AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

You realize that this works out to around $250 per person IF it were to be averaged out; as it won't be averaged out, it's actually far less then that for the vast majority of people. Big whoop.

The source of my confusion is that first you inform us that "this works out to around $250 per person IF it were to be averaged out". Then you inform that "it won't be averaged out". But because of the latter you then invalidate your $250 figure and replace it with the far more ambiguous: "it's actually far less then that for the vast majority of people" With this type of guzzy calculus is it possible it (the $250 figure) could actually be more rather than less? To be honest if you answer that question yes then I might be interested in the math but I suspect that your calculations are the result of seeking a particular outcome (see global warming e-mails). Perhaps you could present a clearer explanation (not an Obama-like repetitive iteration please-just one good one will do nicely) to school us conservatives.

Once the law is fully implemented in 2019, the JCT estimates the deduction limitation will affect 14.8 million taxpayers " 14.7 million of them will earn less than $200,000 a year. These taxpayers are single and joint filers, as well as heads of households.

Further, the "Big whoop" here is not the tax increase amount, it is that it is a tax increase and as such finds Obama in the position of appearing to, shall we say, mislead the American taxpayer. Some questions then present themselves:

1.Did the President lie to the American people?

if not, then:

2.Is he fiscally rudderless and just making it up as he goes along?

if not then:

3.Does he have a specific "Change" in mind for America and if so what would that be?

With Obama's numbers dropping it is quite clear that answering these questions is starting to make Americans uncomfortable.

Yes, Conservatives should forget participating in deficit reduction and concentrate on SPENDING REDUCTION to make government smaller.

Deficit reduction always allows TAX INCREASES to creep into the calculation which then causes all kinds of mischief.
The wonderful "intended consequence" is more individual liberty

JM

'Not paying taxes' means that you are poor enough that you have to spend almost all your money to make it in life, so the gov't doesn't take that last little bit from you. That's what 'pays no income tax' means. It doesn't mean that you are a freeloader.

And you guys act as if these people are living the good life somewhere. It's a sad thing, not a good thing.

Cycloptichorn

It is impossible to pay off the deficit and debt by reducing spending; both politically and in real world terms. I would challenge you to show how you would do it, but I know you will be unable to do so, as other Conservatives have been unable to do so in the past.

Cycloptichorn

When the conservatives re-take the house and senate later this year their priority must be to deny funding to all of Obama's crack-pot initiatives.

1.Did the President lie to the American people?

Cycloptichorn wrote:

It is impossible to pay off the deficit and debt by reducing spending; both politically and in real world terms. I would challenge you to show how you would do it, but I know you will be unable to do so, as other Conservatives have been unable to do so in the past.

Cycloptichorn

What a ridiculous post. That post confirms your liberal idiocy. If people can do it personally with a personal budget, it can also be done by government, ironclad guarantee. Of course, it would take a committed bunch in Congress and a president that had some moral courage and smarts, and a populace that had a lick of common sense, and we already know almost half or more don't.

Okay; show us how you would do it. List off the programs you would cut, not only to balance the current budget but to also service the 200-300 billion dollars a year it would take to pay down the debt. Remember that if you cut SS and Medicare, you don't get any additional revenue, because the taxes paid into them would be cut accordingly.Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Okay; show us how you would do it. List off the programs you would cut, not only to balance the current budget but to also service the 200-300 billion dollars a year it would take to pay down the debt. Remember that if you cut SS and Medicare, you don't get any additional revenue, because the taxes paid into them would be cut accordingly.Cycloptichorn

I will make my suggestions, but before I do so, please explain your above statement. How does cutting pay increases in Social Security for example cut taxes paid into them?

I'd love to see how you balance the budget and service the debt without paying additional taxes.

In a new report, the Congressional Research Service says [Obamacare] may have significant unintended consequences for the “personal health insurance coverage” of senators, representatives and their staff members.

For example, it says, the law may “remove members of Congress and Congressional staff” from their current coverage, in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, before any alternatives are available.

The confusion raises the inevitable question: If they did not know exactly what they were doing to themselves, did lawmakers who wrote and passed the bill fully grasp the details of how it would influence the lives of other Americans?

The law promises that people can keep coverage they like, largely unchanged. For members of Congress and their aides, the federal employees health program offers much to like. But, the report says, the men and women who wrote the law may find that the guarantee of stability does not apply to them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/us/politics/13health.html

"“The whole point is to make sure political leaders live under the laws they pass for everyone else,” Mr. Grassley said Tuesday. “In this case, after the committee completed its work, the coverage provision was redrafted by others, and that’s where mistakes were made. Congress can and should act to correct the mistakes.” "

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I'd love to see how you balance the budget and service the debt without paying additional taxes.

Have your boy stop his reckless spending. De-fund all that he has shoved down our throats so far and boot his inexperienced ass out of office.

Now work to greatly reduce the size and scope of our government, cut taxes, adopt The FairTax Plan and watch real change happen.