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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 06:15 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Hatred is the stock and trade from the right across time and nation states: the KKK, the Nazis, the Fascists in Spain, the Tea Party.

Total and absolute garbage, and an insult to every decent American that has spoken up against the socialist and confiscatory policies of Obama and his irresponsible Democrat associates in Congress.
Think for a moment, if you are capable, compare the decent Tea Partiers to the Bill Ayers of the World, a domestic terrorist that has wreaked violence and advocated the overthrow of the United States of America, and a friend of Obama, and the Reverend Wright that has essentially said America deserved 911, a friend and political / spiritual mentor of Obama. It is Obama and his friends that are dangerous and that can be compared to Nazis, fascists, or if you want to go there, it is one of the leaders of the Democratic Party, KKK Byrd, who has been one of the kingpins of the KKK in his past.

If anyone is spewing hatred here in fact, it is you, pom. And yes, I have the courage and backbone to say so, I will not stay silent in face of the Democrat and Liberal leftist demagoguery.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 08:03 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

plainoldme wrote:

Hatred is the stock and trade from the right across time and nation states: the KKK, the Nazis, the Fascists in Spain, the Tea Party.

Total and absolute garbage, and an insult to every decent American that has spoken up against the socialist and confiscatory policies of Obama and his irresponsible Democrat associates in Congress.
Think for a moment, if you are capable, compare the decent Tea Partiers to the Bill Ayers of the World, a domestic terrorist that has wreaked violence and advocated the overthrow of the United States of America, and a friend of Obama, and the Reverend Wright that has essentially said America deserved 911, a friend and political / spiritual mentor of Obama. It is Obama and his friends that are dangerous and that can be compared to Nazis, fascists, or if you want to go there, it is one of the leaders of the Democratic Party, KKK Byrd, who has been one of the kingpins of the KKK in his past.

If anyone is spewing hatred here in fact, it is you, pom. And yes, I have the courage and backbone to say so, I will not stay silent in face of the Democrat and Liberal leftist demagoguery.


Well said and 100% on target.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 08:12 pm
@okie,
Had a long talk with a friend who is a history prof today. We both agree that the Tea Totalitarians are neither a movement nor is its origins grass roots.

What you fail to understand that the only fascism is that the industrialists who have scored an enormous victory with the Supreme Court are the fascists, that industrialists control the government largely through lobbyists, but, now through the Supreme Court and that you are being led to speak on their behalf.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 08:15 pm
@H2O MAN,
Very few on the right have any sense of history, which is why and how they are so easily manipulated.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 08:18 pm
@H2O MAN,
There is nothing to prove they are not. However, if you would look up the 25 March 2010 edition of the New York Review of Books, you will find an article written by someone who attended the Tennessee convention and reported the inherent racism of the Tea Totalitarians. While you're at it, stop by the public library . . . if that is not too socialist for you . . . and check out Slavery By Another Name, Douglas Blackmon's Pulitzer Prize winning history book.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 08:19 pm
@okie,
How sad that you think, hiding behind your fake name, that you need "courage and backbone" to write an answer to someone miles away who is also disguised by a nom d'email.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 08:19 pm
@H2O MAN,
As an aside, H2OMAN and other observers of the leftist mantra in regard to tea partiers, be very aware of the fact that Obama and the extreme left would like to figure out a way to demonize tea partiers and decent Americans opposed to their leftist agenda. We now have folks suggesting that the next violent acts will be by tea partiers and that they are to be more feared than Islamo-fascist extremists.

Folks, be on the lookout for plants, for planted acts to make it look like a tea partier doing something, just a suggestion for everyone here, because I for one do not believe it would be beyond their capability. We learned that about leftists from the Reichstag fire. The Democrats tried it on a small scale in Denver during the DNC, a Democrat operative threw a brick or something through their HQ there, trying to make it look like a act of violence by their opposition. We've had for years suggestions by people like the pathetic Clinton blaming things on conservative talk radio for inciting violence, which is of course total and absolute garbage. They were also involved in the many lies about the burning of black churches and other stuff.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 08:24 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Had a long talk with a friend who is a history prof today. We both agree that the Tea Totalitarians are neither a movement nor is its origins grass roots.

What you fail to understand that the only fascism is that the industrialists who have scored an enormous victory with the Supreme Court are the fascists, that industrialists control the government largely through lobbyists, but, now through the Supreme Court and that you are being led to speak on their behalf.

Get a grip, pom. About the most grassroots movement there is would be the tea partiers. The ones I've seen at the local parks are decent law abding citizens, taxpayers, business owners, and others, all fed up with Obama / Democratic Washington power grabs and irresponsible government. They simply want to return to more sane policies.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 08:46 pm
@okie,
Here is a review of the incident in Denver, which I think needs to be posted as a reminder of the type of leftist organizations and people we are dealing with. Just be aware out there of what could be tried again, maybe on a larger scale?:

http://lagniappeslair.blogspot.com/2009/08/democratic-party-hq-in-denver.html

"The Democratic Party's Denver office was attacked by two vandals last night. The two reportedly covered their faces before shattering several windows with hammers and riding away on bicycles. Behind those windows were posters depicting Barack Obama and calling for support of his health care scheme.

Naturally there was immediate outrage among local Democrats when the story broke, and Republicans, Conservatives and anyone else opposed to Barack Obama's health care scheme were blamed and condemned for it.

Unluckily for the Democrats however, the police quickly snarfed up one of the vandals, and it turned out to be a committed leftist (read: "Democrat") by the name of Maurice Schwenkler. And who is Maurice Schwenkler, you ask? Well according to news reports, he's a paid activist for a so-called "Progressive" (read: "Democrat") front group called the Colorado Citizens Coalition, an organization that lobbied for Barack Obama's health care scheme.

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 10:41 pm
@okie,
Yeah, Republicans never fake stuff like that. Ever.

http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/ashley-todd.jpg

Cycloptichorn
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 10:50 pm
@okie,
Yep, be on the look out for plants! The forsythia are in bloom now and they are dangerously yellow! Have to be Chinese plants! Next thing you know, is the roses will be blooming and while they are available in many colors, from white to lavendar, those pinko plants are usually thought of as red! Communist flowers!!! All those petals, like the Rainbow Party! Danger, Will Robinson!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 10:51 pm
@okie,
Heavily funded by the likes of Massey Industries, but, then are you man enough to admit that?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 18 Apr, 2010 10:52 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Brilliant example.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 06:47 am
@plainoldme,

You are a member of the ignorant dumbmasses - embrace your ignorance POM... embrace it!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 07:58 am
Progressives are not necessarily Democrats. Hasn't there been enough noise about the Blue Dog Democrats and that Bart Stupak to convince each and everyone of you that the two are not one and the same?

It really is too bad that the Republicans no longer have their liberal and moderate branches. Politics . . . and life . . . would be easier for so many on the right.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 08:05 am
@plainoldme,


Politics . . . and life . . . would be easier for so many on the right if
the left would just admit they made a huge mistake electing Obama.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 08:14 am
@plainoldme,
And conservatives are not necessarily republicans.
But somehow you cant seem to grasp that.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 03:55 pm
The upper class is rapidly increasing its investments in gold to avoid expected future taxes on stock and bond revenues. Gold investments do not increase jobs.
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19228&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
HOW "SOAKING THE RICH" CLOBBERS YOU

When it comes time for tax hikes to pay for all the spending we're doing with borrowed money, Washington just figures that the "rich" will pay, says Nicole Gelinas, a senior fellow with the Manhattan Institute.

Case in point:

President Obama seems certain to let the Bush tax cuts for upper-income Americans expire -- so in January the top rate will jump back to 39.6 from 35 percent.

Two years later, a new 3.8 percent tax kicks in on investment income earned by families who make $250,000 and up (part of the health care bill). Thing is, the rich already do pay. And when it comes time to pay for all of the spending we're doing now, the rich may not be able or willing to pay even more, says Gelinas:

Taxpayers earning over $200,000 paid more than 54 percent of federal income taxes in 2007, way more than the 32 percent of the nation's income they earned.

In New York, the rich pay even more; families above the $200,000 mark pay nearly 67 percent of the Empire State's share of federal income taxes.

It's the same with New York's state and local taxes; Mayor Bloomberg regularly notes that 40,000 families making a half-million or more pay nearly half the city's income taxes, and these same people pay a similarly outsized share of state taxes.

But there's a limit to how much the government can get, says Gelinas. Last year, New York hiked income taxes on people who earn more than $200,000. But, as E.J. McMahon of the Empire Center for New York State Policy noted last month, the expected take from that tax hike seems likely to come in half a billion below estimates.

There's good reason to think Obama's tax hikes on the rich will fall short, too, says Gelinas. Although federal taxpayers can't leave the country as easily as a handful of Bloomberg's Upper East Side neighbors can leave New York, they can park more money in tax-free investments or simply decline to earn it in the first place. Such tax-avoidance is perfectly legal -- but it means less economic growth, and thus less income earned by everyone else.

Source: Nicole Gelinas, "How Soaking the Rich Clobbers You," New York Post, April 14, 2010.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 03:59 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:

There's good reason to think Obama's tax hikes on the rich will fall short, too, says Gelinas. Although federal taxpayers can't leave the country as easily as a handful of Bloomberg's Upper East Side neighbors can leave New York, they can park more money in tax-free investments or simply decline to earn it in the first place. Such tax-avoidance is perfectly legal -- but it means less economic growth, and thus less income earned by everyone else.


... except there's no historical evidence of anyone doing this under any level of taxation, and no reason to believe that anyone would do so. Just projections that they COULD do so.

Asinine, as usual.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 04:00 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
Producers vs. Expropriators: America's Coming Civil War?
by Edward Hudgins


April 13, 2010 -- America is drifting toward civil war, albeit one that does not yet involve bloody battlefields.

This is not mere rhetoric. It describes a crack in the American community that since Barack Obama's election as president has widened into a deep fissure and might split the nation apart. The divide is not based on regional, racial, or religious differences, factors that often set neighbors at one another's throats. Rather, the conflict is between producers, those who work to earn their own way and prosper through their own efforts, and expropriators, those who survive by taking from others with governments as their agents.

For Tax Day 2010, as the government empties the wallets of productive citizens, read this insightful analysis by Edward Hudgins describing how we got into this situation and how those who still value their lives, liberty, and independence can fight back!


The Atlas Society: The Center for Objectivism


 

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