populists as those people that take advantage of people's unhappiness over the disparity of wealth, and promise redistribution of wealth, through government intervention into property rights and nationalization of industries. Populism often incorporates facets of Marxism and / or Fascism, as Hugo Chavez has done in Venezuela, and as Greenspan points out in his book, such policies invariably bring a downturn in productivity and ultimately the economic well being of the countries and all of their citizens. As I was reading the book, it struck me that what Greenspan was describing in Latin America has now happened in America, as Obama fits the description of the populists that he described down there. In fact, it probably explains why Obama appears to admire folks like Chavez, and they probably share many of the same ideas and beliefs. All of this points out why America will fail under his leadership or lack thereof, in many ways, including economically, if Obama is allowed to institute more and more of his ideas, and if he should somehow get elected again, we are in bigger trouble in that regard.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2010 11:03 am
@okie,
This might be more relevant if Greenspan wasn't the prime architect of policies which lead to our giant bubbles and economic downturn.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2010 11:50 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Do you have any evidence at all for your claims about Greenspan, cyclops? First of all, we know that economies are cyclical, this is just basic common sense. As to "giant bubbles," which are you talking about? If you are talking about the housing bubble, this has already been debated extensively, but I believe as do many others, including I think Greenspan, that the government's policies and Fannie and Freddie, loom large in the cause of that, and that was not the fault of Greenspan. One of the principle points that Greenspan makes throughout his book is that artificial intervention into free market economies will always bring about unintended consequences. This is just basic fact, cyclops, and after reading Greenspan's life story, I am even more impressed by the vast knowledge the man accumulated, in regard to economics, and this fact to him would be like a kindergartner learning their colors, it is so basic as to be a waste of time to try to explain to people like you that seem not to get some of these basics. Greenspan impresses me as being almost like a sponge in terms of the knowledge that he absorbed and accumulated throughout his life and study of economics.

Aside from your diversion of the point that I made, Greenspan is right on the mark about Latin America. What made it more interesting to me was it took me back to my corporate days back in the late 70's and early 80's, wherein one of the projects I was assigned was to assess the potential of certain mineral exploration possibilities in Latin American countries. It was a very tough project, indeed, and one of the primary considerations or conclusions of the report I submitted was the political situation and stability in each country, which overshadowed the actual geological potential in many ways, and which was actually more difficult to predict in terms of future impact on any exploration efforts we might have initiated. In other words, what profit would there be in working out a deal to develop mineral assets in a country down there if they were only to be nationalized at some later time? Fortunately, it was not my decision to make, but my job was only to provide significant input to the decision makers.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2010 12:07 pm
@okie,
Quote:
If you are talking about the housing bubble, this has already been debated extensively, but I believe as do many others, including I think Greenspan, that the government's policies


Dude. Who do you think was the prime architect of the gov'ts policies? Who do you think kept interest rates so artificially low for years?

C'mon, Okie. You need to do more research into this stuff before posting.

Cycloptichorn
xris
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2010 01:17 pm
@okie,
Amazing bit of reverse psychology , I have seen this silly propaganda spewed out on many occassions. Its like all propaganda it avoids the truth. It avoids the fact that the Nazis openly opposed communism and socialism as it was expressed. It banned communism and socialism, it classified its members as mentally impaired . It had a workers party but only for those it chose suitable to represent the Nazis party. Unlike communism it encouraged the middle classes and included them in its political structure. Very nice try but Nazis socialism only resemble democratic socialists in only one vague distorted word. Just like Bush and the republicans represent the free market economy.
okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2010 03:59 pm
@xris,
Not reverse psychology, but it is reverse from your false indoctrination and leftist mindset. The truth is liberating, xris, try it. Here is what the great statesman Winston Churchill had to say about Communists and Nazis, neither of which he cared much for, and both of which he considered to be relatives of each other. I think also that his statement regarding socialism would apply to all socialism, whether it be a nationalistic form as Nazism was, or an international form of it as communism strives for. By the way, the Democrats certainly do not represent the free market economy, in fact they are adversaries of it.

"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law and particularly to deny him the judgement of his peers is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist"

" Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy."

.
okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2010 04:19 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Dude. Who do you think was the prime architect of the gov'ts policies? Who do you think kept interest rates so artificially low for years?

Perhaps, and Greenspan himself has admitted that to an extent, however how about this, which indicates that Greenspan also recognized another huge problem that nothing was done about, despite efforts by Republicans that were opposed by Democrats.
"On April 6, 2005 Greenspan called for a substantial increase in the regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac: “Appearing before the Senate Banking Committee, the Fed chairman, Alan Greenspan, said the enormous portfolios of the companies — nearly a quarter of the home-mortgage market — posed significant risks to the nation's financial system should either company face significant problems."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Greenspan

Cyclops, I don't think low interest rates are bad as long as the market dictates that only credible loan applicants are considered for home loans, and I think that would have been the rule of the day if the market had not been corrupted by the influence of Fannie and Freddie.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2010 04:36 pm
@okie,
I see okie.. so you are for more regulation of the banking industry?
okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Jul, 2010 09:20 pm
@parados,
You don't see anything. I am for the government to get out of the loan business. However if the Democrats are going to insist upon getting their grubby little hands in the home loan business, then yes, there should be some sound and reasonable business practices put into place. Call it regulation or call it good management, but it needs to be done right if done at all. My first choice is to get the government out of it, because the government has not shown itself capable of running any business efficiently. One exception historically might be national defense, but thats all.
xris
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jul, 2010 03:56 am
@okie,
You may not agree with my politics but that does not give you right to say my politics are false or that the are the same as the Nazis. Authoritarian regimes are similar but not the principles they either do or don't abide by. Showing the advertising techniques of a particular era does not conclude they are selling the same product. This bizarre effort to conclude or convince us that communism and the nazis creed are the same is farcical, if not down right stupid. They opposed each other in every conflict that occurred. Spain, Yugoslavia to name just two. Where they stand comparison is in the rulers abuse of power, not in their reasoning.

Republicans or this idea that modern capitalism stands for free trade is total nonsense. America under every Republican administration have imposed embargoes and restrictions by constant introductions of foreign trade regulations. America is one of the hardest markets to import into due to its legislative restrictions. It was the republicans that subsidized American industry, damaging scores of European industries. The steel industry of the UK was decimated by this Republican protectionist attitude. As for your silly rhetoric about democratic socialism I will treat it with the contempt it deserves. By the way big letters do not make the point any clearer nor does it make it more valid, so please stop this childish affliction.
xris
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jul, 2010 04:17 am
@okie,
The loan business and its dramatic failure was the result of Republican Bush , recent history you appear to have conveniently forgotten.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2010 03:41 am
I just stumbled across this article, and I found it interesting.

http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/1110/15240840/FDR_rated_best_president_in_survey_of_238_scholars/full

The article is an AP story.

Quote:
LOUDONVILLE, N.Y. (AP) -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt is being ranked the top president in U.S. history by 238 scholars surveyed by Siena College.

Roosevelt has topped each of the five presidential scholar surveys conducted by the Albany, N.Y.-area college since 1982. Theodore Roosevelt came in at No. 2 in the survey released Thursday, followed by Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

Scholars ranked the 43 presidents on attributes such as integrity, intelligence, leadership and communication, as well as their accomplishments.

Lincoln's beleaguered successor, Andrew Johnson, was rated the worst president.


Several of you on the left have claimed that Bush was rated as the worst president ever, and apparently that is not true.
He ranked 39th, with 3 dems and 1 repub ranked below him.

Bill Clinton is ranked 13th
Obama is ranked 15th (but I dont think he should be since his term isnt over yet)
Reagan is ranked 18th

I dont know if it will work, but here is a link to the roadrunner.com slideshow of how the presidents ranked

http://www.rr.com/news/gallerypresidents

Some of the rankings did surprise me.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2010 10:28 am
@okie,
Quote:
You don't see anything. I am for the government to get out of the loan business. However if the Democrats are going to insist upon getting their grubby little hands in the home loan business, then yes, there should be some sound and reasonable business practices put into place.

So.. the way for the government to get out of the loan business is to regulate private companies that aren't owned by the government? You aren't making much sense here okie. Fannie and Freddie were NOT government owned or run. They were private companies traded on the stock market. You are arguing the government should have run them at the same time you are arguing the government should not be running them. Which is it?
JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2010 02:39 pm
@okie,
That Greenspan kept the cost of money too low for too long is well accepted hindsight. At some point we will probably all be able to look back and say the same thing of Ben Bernacke (or, worse, his successor). It is notoriously hard for the Fed to predict the exact correct moment to reign in the money supply by increasing its rates. This is not news to anyone. Add this to the fact that the pressure for easy money has both a political and Wall Street imperative to its nature. Increased Fed rates make government borrowing more expensive thereby necessitating the increase in the federal deficit or ditto in tax rates. More expensive money slows capital investment on Wall Street thereby putting a cap on stock prices in addition to other business realities that slow the economy. So the Fed is reluctant to slow the economy too soon, especially in the latest case of the last recession which we are slowly coming out of (at least according to the latest growth figures).

In a 'pure' market system a Fed letting us "stay too long at the fair" might produce cycles but they would not have the whip saw effect that we have seen them produce in the last 20-30 years. The difference is explained by the ever increasing involvement of government in the economy. The source of the latest financial meltdown is rooted in legislation adopted in the Carter administration known as the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act) which was originally passed to encourage banks to loan to locals and to end the practice of 'redlining' *. This well intentioned law was then used by leftist groups such as ACORN** to force local banks to drop discriminatory practices against certain members of the community. The arm twisting was facilitated by another government agency's regulation power over the banks and their ability to expand their businesses. As good as this sounds, however, one of the discriminatory practices the banks had to cease was due diligence towards the ability of the lendees to actually pay back the loan. But with securitization of the loans and Fannie and Freddie given increasing latitude to buy up the mortgages by the comedy team of Dodd-Frank, Americans (and the world) were well on their way to the great recession.

This explanation leaves out many details but some say the banks or Wall Street greed was a contributing factor. The truth is greed was not so much a contributing factor as it was, and is and will always be, a constant. The main causal factor was not human behavior which investors wisely include in their calculus, it was government actions that promoted such behavior to the point of a bursting bubble. Let's face it; if we want to reduce the unintended consequences of government intervention perhaps we should tax it. After all, when you tax something you get less of it. However, we could just simply insist on smaller government with the happy side effect of less government intervention.

Quote:
I was assigned was to assess the potential of certain mineral exploration possibilities in Latin American countries. It was a very tough project, indeed, and one of the primary considerations or conclusions of the report I submitted was the political situation and stability in each country, which overshadowed the actual geological potential in many ways, and which was actually more difficult to predict in terms of future impact on any exploration efforts we might have initiated.


One could ask what effect Sarbanes-Oxley has had on the similar analysis of those who would start businesses in the U.S. but then the significant decrease in IPO's tells us something. But even more so, what would your analysis yield to inform your superiors regarding the business/political climate formed from the present U.S. administration's demonstrated politics? The administration's motto to business has been amply demonstrated: "If you are not at the table, you are on the menu”.

But even the Business Roundtable has started seeing the folly of trying to appease the liberal anti-business Obama Administration. For those on this thread who wish to employ the old "the other party was worse/just as bad argument you surely can see the beauty of limiting their influence, via governmental powers, to a minimum.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Community_Organizations_for_Reform_Now

JM
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2010 05:00 pm
re MysteryMan,
okay, W. isn't rated as the all-time worst, he's just securely lodged in the worst decile, firmly down in the bottommost 10%, worse than anyone in the last eighty years. I can accept that.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2010 05:48 pm
@parados,
They are GSE's, parados, which makes them different than private companies. So when you say they are not government owned or run, that is extremely misleading in my opinion, and naive as well. Where have you been?
 

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