AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

That is not election fraud, Ican. That is voter registration fraud. There is a significantly legal and moral difference between the two.

Cycloptichorn

The legal difference is slight - only a mater of the specific act. Both are felony crimes against the same federal statute.

Please explain the significant moral difference.

Voter Registration fraud is not an indication that one affirmatively attempted to tamper with an election. It is a fraud which is perpetrated by individuals for their personal financial gain. This is fundamentally different than attempting to tamper with or control an election through directly controlling the machines, results, or process. Not the same thing at all.

Cycloptichorn

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

The legal difference is slight - only a mater of the specific act. Both are felony crimes against the same federal statute.

Correct, and I think it is a given that if an organization is willing to register people fraudulantly, they will also help people vote fraudulantly. After all, this is what community organizers learn how to do, to expand political power in all kinds of ways ethical or not, and community organizing is about the only expertise that Obama has ever had in his entire working career. Also, there is reason to suspect that much more fraud has occurred in elections than we even know. For example, we know that many Democrat leaning people from places like New York also had second addresses in Florida, where they voted a second time for Al Gore. I would think that big cities offer more opportunities for fraud, and large cities are where Democratic strongholds are located. Personally, I would not trust the Democrats to be incapable of massive fraud if they could pull it off, because they have not demonstrated any allegiance to any moral code. They proved that during the Clinton administration.

Another little tangential subject to this issue is the fact that Obama and the Democrats are dead set against enforcing illegal immigration laws, because illegals are part of their future voter base. They don't care a whit about the country or the laws they took an oath to uphold, they only care about their own power.

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@Cycloptichorn,

This might interest you...

http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/10/acorn-employees-tell-fbi-of-deliberate-election-fraud-according-to-new-documents/

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The radical activist group ACORN “works” for the Democratic Party and deliberately promotes election fraud, ACORN employees told FBI investigators, according to an FBI document dump Wednesday.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

This might interest you...

http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/10/acorn-employees-tell-fbi-of-deliberate-election-fraud-according-to-new-documents/

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The radical activist group ACORN “works” for the Democratic Party and deliberately promotes election fraud, ACORN employees told FBI investigators, according to an FBI document dump Wednesday.

There's no way to verify the accuracy of the Judical Watch account - and they are, to say the least, an extremely partisan right-wing organization, so it's not like they don't have an incentive to either lie or just pick-and-choose the parts of the investigation that they think make the Dems look bad.

When there is actual evidence, or a court case or convictions which show that any of these allegations are true, let me know. Until then it's nothing more than carping on the part of the losing team.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

There's no way to verify the accuracy of the Judical Watch account - and they are, to say the least, an extremely partisan right-wing organization,.... Cycloptichorn

Of course cyclops is not going to mention that Judicial Watch has also gone after Republican or conservative leaning people.

I get the distinct impression that cyclops is so partisan that he would defend Charles Manson if he were a Democratic president in office. That is what happens, folks, when people have more allegiance to party than they do moral principle. And cyclops is a man that has claimed a human being is worth no more rights than that of a worm or a rat, so I guess what more can we expect out of him?

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@okie,

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Of course cyclops is not going to mention that Judicial Watch has also gone after Republican or conservative leaning people.

Pfff, only if they are 'not conservative enough' and end up on the enemies list.

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I get the distinct impression that cyclops is so partisan that he would defend Charles Manson if he were a Democratic president in office.

You ought to apologize for comments like that, Okie. They are beneath you.

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That is what happens, folks, when people have more allegiance to party than they do moral principle.

How do you square this with the fact that I was a registered Republican, who voted for Bush in 2000? Laughing

The truth is the exact opposite, Okie, which is why I am no longer a Republican.

Cycloptichorn

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Sharon Angle has stated publicly that Harry Reid must be "taken down" using "Second Amendment steps."

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@okie,

When you are sufficiently learned to correct me, I will let you know. That someone who would be in remedial English has such unmitigated gall is rather amazing.

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@ican711nm,

I can send you a college level text on political science so that you can stop embarrassing yourself.

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@Cycloptichorn,

How could ACORN rig anything? It is an absolutely incompetent organization. I've posted about the incompetence of ACORN more than once.

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@Cycloptichorn,

ican lacks perception.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Of course cyclops is not going to mention that Judicial Watch has also gone after Republican or conservative leaning people.

Pfff, only if they are 'not conservative enough' and end up on the enemies list.

Lame argument, cyclops. In fact it is no argument at all.

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I get the distinct impression that cyclops is so partisan that he would defend Charles Manson if he were a Democratic president in office.

You ought to apologize for comments like that, Okie. They are beneath you.

Perhaps an exaggeration to make a point, my apologies, cyclops, but seriously you have been defending scumbags for a good long time, if they are Democrats.

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That is what happens, folks, when people have more allegiance to party than they do moral principle.

How do you square this with the fact that I was a registered Republican, who voted for Bush in 2000? The truth is the exact opposite, Okie, which is why I am no longer a Republican.

Cycloptichorn

Then perhaps you need to return to your roots, if you are telling the truth?

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

When you are sufficiently learned to correct me, I will let you know. That someone who would be in remedial English has such unmitigated gall is rather amazing.

I never took remedial English, nor did I need to. Finding errors in your posts is not that difficult. I have ignored most of them, until my latest post when I decided to throw some of your criticism back at you, simply to demonstrate your hypocrisy . If you can prove my corrections to be in error, please let me know, but in the meantime I would suggest you cut out the pointless insults and get back to the political issues being discussed. How about it, pom?

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@okie,

There aren't many and they tend to be typos. You aren't smart enough to correct anyone. Your errors are serious and your style is stultifying.

Consider how many people here have told you point blank that you are stupid.

You began by insulting me. I never insult anyone first. You snipe at me constantly. However, you can, as the old saw runs, dish it out but you can't take it.

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@plainoldme,

More projection from the ever-critical harpie of A2K.

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@okie,

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Perhaps an exaggeration to make a point, my apologies, cyclops, but seriously you have been defending scumbags for a good long time, if they are Democrats.

Oh, really? Which scumbag on the Dem side have I defended lately?

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Then perhaps you need to return to your roots, if you are telling the truth?

My roots don't even exist any longer. The modern Republican party is a joke; they aren't Conservative in the slightest, they don't care about anything but money and aggression. What is there to attract someone to the party? And don't give me any bullshit about 'limited government,' because you know as well as I do that the Republicans in Congress never do a damn thing to limit the size of government.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

The modern Republican Party is a joke; they aren't Conservative in the slightest, they don't care about anything but money and aggression. What is there to attract someone to the party? And don't give me any bullshit about 'limited government,' because you know as well as I do that the Republicans in Congress never do a damn thing to limit the size of government.

It's true that "the modern Republican Party is not conservtive." But there are a number of Conservatives in the Republican Party (e.g., Mischel Bachmann, Paul Ryan).

The number of Conservatives in the Republican Party will increase in November.

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

The number of Conservatives in the Republican Party will increase in November.

Yes it will.

Neuter Obama November 2010

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

You began by insulting me. I never insult anyone first. You snipe at me constantly. However, you can, as the old saw runs, dish it out but you can't take it.

You won't like this, but the liberal mindset is to take every disagreement as an insult. When I began to disagree with you and tell you how ridiculous your opinions were, you took it as insulting. The liberal mind is so arrogant as to believe they are the only opinion on the planet that matters, and how dare anyone to disagree with them!! Sorry, pom, your liberal opinions are not universal, and in my opinion they are correct only on extremely rare occasions.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Oh, really? Which scumbag on the Dem side have I defended lately?

Starting with Clinton, that is getting to be a good time ago, but I imagine you defended him, is that correct?

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My roots don't even exist any longer.

That is apparent if you believe a human being has more worth or rights than a worm or a rat, cyclops. Sorry to bring that up repeatedly, but it serves to illustrate a basic and extremely important point.

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The modern Republican party is a joke; they aren't Conservative in the slightest, they don't care about anything but money and aggression. What is there to attract someone to the party? And don't give me any bullshit about 'limited government,' because you know as well as I do that the Republicans in Congress never do a damn thing to limit the size of government.

Cycloptichorn

Not true at all. You are generalizing, as I would do if I accused every Democrat of being a scumbag, which I could by virtue of the fact that almost every single one of them defended Clinton during his presidency. The only one I recall that waffled on that was Joe Lieberman. All the rest of them had no spine, none whatsoever. In the case of Republicans, many are conservative, but yes you are correct, not all are, nor would we want every party member to think as a group. I think it is far better to have some individuality and some variation of thought by individual. We are not groupees as the Democrats are. The Democrats would prefer the whole party follow Obama as if he is a dictator instead of president.

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