AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@okie,

You did change the subject.

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@ican711nm,

We are very tired of your ignorant, misinformed posts. The AMerican right has always stood for racism, repression, elitism. If the right stands for liberty, why do those cloacas around the country ban the use of line drying in people's yards?

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

We are very tired of your ignorant, misinformed posts. The AMerican right has always stood for racism, repression, elitism. If the right stands for liberty, why do those cloacas around the country ban the use of line drying in people's yards?

Conservatives stand for liberty. Democrats have been the party of racists, repression, and elitism. And what in the world are you talking about in regard to "cloacas" banning line drying? What or who is a "cloaca", and where is line drying banned? Some of your statements are absolutely amazing, pom!

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@ican711nm,

ican the only change I might propose to your scale might be shifting nazism and fascism to between socialism and communism, rather than to the left of communism. I am not sure about it, but it seems that nazism and fascism does incorporate some capitalism, as does socialism, whereas pure communism involves the state running all commerce. In Nazism and Fascism, the State allows some capitalism, as long as it is for the benefit of the state and very heavily regulated by it. Mussolini's brand of Fascism in fact was referred to as the "Third Way," which denoted a hybrid form or combination of Communism and Capitalism.

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@okie,

Do you ever discuss politics face to face with anyone? Do you dare to say out loud what you post here? Your completely ahistorical view, aphilosophical view of what the left and right are in America today and what they have been historically, world-wide surely must inspire smirks.

BTW, the verb in your second sentence is incorrect.

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@okie,

Can you use a dictionary?

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Can you use a dictionary?

Yes I do, but it sheds little light on your incoherent post. You need to put your word usage into context as you intend, because otherwise what you said makes no sense. Most importantly, please cite where line drying of clothing has been banned, and who banned it.

By the way, your posts are getting more bizarre by the day. If you are going to make bizarre claims, you need to be prepared to support them with actual evidence, pom.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Do you ever discuss politics face to face with anyone? Do you dare to say out loud what you post here? Your completely ahistorical view, aphilosophical view of what the left and right are in America today and what they have been historically, world-wide surely must inspire smirks.

BTW, the verb in your second sentence is incorrect.

If you wish to start picking on grammatical and spelling errors here, I don't think a hyphen is appropriate between "world" and "wide." I think it can either be spelled as two separate words or as one word without a hyphen. Also, I think your second sentence is poorly constructed, but if left as is, I would place another comma after "worldwide." To really fix your statement, it would need rewording completely. Besides, it is a false statement anyway, which you have absolutely no evidence to support.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

ican the only change I might propose to your scale might be shifting nazism and fascism to between socialism and communism, rather than to the left of communism. I am not sure about it, but it seems that nazism and fascism does incorporate some capitalism, as does socialism, whereas pure communism involves the state running all commerce. In Nazism and Fascism, the State allows some capitalism, as long as it is for the benefit of the state and very heavily regulated by it. Mussolini's brand of Fascism in fact was referred to as the "Third Way," which denoted a hybrid form or combination of Communism and Capitalism.

I agree!

There is of course another scale which we can use to rank leftists: the number of people they mass murdered. That scale supports your position too. The communists murdered tens of millions , while the nazis mass murdered millions, and the fascists murdered hundreds of thousand.

LEFTISM~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.[/white]RIGHTISM
communism nazism fascism socialism statism democratism conservatism libertarianism anarchism

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@ican711nm,

Ican, I think your scale makes alot of sense now for lots of reasons. I would comment that socialism can vary from very mild to very severe, and the most severe form of it is communism I think. I also think we are already living under a mild form of socialism in this country right now, primarily due to programs like Social Security and Medicare. The negative effects of socialism would increase as the degree of socialism increases.

I also find it interesting how you mention the scale also approximately measures the numbers of mass murders. That makes sense, because as more and more control becomes necessary to institute more Statist and Communist policies, the more inefficient the economy becomes and the more power is necessary to maintain Statist power and the power of those that are running it. Fortunately I don't think we are in any immediate danger in this country of going that far left soon, but it is apparent that we need to reverse the trend to the left so that something like that would not happen a decade or two down the road.

One other observation that I have long found interesting: Extreme leftists commonly give lip service to and use democracy, freedom, and liberty of free societies to promote their ideas and elect their chosen leaders, but after gaining power, they often use corrupt elections or outright sham elections, or no elections at all, to retain their power, example of this in progress now is Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. So looking at the situation as it currently exists in this country, Obama and his staunchest followers, plus many of his unknowing dupes would like to use organizations like ACORN to rig elections to increase and maintain their current foothold in government. I think they had plans or still do to use the Census Bureau to rig things to their liking. It is also apparent that the Whitehouse has people working on who are the true Obamabots out there and they will offer people jobs or pull lots of strings to rig who they want to run and win in Congress, so that Congress will be a puppet of Obama in the future. We have seen examples of this lately. The motto is "the end justifies the means." The Democratic Party has lost all remnants of any ethics or moral code, except as I said, the end justifies the means. The country is truly at a crossroads, wherein the population needs to see the light and return good and honest conservative people into government to right the ship. If we do not, the future will not be rosy for our beloved country.

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@okie,

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dupes would like to use organizations like ACORN to rig elections

There is no evidence whatsoever that ACORN rigged any election, anywhere, period. This is just yet another bullshit allegation coming from your side, Okie, that cannot be substantiated with fact.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

True. Happily they weren't involved in vote counting. However they were involved in voter registration efforts, and there is lots of anecdotal evidence that they were knowingly involved in large-scale fradulent voter registrations.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

True. Happily they weren't involved in vote counting. However they were involved in voter registration efforts, and there is lots of anecdotal evidence that they were knowingly involved in large-scale fradulent voter registrations.

Yes, but you do realize that the fraud was perpetrated on them by crooked employees who were turning in false registrations for money, and not the other way around, correct?

The most you could say is that they did not diligently review the thousands of submissions that they received...

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Would you apply the same gentle and forgiving standard to BP ? After all it is very likely the explosion, well failure and leak all resulted from the incompetence or negligent behavior of some employees.

The fact is that our laws make corporations (and Acorn is a corporation) liable for the errors and the crimes donee by their employees - particularly when, as in the case of Acorn, they are widespread and systematic enough to establish either management complicity or gross negligence.

I think you know that you are lately going to great lengths to rationalize and excuse wrongful actions by the current administration and its supporters that are in several cases far worse than things for which you severely criticized the last administration.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Would you apply the same gentle and forgiving standard to BP ? After all it is very likely the explosion, well failure and leak all resulted from the incompetence or negligent behavior of some employees.

The fact is that our laws make corporations (and Acorn is a corporation) liable for the errors and the crimes donee by their employees - particularly when, as in the case of Acorn, they are widespread and systematic enough to establish either management complicity or gross negligence.

I think you know that you are lately going to great lengths to rationalize and excuse wrongful actions by the current administration and its supporters that are in several cases far worse than things for which you severely criticized the last administration.

Well, ACORN has nothing to do with the current admin at all. So I don't even know why you would mention that.

More importantly, however, your comparison is not a valid one. ACORN paid their employees for some registrations which were clearly fraudulent - which is a problem and one that they deserve to be criticized for. And it cost them money to pay for these fraudulent registration, they did not RECEIVE money for them.

And what was the result of this? Was any election affected by these fake registrations in any way? The answer is no. It isn't as if people were showing up and voting in Des Moines as 'Mickey Mouse' and 'Kobe Bryant.'

BP, on the other hand, skimped on their diligence in order to MAKE money. They did so out of greed. Their actions lead to a gigantic environmental disaster which is going to really **** the Gulf for years.

There is no valid comparison between the two situations whatsoever; I reject your comparison.

Regarding your last sentence, when this Admin lies us into war and institutes a comprehensive torture policy for people they don't like, you let me know. Maybe there will be some equivalence then.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

You are once again selectively reading what I wrote and as well have your facts wrong again.
(1) My reference was to "the current administration and its supporters". ACORN is indeed a supporter.
(2) ACORN was indeed paid by the government for its voter registration services. None of us knows how many fradulent registrations excaped detection and how many unlawful votes were cast as a result of ACORN frauds. . The probability that the numbers were zero is very small.

Instead of imprisioning suspected terrorists the current administration simply murders them and sometimes families and associates using the latest remote controlled drones - all in larger numbers than those imprisioned in Gitmo. Do you make a moral or legal distinction here?

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

You are once again selectively reading what I wrote and as well have your facts wrong again.
(1) My reference was to "the current administration and its supporters". ACORN is indeed a supporter.

ACORN does not support any particular candidate. If you researched them more, you'd see this.

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(2) ACORN was indeed paid by the government for its voter registration services. None of us knows how many fradulent registrations excaped detection and how many unlawful votes were cast as a result of ACORN frauds. . The probability that the numbers were zero is very small.

ACORN has (was) never paid by the government per registration they did. Their services were contracted to get registrations in areas where they were historically low.

It is neither ACORN's duty nor fault if people vote fraudulently as a result of false registrations. They are not legally liable for them in any way, and I reiterate that there is zero evidence that any fraudulent registrations processed by them affected any election in any manner.

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Instead of imprisioning suspected terrorists the current administration simply murders them and sometimes families and associates using the latest remote controlled drones. Do you make a moral or legal distinction here?

Yes, I do - it is far, far better to kill enemies than it is to lock them up and torture them.

Cycloptichorn

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Acorn has perpetrated election fraud by registering voters multiple times, some of whom are dead or never existed.

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

Acorn has perpetrated election fraud by registering voters multiple times, some of whom are dead or never existed.

That is not election fraud, Ican. That is voter registration fraud. There is a significantly legal and moral difference between the two.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

That is not election fraud, Ican. That is voter registration fraud. There is a significantly legal and moral difference between the two.

Cycloptichorn

The legal difference is slight - only a mater of the specific act. Both are felony crimes against the same federal statute.

Please explain the significant moral difference.

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