AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@ican711nm,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUnqbBgYZmI&feature=related

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@ican711nm,

Consider the editorial. It is neither right nor wrong. The news story, on the other hand, can be found to be correct or in error.

Assume what you want. Assumptions are opinions. You've not demonstrated the possession of native intelligence nor logic. I am surprised, however, that you are so old.

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@ican711nm,

Is that like marijuana is the doorway to heroin?

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@ican711nm,

BTW, rightists break the law. Read Slavery By Another Name which tells of all the law breaking done by rightists.

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@ican711nm,

The rightists want the wealth! Sugar, do you remember the back to the land movement of the 60s, communes and are you aware of the environmental movement? All of those are not aimed at generating wealth! It is the fat cats on the right who have seen a monumental increase in wages while real earnings for the bottom four quintiles . . . that is 80% of the population . . . stagnated in 1979. The Robber Barons have returned and they as always on the right.

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@ican711nm,

No, MJ is right and you are very wrong.

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@ican711nm,

America has never been governed from the left, although some administrations had moments when they endorsed . . . more often due to popular pressure . . .and even promoted individual policies that might be construed as left of center.

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@plainoldme,

Plainoldme, the law breaking by slavers or would be slavers is typical leftist law breaking. The KKK is leftist because it ATTEMPTS TO REDUCE THE INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY UNER THE LAW OF AFRICAN AMERICANS.

Anyone who attempts to reduce anyone's liberty under the law is a leftist. That is what Obama is doing to lots of individuals. That's why Obama is a leftist.

absolute dictatorship<=leftists<=less individual liberty under the law<=
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
~=>more individual liberty under the law=>rightists=>absolute anarchy

Conservatives are rightists because they are attempting to rescue and secure the individual liberty under the law of EVERYONE.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

The rightists want the wealth! Sugar, do you remember the back to the land movement of the 60s, communes and are you aware of the environmental movement? All of those are not aimed at generating wealth! It is the fat cats on the right who have seen a monumental increase in wages while real earnings for the bottom four quintiles . . . that is 80% of the population . . . stagnated in 1979. The Robber Barons have returned and they as always on the right.

Rightists want everyone to control the spending and investing they earn. They do not rob it. They are rooting for the rescuing and securing of liberty under the law for EVERYONE.

Robber barons are leftists because they limit the liberty under the law of the people they rob.

"Thou shall love thy neighbor." Root for him and/or her to prosper from the value of what they produce.

"Thou shall not covet ... anything that is thy neighbor's." In other words, end damnable envy. LOVE AND ENJOY the prosperity of whoever prospers NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY PROSPER UNDER THE LAW.

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@MontereyJack,

Monterey Jack wrote:

He's a totalitarian religious fundamentalist. That's as right wing as they come. Nearly as far right as you are, ican.

NO! WRONG!

Totalitarian religious fundamentalist are leftists no matter what religion they adopt or claim they have adopted. Whether they be Christian totalitarians, Muslim totalitarians, Jewish totalitarians, or other kinds of totalitarians, they are attempting to reduce the liberty under the law of all those who have not adopted their religion, or who have abandoned their religion.

absolute dictatorship<=leftists<=less individual liberty under the law<=
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
=>more individual liberty under the law=>rightists=>absolute anarchy

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@ican711nm,

Slave holders were righties . . . conservatives. The people who enforced Jim Crow laws were hard line right-wingers . . . staunchly conservative. The left wing participated in the Birmingham Bus Boycott. The left gave Rosa Parks the courage to sit at the front of the bus through a workshop. The left went down south for Freedom Summer. The left registered blacks to vote. The left alone worked for social justice.

The right chained and beat slaves. The only right the left gave was the 'right' to black women to share massa's bed.

Stop using that childish large type. And your slogans and symbols are ridiculous.

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@ican711nm,

Then why has the top one percent seen outrageous increases in income while 80% of the population has an income in the doldrums?

Once you remove the sports and entertainment figures from the top 1%, the rest are the captains of industry, the robber barons, who are all righties.

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@ican711nm,

I wish we were face to face because then I would tell you what I really think.

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@ican711nm,

Totally irrational.

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@plainoldme,

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Slave holders were righties . . . conservatives

So then you admit that the founding fathers were conservatives and the country was founded on conservative principles.

Nice of you to finally admit that.

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absolute dictatorship<=leftists<=less individual liberty under the law<=||

||=>more individual liberty under the law=>rightists=>absolute anarchy

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Resistance to the abolition of slavery after December 6, 1865--after the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery was adopted--was LEFTIST.

LEFTIST Democrats after that date tried all kinds of ways to subvert the 13th Amendment. Fortunately they failed.

Resistance to the abolition of abridging the citizenship of African Americans after July 9, 1868--after the 14th Amendment abolishing abridgment of citizenship was adopted--was LEFTIST.

LEFTIST Democrats after that date tried all kinds of ways to subvert the 14th Amendment. Fortunately they eventually failed.

Amendments adopted during Republican RIGHTIST Administrations:

Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html
Amendment XIII (1865)
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment XIV (1868)
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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@plainoldme,

The canard about income discrepancies is patently false. If one examines the oft stated division of family income by quintiles, it is clear that the group at the bottom is indeed receiving the least amounts. However, sophisticated users of these statistics know that the people in each group keep changing. The groups are not static. The lowest group has more young people in it as would be expected, Most people in the lowest group are not in the lowest group ten years later. Either schools do a very poor job of treaching statistics or extremist partisans are hoping that no one examines the long term changes that take place with income statistics.

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ODEM LIED AND JOBS DIED!

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ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt

Year………………………..USA Total Civil Employed
...
2001………………..............136,933,000 [BUSH43 2001 TO 2009]
…
2007...........................146,047,000
…
2008:
August........................ 145,273,000
September.................... 145,029,000
October....................... 144,650,007
November................... 144,144,000
December.................... 143,338,000

2009: [OBAMA 2009 TO ?]

January.................... 142,221 ,000
February................... 141,687 ,000
March......................140,854,000
April...................... 140,902,000
May........................ 140,438,000
June....................... 140,038,000
July....................... 139,817,000
August..................... 139,433,000
September................ 138,768,000
October.................... 138,242,000
November................... 138,381,000
December................... 137,792,000

2010:
January (3)................ 138,333,000
February................... 138,641,000
March...................... 138,905 ,000
April......................... 139,455,000
May…………….......….139,420,000

That's a 35,000 decrease in civil jobs!

IT ISN'T WHAT PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE FOR.
IT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY FOR.

Rightists (e.g., conservatives) are working to achieve equal liberty for everyone under the law.

Leftists (e.g., liberals) are working to achieve equal wealth for everyone regardless of the law.

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