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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 19 Apr, 2010 04:14 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/us/politics/13health.html?hpw
Baffled by Health Plan? So Are Some Lawmakers

By ROBERT PEAR
Published: April 12, 2010
...
In a new report, the Congressional Research Service says the law may have significant unintended consequences for the “personal health insurance coverage” of senators, representatives and their staff members.

For example, it says, the law may “remove members of Congress and Congressional staff” from their current coverage, in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, before any alternatives are available.

The confusion raises the inevitable question: If they did not know exactly what they were doing to themselves, did lawmakers who wrote and passed the bill fully grasp the details of how it would influence the lives of other Americans?

The law promises that people can keep coverage they like, largely unchanged. For members of Congress and their aides, the federal employees health program offers much to like. But, the report says, the men and women who wrote the law may find that the guarantee of stability does not apply to them.

“It is unclear whether members of Congress and Congressional staff who are currently participating in F.E.H.B.P. may be able to retain this coverage,” the research service said in an 8,100-word memorandum.

And even if current members of Congress can stay in the popular program for federal employees, that option will probably not be available to newly elected lawmakers, the report says.

Moreover, it says, the strictures of the new law will apply to staff members who work in the personal office of a member of Congress. But they may or may not apply to people who work on the staff of Congressional committees and in “leadership offices” like those of the House speaker and the Democratic and Republican leaders and whips in the two chambers.

These seemingly technical questions will affect 535 members of Congress and thousands of Congressional employees. But the issue also has immense symbolic and political importance. Lawmakers of both parties have repeatedly said their goal is to provide all Americans with access to health insurance as good as what Congress has.

Congress must now decide what steps, if any, it can take to deal with the problem. It could try for a legislative fix, or it could adopt internal policies to minimize any disruptions.

In its painstaking analysis of the new law, the research service says the impact on Congress itself and the intent of Congress are difficult to ascertain.

The law apparently bars members of Congress from the federal employees health program, on the assumption that lawmakers should join many of their constituents in getting coverage through new state-based markets known as insurance exchanges.

But the research service found that this provision was written in an imprecise, confusing way, so it is not clear when it takes effect.

The new exchanges do not have to be in operation until 2014. But because of a possible “drafting error,” the report says, Congress did not specify an effective date for the section excluding lawmakers from the existing program.

Under well-established canons of statutory interpretation, the report said, “a law takes effect on the date of its enactment” unless Congress clearly specifies otherwise. And Congress did not specify any other effective date for this part of the health care law. The law was enacted when President Obama signed it three weeks ago.

In addition, the report says, Congress did not designate anyone to resolve these “ambiguities” or to help arrange health insurance for members of Congress in the future.

“This omission, whether intentional or inadvertent, raises questions regarding interpretation and implementation that cannot be definitively resolved by the Congressional Research Service,” the report says. “The statute does not appear to be self-executing, but rather seems to require an administrating or implementing authority that is not specifically provided for by the statutory text.”

The White House said last month that Mr. Obama would voluntarily participate in the health insurance exchange, though the law does not require him or other administration officials to do so. His participation as president may depend on his getting re-elected in 2012.

Representative Jason Chaffetz, Republican of Utah, said lawmakers were in the same boat as many Americans, trying to figure out what the new law meant for them.

“If members of Congress cannot explain how it’s going to work for them and their staff, how will they explain it to the rest of America?” Mr. Chaffetz asked in an interview.

The provision governing members of Congress can be traced to the Senate Finance Committee. When the panel was working on the legislation last September, Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, proposed an amendment to require that elected federal officials and all federal employees buy coverage through an exchange, “rather than using the traditional Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.”

A scaled-back version of the amendment, applying to members of Congress and their aides, was accepted in the committee without objection.

“The whole point is to make sure political leaders live under the laws they pass for everyone else,” Mr. Grassley said Tuesday. “In this case, after the committee completed its work, the coverage provision was redrafted by others, and that’s where mistakes were made. Congress can and should act to correct the mistakes.”

The federal employees program, created in 1959, now provides coverage to eight million people and, according to the Congressional Research Service, is the largest employer-sponsored health insurance program in the country.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2010 01:24 pm
Quote:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19226&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD

ELIMINATE TAX BRACKETS AND COMPLICATED FORMS WITH A FLAT TAX

Most Americans support tax reform because they want fairness. The current system is a crapshoot riddled with corrupt provisions, and the tax treatment of upper-income households is a good example, says Daniel Mitchell, a senior fellow with the Cato Institute.

For example:
• Sometimes rich people are hit with punitive tax rates; this is not good for them, but it also hurts the rest of us by reducing investment and entrepreneurship.
• Many wealthy taxpayers, though, scam the system by using lawyers, lobbyists, and accountants; that also is bad for the rest of us since funds are allocated inefficiently.

With a flat tax, there are no special preferences or special penalties based on income. Economists like the flat tax since it would increase growth and job creation, while also making America more competitive. This is because a flat tax means a low tax rate. By replacing high tax rates with a low flat rate (probably 17 percent), the flat tax will encourage more productive behavior, says Mitchell.

A flat tax:
• Eliminates double taxation; by getting rid of the tax bias against saving and investment, the flat tax will encourage more capital formation.
• Reduces compliance costs; according to the Tax Foundation, dealing with the tax code will cost us $338 billion this year; this tax on paying taxes will fall by more than 90 percent with a flat tax.
• Shrinks the Internal Revenue Service; the IRS has morphed into an enormous bureaucracy costing $12 billion each year.

Tax reform may seem like an impossible dream, but it can happen. Achieving a flat tax in America will not be easy. Everyone who benefits from the current system -- politicians, accountants, bureaucrats, and lobbyists -- will fight to keep the IRS. But if the American people get angry enough, anything is possible, says Mitchell.

Source: Daniel Mitchell, "Eliminate Tax Brackets and Complicated Forms with a Flat Tax," U.S. News & World Report, April 12, 2010.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 20 Apr, 2010 01:28 pm
@ican711nm,
An interesting thought.. a 17% tax on capital gains.


I wonder who would possibly be against that tax increase?
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 10:40 am
Jonah Golberg's column in today's NRO captures, fairly well, conservative views about G.W. Bush:
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A Delayed Bush Backlash

Conservatives don’t want to be fooled again.

I attended the Cincinnati Tax Day tea-party rally as a speaker. But it was more interesting to be an observer.

First, here’s what I didn’t see. I didn’t see a single racist or bigoted sign or hear a single such comment. Nor did I see any evidence of “homegrown fascism.” Though in fairness, such things are often in the eye of the beholder, now that dissent has gone from being the highest form of patriotism under George W. Bush to the most common form of racism under Barack Obama.

But I did see something a lot of people, on both the left and the right, seem to have missed: a delayed Bush backlash.

One of the more widespread anti-tea-party arguments goes like this: Republicans didn’t protest very much when Bush ran up deficits and expanded government, so when Obama does the same thing (albeit on a far grander scale), Republican complaints can’t be sincere.

This lazy sophistry opens the door to liberals’ preferred argument: racism. “No student of American history,” writes Paul Butler in the New York Times, “would be surprised to learn that when the United States elects its first non-white president, a strong anti-government movement rises up.”

Butler, a law professor and author of the no-doubt-seminal Let’s Get Free: A Hip-Hop Theory of Justice, speaks for many in the media when he insinuates that nearly unprecedented stimulus spending combined with government takeovers of the health-care, banking, and automotive industries are dwarfed in importance by Obama’s skin color.

I speak for many who have actually spoken to tea partiers when I say that is slanderous hogwash.

But how, then, to explain the relative right-wing quiescence on Bush’s watch and fiscal Puritanism on Obama’s?

No doubt partisanship plays a role. But partisanship only explains so much given that the tea partiers are clearly sincere about limited government and often quite fond of Republican-bashing. So here’s an alternative explanation: Conservatives don’t want to be fooled again.

Recall that Bush came into office promising to be a “different kind of conservative,” and one of his first legislative victories was the No Child Left Behind Act, sponsored by Teddy Kennedy.

Throughout his presidency, Bush’s “compassionate conservatism” surrendered " either rhetorically or substantively " to the assumptions of welfare-state liberalism, i.e. that your decency was best measured by your commitment to large, inefficient government programs. “When somebody hurts,” Bush insisted, “government has got to move.”

Many conservatives disliked this whole mindset and the policies behind it, from comprehensive immigration reform to Medicare Part D.

Many conservatives muted their objections, in part because they actually liked the man personally or because they approved of his stances on tax cuts, judges, abortion, and, most important, the war on terror (we can see a similar dynamic with so many antiwar liberals who still support Obama).

Conservatives didn’t necessarily bite their tongues (remember the Harriet Miers and immigration fiascoes), but they did prioritize supporting Bush " often in the face of far nastier attacks than Obama has received " over ideological purity. Besides, where were conservatives supposed to go? Into the arms of John Kerry?

The 2008 GOP primaries compounded conservative frustration. Because there was no stand-in for Bush in the contest, there was no obvious outlet for anger at Bush’s years of pre-surge Iraq bungling or his decision to outsource domestic spending to Republican congressional ward-heelers. Then, as a lame duck, Bush laid down the predicates for much of Obama’s first 100 days, supporting both a stimulus and Wall Street bailouts. As one participant of the D.C. tea-party rally told the Washington Examiner’s Byron York, “George Bush opened the door for Barack Obama and the Democrats to walk in.”

According to last week’s NYT/CBS poll of tea-party supporters, 57 percent have a favorable view of Bush, but that hardly captures the nuance of tea-party feelings. For instance, when Bush’s face appeared on the Jumbotron in the arena, the Cincinnati audience applauded. When speakers criticized Bush and the GOP for “losing their way,” the audience applauded even louder.

Going by what I saw in Cincinnati, second to a profound desire to rein in government, the chief attitude driving the 39 percent of tea partiers who describe themselves as “very conservative” isn’t partisanship, racism, or seizing the Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia. It’s “We won’t be fooled again.” In the near term, that spells trouble for Obama and Democrats. In the long term, that lays down a serious gauntlet for Republicans.

http://article.nationalreview.com/431990/a-delayed-bush-backlash/jonah-goldberg


JM
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 10:49 am
I am in favor of a flat tax on gross income without any additional taxes on income and without any exclusions or exceptions. Capital gains are a part of gross income, and with a flat tax, an additional tax on capital gains would constitute double taxation..

I am against any increase in the current tax system. Absent a flat tax on gross income, I prefer the current tax system until the flat tax on gross income replaces it.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 02:56 pm
I think this is the thread that I mentioned I would re-type the article by Dwight D. Eisenhower, titled "Why I am a Republican," printed in the Saturday Evening Post in the 60's. Serving notice that I am getting closer to completing that , and it is a humdinger of an article, it will slam the door on any and all hopes of liberals that Eisenhower was not a conservative through and through. I will post it here, but probably will post a new thread dedicated to that article. Give me another day or two, and I will roll it out.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 02:57 pm
@okie,
http://api.ning.com/files/-OeKStU7sO7yo5QvkM-bfDsVr5EmBbYjkhlR66PlucZSLmwFBSj5uYujJT*D-bM4-5X3wy3UMc4UyaWvKMEYUTdwMDTnOE3A/BurnsExcellentSticker.jpg
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 02:58 pm
@ican711nm,
The FairTax Plan is superior to any flat tax and both are so much better than the V.A.T.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 03:02 pm
@H2O MAN,
A value added tax would be murder, in many different ways, but primarily because it would hit business and continue to maintain the uneven playing field that exists now because of the income taxes on businesses here in this country.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 03:06 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

A value added tax would be murder, in many different ways, but primarily because it would hit business and continue to maintain the uneven playing field that exists now because of the income taxes on businesses here in this country.


And here I thought that the Republican line was that businesses didn't pay taxes - they just pass them along.

So which one is it? Are businesses burdened by taxes, or are the consumers?

Cycloptichorn
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 03:20 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
The Republicans would prefer that consumers pay the taxes. Which thread was it that they started steaming about 40% of the filers paying no taxes?

While I have your attention, C., do you understand why the righties hate the left so much? After all, historically, it is the left that freed the slaves and gave women the vote, it was the left that finally convinced the general public that we needed to get out of Vietnam. I am hard pressed to think of any thing good that the right has done.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 21 Apr, 2010 08:44 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
... do you understand why the righties hate the left so much? After all, historically, it is the left that freed the slaves and gave women the vote, it was the left that finally convinced the general public that we needed to get out of Vietnam. I am hard pressed to think of any thing good that the right has done.

Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican elected president, was president in January 1865 when Congress submitted the 13th Amendment to the states to abolish slavery. Lincoln was assassinated April 14, 1865. The 13th Amendment was adopted by the states December 6, 1865.

On August 20, 1919, more than two-thirds the House and Senate of Congress voted to submit the 19th amendment to the state legislatures.The 19th Amendment that gave women the right to vote, was ratified by 36 state legislatures on August 18, 1920. Both the Republican and Democrat parties supported the amendment.

It was presidents John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, both Democrats, who got us into and kept us in Vietnam until Richard Nixon, a Republican president, got us out.

By the way, a majority of the Republicans and a minority of the Democrats in Congress supported president Lyndon Johnson's civil rights law. It was signed by Johnson into law July 2, 1964. The law "provided for strenthening federal authority to guarantee the voting rights of Negroes, to forbid racial discrimination in places of public accomodation and to encourage further desegragation of schools."
okie
 
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Reply Thu 22 Apr, 2010 08:27 am
@ican711nm,
ican, do not forget Eisenhowers 1957 Civil Rights Act. Although I have recommended this to pom many times before, I would recommend again her accessing the website, National Association of Black Republicans, and she will find reams of material telling her all the positive things done by Republicans, starting with Abraham Lincoln. And she will find here a group of people that have gained the courage to leave the Democratic Party plantation, which is not only courageous but extremely liberating.

http://www.nbra.info/
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 22 Apr, 2010 08:32 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

While I have your attention, C., do you understand why the righties hate the left so much?

Because their true agenda is that of control over other people and the denial of freedom and liberty to anyone that disagrees with them. They do not believe in the individual to be able to succeed or live their own lives responsibly in freedom and liberty, they instead believe the almighty state has all the answers and that the State knows best in how to govern the lives of people. To summarize, the left is the enemy of freedom and liberty.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 22 Apr, 2010 08:45 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

A value added tax would be murder, in many different ways, but primarily because it would hit business and continue to maintain the uneven playing field that exists now because of the income taxes on businesses here in this country.


You are correct.

The V.A.T. needs to die a quick and painless death.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 22 Apr, 2010 11:05 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

plainoldme wrote:

While I have your attention, C., do you understand why the righties hate the left so much?

Because their true agenda is that of control over other people and the denial of freedom and liberty to anyone that disagrees with them. They do not believe in the individual to be able to succeed or live their own lives responsibly in freedom and liberty, they instead believe the almighty state has all the answers and that the State knows best in how to govern the lives of people. To summarize, the left is the enemy of freedom and liberty.

Your tinfoil hat eclipses the sun okie.

The left expands personal liberty and freedom.
K
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 22 Apr, 2010 11:33 am
@Diest TKO,
Okie correctly and wisely pointed out that conservatives oppose the left, curently the Odems (i.e., Obamademocrats):
Quote:
Because their true agenda is that of control over other people and the denial of freedom and liberty to anyone that disagrees with them. They do not believe in the individual to be able to succeed or live their own lives responsibly in freedom and liberty, they instead believe the almighty state has all the answers and that the State knows best in how to govern the lives of people. To summarize, the left is the enemy of freedom and liberty.

Diest TKO wrote:
The left expands personal liberty and freedom.

Whose personal liberty and freedom has the left expanded?

The Odems are actually working to reduce everyone's personal liberty and freedom by increasing government spending of their taxes and increasing their taxes. Furthermore, The Odems are working to reduce compliance with our Constitution. and reduce government's protection of our capitalist economy.

Significant valid evidence of these Odem workings has been repeatedly posted here.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 22 Apr, 2010 03:29 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:
Whose personal liberty and freedom has the left expanded?


Homosexuals can visit their partners in the hospital for starters. The end of DADT is on the horizon too. I'm sure you don't give a ****, but you asked.

Also, people with pre-existing conditions now have new liberties such as being able to switch jobs easier because they aren't tied down to their current job because of their condition. I'm sure you don't give a ****, but you asked.

You've yet to demonstrate how in any way how Americans (any of us) have lost any specific freedoms or liberties because of Obama. I defy you to tell me a single freedom you have lost you over-dramatic whiner.

I remember all the talk about guns and the 2nd amendment. If it isn't clear to you knuckle heads yet, it's just not a part of the administration's agenda to take your ******* precious pea shooters.

Oh and you know what is also on the horizon? Troops coming home from Iraq. I believe the limited detail left afterward will be only a couple thousand and they will have non-combat roles. I'm sure the GOP is not looking forward to this fact come election season since they boasted so loudly about how poorly it would go for democrats.

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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Thu 22 Apr, 2010 03:52 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
And here I thought that the Republican line was that businesses didn't pay taxes - they just pass them along.

So which one is it? Are businesses burdened by taxes, or are the consumers?


Actually, both. What the Social Democrats constantly must forget is that the two are interrelated. This because if they (Social Democrats) acknowleded this they would have to explain the reason behind their affinity for taxes and ever more taxes (greater governmental control over all citizens lives). If the Social Democrats were completely honest they would simply vanish in short order.

Consumers obviously are hurt because the taxes whether sales, VAT, or even corporate income taxes are incorporated into the cost of the product or service they provide.

Businesses are harmed because as the cost of services and products rises the demand for them decreases. Decreased demand is then rightly followed by decreased production of these. Decreased production means decreased profits. Less profit means the businesses will be less likely to reinvest it back into the business, especially in new technologies that would increase produtivity which could further lower costs. Of course, with a decrease in the demand for businesses' products comes the simultaneous decrease in demand for labor. Less people working means less demand for the products and services which means...(See the history of buggy whip manufacture)

JM
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 22 Apr, 2010 04:29 pm
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:

ican711nm wrote:
Whose personal liberty and freedom has the left expanded?


Homosexuals can visit their partners in the hospital for starters.


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K
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I am really sick of this being some sort of gay rights issue. It isn't. This allows an individual to name someone, regardless of the relationship, to the status equal to a family member. Friend, neighbor, lawyer or whatever.
 

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