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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2010 01:31 pm
Here is more evidence that the Odem (i.e., Obama democrats) are lying thieving gangsters working to reduce our Liberty under the rule of law, reduce our Constitutional Government, and reduce our Capitalist Economy.

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From the Desk of Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton:

“ACORN HQ is wkg (working) for the Democratic Party”

This was just one of many shocking statements made to federal investigators by witnesses, including campaign workers for Project Vote, an ACORN affiliate, according to documents we obtained recently from the FBI.

The documents relate to the 2007 federal investigation and arrest of eight St. Louis, Missouri, ACORN workers for violation of election laws and voter fraud. They include handwritten notes from FBI investigators interviewing, among others, canvassers working with Project Vote, which, as we now know, is virtually indistinguishable from ACORN. Here are the “highlights” from the FBI handwritten notes:
• [ACORN] Told employees not to talk to the FBI. “FBI trying to intimidate you”
• Fraudulent cards:
o To cause confusion on election day to keep polls open longer
o To allow people who can’t vote to vote.
o To allow to vote multiple times.
• Project Vote will pay them whether cards fake or not — whatever they had to do to get the cards was attitude.
• Constantly threatened staff instructed on what to say to FBI
• “Poverty pimpin” (sic) ACORN
• ACORN HQ is wkg for the Democratic Party.
• PV [Project Vote] pays ACORN $6.00 per card…Said “You treat the cards like (cash) $”
• Some [names] went right from the phone book and made up the rest.
• Canvassers: homeless, volatile, drug users, drunks…
• Anyone who was against PV (Project Vote) or ACORN’s goals “right wing”
• She thought if she used a completely fake name it would be less like ID theft…“Yeah, it’s against the law, I know.”

In addition to the handwritten notes, the documents also include copies of the arrest warrants, criminal case cover sheets and court documents. In April 2008, by the way, all eight ACORN employees involved in the scandal pled guilty to voter registration fraud.

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• Internet, Bingo, Art Classes For Jailed Illegal Immigrants
• Court Upholds Day Laborer Law

As you may recall, in March 2010, Judicial Watch obtained a separate batch of FBI documents detailing federal investigations into alleged ACORN corruption and voter registration fraud in Connecticut prior to the 2008 presidential election. The FBI and Department of Justice initiated investigations. And the story was much the same in Connecticut as it was in Missouri. However, in the case of Connecticut, the Obama Justice Department, while noting that ACORN had engaged in “questionable hiring and training practices,” closed down the investigation in March 2009 claiming ACORN broke no laws.

Despite disinformation to the contrary, ACORN isn’t going away. A report on a new book suggests that ACORN will lie low until after the November elections and come back under another name. Its leadership is unapologetic about its proven corruption.

These documents clearly demonstrate the need for a national criminal investigation by the Obama Justice Department into ACORN. And so we have to wonder: Is Attorney General Holder doing nothing because of Obama’s close connections to ACORN and Project Vote? Read these documents and tell me, what other explanation can there possibly be for the scandalous inaction?

Mexican Government Border Incursions on the Rise According to New Documents Uncovered by JW

A few weeks ago, Mexican President Felipe Calderon had the gall to criticize Arizona’s tough new illegal immigration law from the well of Congress before a joint session. Maybe he should have taken some time to explain why Mexican government officials, including members of the Mexican military, continue to flood across the border and attack U.S. Border Patrol agents.

On March 22, 2010, we received records from Customs and Border Protection (CBP) concerning Mexican government incursions and encounters along the U.S. border. The documents were incomplete and included huge gaps in the data, but nonetheless indicate an increase in the number of incursions in 2008 and 2009. Our analysis of the data shows:
• 76 Mexican Government incursions from January 2008 to December 2009 (data missing from February 2009)
• 50 Mexican Government incursions in 2008 alone, which is double the number of incursions from the previous year
• 528 assaults against CBP agents from January – June 2008
• 11 assaults against National Guard agents with CBP from January – June 2008

By comparison, CBP statistics we previously obtained confirmed 25 incursions in Fiscal Year 2007. And overall, Judicial Watch has documented 226 Mexican government incursions between 1996 and 2005.

In addition to the incursion data, the CBP also records the number of tunnels discovered along the border which are allegedly used for smuggling and human trafficking. In 2008 alone, CBP discovered 25 of these tunnels. Overall, between 1990 and March 2009, CBP discovered 103 tunnels along U.S. borders — one along the U.S border with Canada and 102 along the U.S. border with Mexico.

(If you want to get an idea of the gravity of the human trafficking problem on the Southern border, check out some of Judicial Watch’s investigative work in Phoenix, widely considered the “kidnapping capital of the U.S.” by clicking here. As you’ll see, Mexican drug cartels and gangs are kidnapping unsuspecting illegal aliens and keeping them holed up in drop houses in the suburbs of Phoenix, the nation’s fifth largest city, so they can extort more money from their hostages.)

Now, as I mentioned, the most recent batch of documents obtained by Judicial Watch from the CBP is missing large amounts of data. Through FOIA, Judicial Watch requested incursion and encounter reports from January 2008 to present. However, CBP provided full statistical reports for the first six months of 2008 only. The remaining reports only include the numbers of incursions. Moreover, data for February 2009 is missing entirely. We’ve already filed an appeal with CBP to obtain the missing information.

But even with incomplete information, the documents clearly show that President Obama and the federal government continue to be derelict in securing the nation’s southern border. These new government documents depict a chaotic and dangerous situation for our nation’s Border Patrol agents — and for border states such as Arizona.

As I’ve said time and time again in this space, granting amnesty to illegal aliens, which is the centerpiece of Obama’s immigration reform, will only make matters worse. And we simply cannot allow the situation on the border with Mexico to continue to deteriorate.

Previous Mexican government incursion documents obtained by Judicial Watch describe incidents involving shots fired on both sides of the border, unmarked helicopters invading U.S. airspace, drug smuggling, and confrontations between U.S. Border Patrol agents and members of the Mexican military. Agents of the Mexican government violate our sovereign border on a regular basis, and something needs to be done about it.

More Trouble for Pelosi: Judicial Watch Obtains New CIA Documents Regarding Congressional Briefings on Enhanced Interrogation Techniques
Late last Friday, Judicial Watch received 504 pages of declassified “Top Secret” CIA memoranda detailing congressional notifications and briefings on enhanced interrogation techniques (EITs) and detention operations. Judicial Watch got its hands on the documents thanks to a court order stipulating that all CIA documents related to EIT briefings for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other members of Congress be turned over to JW by April 15th. (Better late than never.)

Our investigations team is still reviewing the documents but here are a couple of highlights we have uncovered so far.

First, I want to call your attention to a “Classified Statement for the Record” by General Michael Hayden, then-Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on April 12, 2007:
At the entrance to an office in CIA’s Counterterrorism Center is a sign and a reminder: “Today’s date is September 12, 2001.” We make no apologies for this attitude or for the lawful and legitimate actions we have taken to counter al-Qa’ida. And let me be clear, our enemy is still potent and able to attack us here and overseas…

…Al-Qa-ida’s only obstacle to attacking us again is our continued assertive effort to stop them. CIA’s detention and interrogation program remains critical to our ability to sustain this effort and protect the American people from another attack. As the President stated in his 6 September 2006 speech to the nation on “The Creation of Military Commissions to Try Suspected Terrorists,” “…the most important source of information on where the terrorists are hiding and what they are planning is the terrorists, themselves.”

This squares with other documents we previously received from the CIA, including a June 1, 2005, CIA report entitled, “Detainee Reporting Pivotal for the War against Al-Qa’ida,” which stated: “Detainee reporting accounts for more than half of all HUMINT [Human Intelligence] reporting on al-Qa'ida since the program began…” This fact was omitted by later versions of the report for some reason. However, all versions of the report concluded: “One of the gains to detaining the additional terrorists has been the thwarting of a number of al-Qa'ida operations in the United States and overseas.”

In other words, the consensus among intelligence officials seems to be that EITs work. And one of the nation’s top intelligence official says we’re more susceptible to attack. Hayden concludes his testimony with the warning that not having the ability to use enhanced interrogation techniques would allow terrorists to “withhold critical, time-sensitive, actionable intelligence that could prevent an imminent, catastrophic attack. In essence, we could be back to a pre-9/11 posture.”

Thanks to President Obama’s banning of enhanced interrogation techniques, that’s where our nation is today — at increased risk of a catastrophic terrorist attack.

Now to the question everyone has been asking, what did House Speaker Nancy Pelosi know regarding the use of EITs and when did she know it? You may recall that Pelosi admitted she was briefed by the CIA in 2002, but denies she was ever told EITs were being used at the time.

In this most recent batch of documents, Judicial Watch obtained a never-before-released memo by the Office of Inspector General asking that very question. (In fact, the subject header for the memo reads: “Document/File Review Related to CIA Notification Meetings with Nancy Pelosi About the Use of Harsh Interrogation Techniques Against Detainees.”

Despite the provocative headline, much of the most critical information was redacted from the document. However, the memo does conclude: “…Pelosi probably was briefed twice in 2002, first in April 2002 after Abu Zubaydah’s capture and probably again in September 2002 after Agency officers began interrogating the detainee.”

And what was covered?
“During the years subsequent to [redacted] record of the briefing of Pelosi in September 2002, Directorate of Operations/National Clandestine Service (DO/NCS) officers continued to say in documents and [redacted] messages that Pelosi and others on the Intelligence Committees had been briefed or ‘fully briefed’ during September 2002.”

Now, given that Abu Zubaydah was subjected to EITs, the term “fully briefed” suggests at least that the use of EITs, including waterboarding, was included in the discussion with Pelosi.

Of course, we would have a much clearer understanding of the precise nature of the briefings were it not for the redactions. Let me show you what I mean. One section of the OIG memo states: “Regarding the content of the 4 September 2002 briefing for Pelosi, Goss, [redacted] message and cable indicated that he, Rodriguez, [redacted] provided information about [redacted].” By withholding this information, the Obama administration covers for Pelosi.

Still, the preponderance of evidence seems to support the CIA’s contention that Pelosi was made aware of the use of EITs. And that she lied about it.

New York Rep. Peter King came to the same conclusion. Congressman King told The Washington Times: “Everyone I have spoken to who were on the [House Intelligence] Committee says that she was certainly aware of what was going on.”

What a scandal it is that our nation’s Speaker of the House of Representatives, third in line for the presidency, would lie about such an important national security matter. We hope these new documents can be used to hold her to account for her big lie.

We shall lawfully remove the Odem from our federal government.

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morell
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2010 04:29 pm
Ican wrote:

As you may recall, in March 2010, Judicial Watch obtained a separate batch of FBI documents detailing federal investigations into alleged ACORN corruption and voter registration fraud in Connecticut prior to the 2008 presidential election. The FBI and Department of Justice initiated investigations. And the story was much the same in Connecticut as it was in Missouri. However, in the case of Connecticut, the Obama Justice Department, while noting that ACORN had engaged in “questionable hiring and training practices,” closed down the investigation in March 2009 claiming ACORN broke no laws.

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Did you really expect the Attorney General, Holder, to prosecute ACORN?

Ican, you may remeber that he, the Attorney "freaking" General ADMITTED that he was opposed to the Arizona Immigration Law put in recently by that state,but that he had not READ IT>

I don't believe that he and Napolitano have not read the Law. I think that if they admitted they had read it they would have been asked the crucial and, for them, unanswerable question--Is it anymore than a support for the Federal Law on Immigration?
okie
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2010 08:07 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

4.) Your rendered your posting of the Eisenhower piece difficult to read by using varying type faces. I think you may have used red ink as well. Who wants to wade through that stuff?
I would think anyone that cares about history and anyone that truly wants to know what Eisenhower believed and thought, would want to "wade through that stuff." That stuff, pom, is crucial to understanding history, as you claim to be an expert on and claim to want to know. I made some of the type red to highlight the parts that demonstrated Eisenhower's conservatism, and the varying typefaces you mention is simply bold of the same typeface to emphasize what I thought was the most important, but if you just can't read type in red or bold typeface, here is a suggestion, copy the entire article and paste it into a word processing program on your computer. Surely you have some kind of text or word processing software on your computer that you could use to paste the article?
okie
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2010 08:18 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

So, your answer is that you do not believe that reviewing many sources is important for getting a correct picture of what took place in history.

I just want you to understand that this level of analysis - declaring that things are 'clear' when they are anything but - would have gotten you flunked right out of school, Okie, were you to attempt to do this with any sort of seriousness. And your lack of analysis, and disdain for it, is why you are not taken seriously on historical issues by either Liberals or Conservatives here on A2K.

Cycloptichorn

Actually if you could just read and comprehend one principle of the Nazi 25 points, it would be enough to prove it is a leftist, socialist political movement. It is similar to a Marxist or communist belief, and reads as follows:
"COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD"

There is far more than the above phrase to support and prove my point, cyclops, in fact the remainder of the points are in accord with the above primary principle, but the above is hopefully simple enough for you to comprehend and understand, maybe?

Unless I've overlooked it, it does not appear Cyclops has had any answer to my above post. And if cyclops or anyone else like the historical expert, "plainoldme," cannot find out what the Nazi 25 points were, here it is in this post on the thread "What Produces Ruthless Dictators"
http://able2know.org/topic/66117-2#post-3628207
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morell
 
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Reply Mon 14 Jun, 2010 10:52 pm
Absolute proof that Obama is a Socialist can be found in the following conversation:

“It’s not that I want to punish your success,” Obama explained. “I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”

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WHEN YOU SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND....Redistribution with a vengence. Marx and Engles would be proud!!!!
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 10:16 am
Quote:
The cost of "socialism"


Current European tax rates:

United Kingdom VAT - Value Added Tax
Income Tax: 50% VAT: 17.5% TOTAL: 67.5%

Germany
Income Tax: 45% VAT: 19% TOTAL: 64%

France
Income Tax: 40% VAT: 19.6% TOTAL: 59.6%

Greece
Income Tax: 40% VAT: 25% TOTAL: 65%

Spain
Income Tax: 45% VAT: 16% TOTAL: 61%

Portugal
Income Tax: 42% VAT: 20% TOTAL: 62%

Sweden
Income Tax: 55% VAT: 25% TOTAL: 80%

Norway
Income Tax: 54.3% VAT: 25% TOTAL: 79.3%

Netherlands
Income Tax: 52% VAT: 19% TOTAL: 71%

Denmark
Income Tax: 58% VAT: 25% TOTAL: 83%

Finland
Income Tax: 53% VAT: 22% TOTAL: 75%

If you've started to wonder what the real costs of "socialism" are going to be, once the full program in these United States hits your wallet, take a look at the table. As you digest these mind-boggling figures, keep in mind that in spite of these astronomical tax rates, these countries are still not financing their social welfare programs exclusively from tax revenues! They are deeply mired in public debt of gargantuan proportions.

Greece has reached the point where its debt is so huge it is in imminent danger of defaulting. That is the reason the European economic community has intervened to bail them out. If you're following the financial news, you know Spain and Portugal are right behind Greece.

The United States is now heading right down the same path. The "VAT" tax in the table is the national sales tax that Europeans pay. Stay tuned because that is exactly what you can expect to see the administration proposing after the fall elections. The initial percentage in the United States isn't going to be anywhere near the outrageous numbers you now see in Europe. Guess what, the current outrageous numbers in Europe didn't start out as outrageous either. They started out as miniscule-right around the 1% or 2% where they will start out in the United States. Magically however, they ran up over the years to where they are now. Expect the same thing here.

It's time to rethink the 'American Dream' idea: It is the notion that with hard work and perseverance, anybody can get ahead economically here. Do you think that can ever happen with tax rates between 60% and 80%? Think again. With the government taking that percentage of your money, your life will be exactly like life in Europe. You will never be able to buy a home. You will never buy a car. You will never send your children to college. Let's not shuffle the battle cry of the socialists under the rug either. It's always the same cry. "Equalize" income. "Spread the wealth" to the "poor" (whoever they are). "Level" the economic playing field. Accomplish that and everything will be rosy.

It's time to take a really hard look at reality. Greece is a perfect example. Despite the "socialism" system that has ruled this country for decades, with a 65% tax rate, they are drowning in public debt, would have defaulted without hundreds of billions in bailout money, and still. . .20% of their population lives in "poverty." What has all that "socialism" money bought, besides ultimate power for the politicians running the show? Do you think these people are "free"? They're not. They are slaves to their economic "system."

We are at a tipping point in America. We all know it. Turn this around right now or your grandchildren will be massing in the streets of this once-great country, just as the people of Greece now are. Economic slavery is slavery, just the same. Carefully and deeply consider what it takes to throw off the yoke of slavery, once it takes hold and settles over your neck.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 10:21 am
@morell,
morell wrote:
Did you really expect the Attorney General, Holder, to prosecute ACORN?

Not only No ... Hell No!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 10:26 am
@ican711nm,
The top 12 Happiest countries in the world:

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/10/happiest_countries/index_01.htm

1. Denmark
2. Switzerland
3. Austria
4. Iceland
5. Bahamas
6. Finland
7. Sweden
8. Bhutan
9. Brunei
10. Canada
11. Ireland
12. Luxembourg

Why is it that the top places to be happy, also have the highest combined tax rates? Perhaps because people actually enjoy the societies which follow, contrary to the continual pleas of the right-wing to drop tax rates.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 10:30 am
@Cycloptichorn,


Please list the top 12 ANGRIEST LIBERALS in the USA.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 04:36 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
If paying more tax makes people happier, where is Cuba and North Korea in your list, cyclops? After all, all the productivity of the work they do goes to the government, to be doled out as they see fit.

Some of your posts are so stupid, it is mind boggling.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 04:42 pm
@okie,
You cannot deny that those who are in higher-tax European states enjoy higher levels of happiness then others, Okie. Much higher levels.

Your attempt to change the subject to something else has just failed completely. Ican's article alleged doom-and-gloom if things were more like Europe, but neither he nor you can escape the fact that people consistently report higher levels of happiness in these societies.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 04:50 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
You are taking 2 totally unrelated factors and concluding a cause and effect relationship, which is about as stupid as stupid can be. And I did not change the subject at all. I merely disproved your theory by simply asking a question, which of course you did not answer.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 05:06 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

You are taking 2 totally unrelated factors and concluding a cause and effect relationship, which is about as stupid as stupid can be. And I did not change the subject at all. I merely disproved your theory by simply asking a question, which of course you did not answer.


The places you brought up were not, in fact, European-style social democracies - which is what I was talking about with Ican. So yes, you were changing the subject. You didn't 'disprove' my 'theory' - which isn't a theory, but a fact - in any way with your question.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 07:42 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
European style socialism resides on the scale of increased taxation and toward the equivalent of 100% taxation or outright communism, where Cuba and North Korea are, so if more control of people's productivity makes them happier, then the folks in Cuba and North Korea should be the happiest.

The obvious thing you are overlooking, cyclops, is that every country differs in terms of culture, and so happiness is not directly related to increased socialism, as in European Socialism. That would be like saying happiness is directly proportional to how mountainous a country is, or something like that. Your theory is completely ridiculous.

I would venture to guess happiness would vary greatly from state to state as well, and I doubt it would have much to do at all with how socialistic they are.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 04:14 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Happiness is a subjective term.
I read the article linked to, and I did not see any standard definition of happiness.
It seems the researcher took a lot of statistics and used them to define happiness.

That doesnt seem to me to be a good method.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 01:38 pm
Leftism is a generic term for socialism, communism, fascism, and naziism.
~~~Leftism limits ,and in some cases eliminates, individual liberty under the law.

Rightism is a generic term for democratism, conservatism, libertarianism, and anarchism.
~~~ Rightism expands and in some cases maximizes individual liberty under the law.

Those adults who are happy under leftism are happy (e.g., content) that others are relieving them of responsibility for their own happiness at the price of their decreased individual liberty under the law.

Those adults who are happy under rightism are happy (e.g., content) that they are personally responsible for their own happiness at the price of their increased individual liberty under the law.

LEFTISM~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.[/white]RIGHTISM
nazism fascism communism socialism statism democratism conservatism libertarianism anarchism
okie
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 04:43 pm
@ican711nm,
Our constitution guarantees us the right to pursue happiness, but it does not guarantee it. Also, the same conditions that produce happiness, as perceived, in one person may not produce it in another.

ican, thanks again for providing more agreement to the fact that Nazism was a form of a very Leftist political environment. It is still unbelievable to me that many people that claim to be informed and educated cannot understand this self evident truth. It is abundantly self evident in the Nazi 25 points and Mein Kampf, which should be more than sufficient to define what Nazism was. Of course, it is the Leftists among us that claim not to understand this, obviously because it is their sacred ox that is being gored.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 05:28 pm
@okie,
Such uneven type faces are impolite. In essence, you highlighted the selection. I do not respect your intellect and I am not alone in that. I would wager that others decided not to read your post for the same reason.

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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 05:29 pm
@okie,
Furthermore, you have demonstrated a complete and total inability to understand history. What gives you the unmitigated gall to assume the role of teacher?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 05:30 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I wonder where the right can go so America can become a happy country? Anyone want to bet that no nation in the world would take the right in?
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