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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 06:28 pm
@H2O MAN,
Rulings by conservative justices in the past decade make it perfectly clear that they do not "apply the law" in a neutral and detached manner. Consider, for example, their decisions holding that corporations have the same right of free speech as individuals, that commercial advertising receives robust protection under the First Amendment, that the Second Amendment prohibits the regulation of guns, that affirmative action is unconstitutional, that the equal protection clause mandated the election of George W. Bush and that the Boy Scouts have a First Amendment right to exclude gay scoutmasters.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 06:58 pm
@H2O MAN,
Conservatism is social suicide.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 07:00 pm
@old europe,
Actually, this piece in the NYT contradicts yours.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html?th&emc=th

I am not trying to be argumentative: I don't know the real answer but I will say the NYT gets more conservative daily.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 07:01 pm
@plainoldme,
You are approaching the post quality of Advocate.

Bunch of half truths and unsupported claims here.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 07:04 pm
@H2O MAN,
Introduce health care reform!!!!!

WHY DIDN'T THOSE HYPOCRITES DO SO UNDER THAT COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE, THE SECOND BUSH?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 07:10 pm
@H2O MAN,
Obama has been behaving largely like a moderate Republican. You should be happy with that, waterboy.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 07:15 pm
@maporsche,
Elucidate
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 07:16 pm
@plainoldme,
We can start with your entirely unsupported and inaccurate claim about what the SCOTUS said about gun regulation.
okie
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 08:25 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Unlike you, I am not a rich capitalist and am not well traveled. My daughter spent a great deal of time in Denmark with friends that we later entertained here in America.

I am not rich or wealthy, but I do have enough money to pretty much go wherever I want to from time to time. However, by choice, I do not choose to afford cruises, nor do I travel out of the states commonly. I have gone to Great Britain and Denmark one time, thats all, for about 3 weeks total on the trip. That was enough to show me plenty in terms of contrasting how they live there vs here.

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You made a fool of yourself by equating pick up trucks with wealth. How embarrassing for you.

Its not about pickup trucks, its about what people can afford and what people can do, how they live, their relative level of lifestyle.

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Europeans walk more than Americans which may be why they are slimmer.

Probably, and that may account for more obesity here, but we still live just about the same years, that was my point, that therefore our health care system is likely superior to theirs, given our more unhealthy lifestyles here.

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Consider how many American cities are hellholes with small apartments and no yards. Nashua, NH. Syracuse, NY. Albany, NY.

Its a choice, you don't have to live in Nashua or Syracuse or Albany, or any hellhole, but at least most big cities here are not hellholes like they seemed to be in Europe, at least the ones that I saw in Europe, most notably London, which looks like a huge accident waiting to happen, or has already happened, you could not pay me enough to live in that disaster area.

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Sluggo, the veneer of civilization is very thin. For you, civilization is an RV.

I enjoy camping and seeing the country, exploring, fishing, etc. that sort of thing, yes, do you have a problem with that? I think that is experiencing life much more to the fullest than living in a flat in some miserable city, riding the subway daily, listening to sirens all day blaring down every narrow street, and beathing the stench.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 09:20 pm
@maporsche,
I started a thread about that, sluggo! I didn't write it . . . I just quoted it. Don't make it so easy to shoot yourself down!
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 09:30 pm
@okie,
Paris is a beautiful city and is cleaner than any American city I have ever seen. Goteberg and Stockholm are as clean or cleaner than Paris. However, Helsinki is cleaner still. The warehouse district is cleaner than most upper class American cities.

Listen, in your complaints about Denmark, you spoke of how there weren't trucks there. You do know that people laugh at pickup trucks and that for many the RV is as ridiculed as polyester pants with elastic waist bands were in the 1980s, don't you?

Okie, there is a world outside of your own mind. America is a pretty dirty place. I live about 3/4 of a mile from the post office, so, unless I have a package to mail, I generally walk there. One day, a woman walking from the opposite direction spoke to me. She said that she hated to walk sometimes. I asked whether it was because the roadside was so dirty and she said yes.

Americans are known, and rightly so, for being slobs.

And how many people do you think live in Syracuse or Albany and would love to leave but can't because they work at McDonald's and can't find another job? Remember how the industrialists moved jobs out of the country to save on labor costs?

You can't think that apartments in American cities are any better than those in Europe. Cities mean density and density means smaller places in which to live.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 09:33 pm
@plainoldme,
Yep, approaching Advocates post quality pretty quickly.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:15 am
@maporsche,
As Advocate is a satirist in the few posts I have read and as I provide real life info, I think there is a distinct difference. Since you wish to denigrate Advocate, perhaps, his posts float above your head.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 09:48 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
Americans are known, and rightly so, for being slobs.

Everyone can have their own opinion, but I certainly do not share yours. I happen to think America is one great place, and I happen to like most fellow Americans. When I came back from Europe, I walked into the airport, and when greeted with the sight of a mural that said "Welcome to the United States of America," I threw my fist in the air and said "YES." Immediately, most people seemed more friendly. I happen to think America has been a tremendous force for good in the world, and if not for us a much larger portion of the world may be living in tyranny this very minute, including a large portion of Europe.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:29 am
@plainoldme,
This is a quote from an editorial by Geoffrey Stone, who is Levi Professor of Law at the University of Chicago LAw School. If you don't like these words, take the matter up with the Professor.
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:33 am
@plainoldme,
Well, if you cited his work on your paper, maybe I would have known that. -15pts, and consider yourself lucky I don't report this plagerism to the principal.




But, seriously, you posted it because you agree with him, no? So, do you disagree with what he said about the 2nd amendment? Because it's just plain wrong.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:33 am
@okie,
Well, the Iraqi War did a lot of good for Halliburton.

I guess you don't like street cleaning. Paris is cleaned daily. I was there when lockers in depots and trash barrels were padlocked due to a terrorist threat. There was no trash. Even with open trash barrels, Americans throw paper cups, cigarette butts, bottles, newspapers, scratch tickets and more everywhere. Wow! Americans are great at making messes!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:34 am
@maporsche,
I am aware that you are not an attorney.
maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:38 am
@plainoldme,
So, are you saying that you have no idea what you are talking about? You just take his word for it and don't do any independent thinking?

Please note the question marks, a very meaningful and intentional addition to my post.
parados
 
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Reply Sat 17 Apr, 2010 10:42 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

We can start with your entirely unsupported and inaccurate claim about what the SCOTUS said about gun regulation.

hmm.. I didn't realize that conservative judges only sat on the SCOTUS.
Perhaps you should read a little closer without leaping to conclusions about what judges and what cases he is talking about.
 

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