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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 4 Apr, 2010 11:15 am
MANY CONTEMPORARY DEMOCRATS NOW BELIEVE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA IS IRRELEVANT! ANDREW MCCARTHY DISAGREES.
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http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis.asp
America's War On Islamist Terror...Or Is It?

ANDREW C. MCCARTHY is a senior fellow at the National Review Institute. For 18 years, he was an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the South District of New York, and from 1993-95 he led the terrorism prosecution against Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 11 others in connection with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and a plot to bomb New York City landmarks. Following the 9/11 attacks, he supervised the Justice Department's command post near Ground Zero. He has also served as a Special Assistant to the Deputy Secretary of Defense and an adjunct professor at Fordham University's School of Law and New York Law School. Mr. McCarthy writes widely for newspapers and journals including National Review, the Wall Street Journal, and USA Today, and is the author of the book Willful Blindness: A Memoir of the Jihad.

The following is adapted from a speech delivered in Washington, D.C., on March 5, 2010, in the “First Principles on First Fridays” lecture series sponsored by Hillsdale College's Allan P. Kirby, Jr. Center for Constitutional Studies and Citizenship.


“YOU ARE HEREBY commanded to show cause.” The general studied the document in his hands. It was a writ of habeas corpus. A federal judge was presuming, in the midst of war, to order him to report to the courthouse the following morning and explain the basis on which the U.S. Army was holding a prisoner of war.

Habeas corpus: “You shall have the body.” It is known as “the Great Writ,” an inheritance from the Magna Carta and British common law that was formally established in the American colonies in the 1690s. When the Constitution was adopted in 1787, it became part of our fundamental law, enshrined in Article I, Section 9: “The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.” The writ, in short, is a time-honored bulwark against tyranny.

But to return to our story: Louisiana had only been a state for about three years when, in early 1815, General Andrew Jackson authorized the arrest and detention of Louis Louailler. “Old Hickory” had just saved the Republic by defeating the British forces of General Sir Edward Pakenham in the decisive Battle of New Orleans. The Treaty of Ghent, which formally concluded the War of 1812, had actually been signed by British and American foreign ministers over two weeks earlier. But news of the treaty did not reach the U.S. in time to forestall the battle. It was the one great American victory of the war.

Just as Jackson hadn’t known about the formal armistice, neither did he know what the British army would do. Would it regroup and attempt another assault? So he imposed martial law. That did not please Mr. Louailler, who took to the newspapers to attack Jackson’s decision. Perceiving this as an incitement, Jackson had Louailler arrested. Supporters of the imprisoned man appealed to the Honorable Dominick Augustin Hall, the U.S. District Judge in Louisiana.

Hall, being a jurist, had no responsibility for national security"a responsibility assigned by the Constitution to elected officials. The judge’s only duty was to ensure that any litigants properly before him were afforded due process. But Judge Hall was of a mind that he, not General Jackson, personified the rule of law"security or no security.

General Jackson was of a different mind. Instead of responding to the writ as directed, he had Judge Hall arrested and, after a time, escorted by troops several miles outside the city limits and set free.

We’ve come a long way from Andrew Jackson to Barack Obama"and an even longer way from Louis Louailler to Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the so-called Christmas bomber.

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It has become fashionable these days to invoke the “rule of law” as if it means the rule of lawyers"and in particular, the rule of judges. But that has never been the term’s meaning. In the U.S., the rule of law is embodied in the Constitution and resides in the statutes, treaties, rules, and regulations adopted pursuant to the Constitution. The rule of law does not refer either to judges or to elected officials, who are themselves servants of the Constitution.

It has also become trendy in recent years, especially among our legal elites, to declaim piously that “the Constitution is not suspended in wartime.” And, of course, no true patriot believes that the Constitution could ever be suspended. But the Constitution is not"nor has it ever been"the imposition of judicial rule. Indeed, the Constitution imposes strict limitations on the judicial power, just as it does on Congress and the executive branch. It has never been the case that where judicial power ends, anarchy begins.

General Jackson may have been wrong to lock up Louis Louailler in 1815. In fact, the military court that tried Louailler acquitted him. But Jackson was not wrong in determining that it was his decision to make"not as a tyrant, but within the constraints of military protocols in wartime. When formal word of the peace treaty reached New Orleans, Jackson immediately reinstated civilian control. But until that time, he"not the civilian courts"was responsible for keeping order. In the state of war, those courts were inadequate for that task"unless one believes that Judge Hall, with his writs, was a match for His Majesty’s armed forces, then thought to be the mightiest on earth.

In doing as he did, General Jackson was applying a principle stated with clarity almost a century later by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., writing for a unanimous Supreme Court in the case of Moyer v. Peabody:

When it comes to a decision by the head of the State upon a matter involving its life, the ordinary rights of individuals must yield to what he deems the necessities of the moment. Public danger warrants the substitution of executive process for judicial process.

When the life of the state is imperiled, that is, the Constitution does not become suspended; it adapts. In times of armed conflict, it imposes the laws and customs of war, which"under those circumstances"are as consistent with the rule of law as judicial processes are in peacetime.

On this point, it is worth pausing to recall why we have a Constitution. After achieving independence, our country proved unsuccessful in governing itself under the Articles of Confederation. Paramount among the reasons for this was the attempt under the Articles to provide national security by committee"something that proved utterly ineffective in dealing with threats from England, Spain, and the Barbary Pirates. The Constitution remedied this potentially fatal weakness by placing all executive power, including the power of commander-in-chief, in a single elected official"the president"who could act with great energy and dispatch.

The Framers of the Constitution understood that the rights we cherish would be little more than parchment promises unless we could defend ourselves and defeat our enemies. Moreover, they understood that"given human nature"we would always have enemies. Unlike opponents of the war against Islamist terror today, they did not believe that we would be able to define our enemies out of existence by not uttering their names"or rationalize them out of existence by insisting that their hostility is somehow our own fault. Nor did the Framers believe that we would be able to indict our enemies into submission in our civilian courts. They believed that we would have to defeat them, which means being able to enforce the protocols necessary to wage war successfully.

These protocols are the laws of war, and they are older than the U.S. itself. They include requiring combatants to wear uniforms, to carry their weapons openly, to be part of a regular armed force, and, most importantly, to refrain from intentionally targeting civilians. They also define wartime powers and privileges. Enemy combatants, for example, may be captured and detained until the conclusion of hostilities. Fighters who adhere to the laws of war are entitled to various protections upon capture. By contrast, fighters who flout the laws of war"such as non-uniformed terrorists who target civilians"are unlawful combatants and may be prosecuted by a military commission for war crimes.

This is not a judicial system, and it is not intended to be. But it is every bit a legal system. And throughout our history"at least until recently"this has been well understood. Since 9/11, however, anti-war lawyers have challenged the idea of a separate legal status for unlawful combatants. Here they are up against not only common sense but history.

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President Lincoln, of course, suspended habeas corpus upon the outbreak of the Civil War. (Not as often mentioned is the fact that Congress"which was out of session at the time"later endorsed Lincoln’s action.) When Lincoln’s action was eventually brought before the Supreme Court, the issue was not whether habeas corpus could be suspended in case of rebellion"as we have seen, that is clearly provided for in the Constitution"but which elected branch of government could suspend it. Chief Justice Roger Taney concluded in the case of Ex parte Merryman that because the Suspension Clause is in Article I, it must have been understood as a power of Congress rather than the president"a reasonable interpretation, though hardly indisputable. What was unreasonable about the decision was Taney’s claim that if the courts were open and functioning, even in wartime, federal judges"not the political branches"should have the final word on what actions could be taken in defense of the nation. That claim had no constitutional support"it was a power-grab pure and simple, and a foolish and undemocratic one.

At the time Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, the survival of the Union hung in the balance, with Confederate sympathizers sabotaging railways and otherwise impeding the movement of Union forces and supplies. It is for just such exigencies that the Suspension Clause exists. As Lincoln reasoned in a message to a special session of Congress on July 4, 1861, if the writ of habeas corpus"“fashioned with such extreme tenderness to the citizens’ liberty”"were as sacrosanct as Taney contended, it would allow “all the laws, but one, to go unexecuted, and the government itself to go to pieces, lest that one be violated.” Taney’s claim is preposterous on its face. What of the President’s obligation “to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution”? What of the central purpose of government “to provide for the common defense”? What becomes of our rights if the structure so carefully crafted to defend them vanishes?

President Roosevelt grappled with similar challenges during World War II. In June 1942, when the outcome of the war was anything but clear, eight German saboteurs were captured after landing on the coasts of Long Island and Florida. They had been sent by Hitler to commit acts of terrorism against civilian infrastructure, and Roosevelt decided to make an example of them. He wasn’t concerned with the fact that the federal courts were open and functioning. Nor was he swayed by the fact that one of the saboteurs was an American citizen. He directed that all eight of them be detained as enemy combatants and tried by a military commission. Nor did he perceive the need to festoon the proceedings with trappings of a martial setting: the trial took place in an FBI conference room in what is now the Robert F. Kennedy Department of Justice Building.

The saboteurs’ defense lawyers naturally cried foul, filing a petition for a writ of habeas corpus in the Supreme Court and claiming that this military commission violated the Constitution. Upon hearing of the petition, Roosevelt summoned Attorney General Francis Biddle and directed him to tell the Chief Justice that he did not care what the Supreme Court thought; that the Constitution made him, not the justices, responsible for the lives of the American people and the successful prosecution of the war; and that he would not be releasing the prisoners, regardless of the Court’s disposition of the case.

This provided a judicial “king has no clothes” moment of clarity such as we have not had in the ensuing 68 years. The fact is that courts have no power to enforce their edicts. Roosevelt was willing to bet, if it got down to brass tacks, that the American people would agree that the president they had elected"and who would have to face their judgment again in the next election"should be prosecuting the war, rather than a tribunal of unelected judges. In the event, the Supreme Court agreed, and in the case of Ex parte Quirin it upheld all of Roosevelt’s actions. Most of the saboteurs were subsequently executed, following military trial, approximately seven weeks after their capture.

How do we get from the decisive actions of Jackson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt to the Obama administration’s stunning mishandling of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab? Recall that this terrorist tried to detonate a chemical bomb on an airplane"an attack that would have killed all 288 innocents onboard and an untold number of Americans on the ground. Recall that he was a trained operative of al Qaeda"a transnational terrorist network with which we are at war. Recall that he was a Nigerian national sent from Yemen to attack us, and had no claim whatsoever on the protections of civilian due process. What’s more, our intelligence community tells us that Yemen is now one of the prime launch points of Islamist terror. Abdulmutallab had spent four months there. He knew the training camps, the trainers, and the identities of other terrorists (evidently, scores of them). In light of these facts, his capture alive should have been one of the great intelligence coups of the war. Instead, he was questioned for a mere 50 minutes before being given Miranda warnings and a lawyer"at which point he invoked his supposed right to remain silent, was consigned to the civilian justice system, and was charged in an indictment that gave him plea-bargaining leverage in any further negotiations over what he would tell us.

This approach was not only unnecessary, it was wrong. The terrorist could and should have been designated an enemy combatant and interrogated without the interference of a lawyer or the complications of a civilian prosecution. Even if one believed"as the Obama administration says it believes"that it is important to our reputation around the world to endow him with the rights of the Americans he was trying to slaughter, there was no legal requirement that that be done immediately. He could have been turned over to civilian authorities two or three years from now, once his intelligence reservoir was fully tapped. We’d have lost nothing in the meantime except the ability to introduce any confession at trial"and no confession is needed when a terrorist tries to bomb an airplane in front of nearly 300 witnesses.

* * *

Robert Jackson"the U.S. Attorney General from 1940-41, a Supreme Court Justice from 1941-54, and the chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials"wrote the following in a 1948 Supreme Court case, Chicago & Southern Air Lines v. Waterman S.S. Corp.:

The very nature of executive decisions as to foreign policy is political, not judicial. Such decisions are wholly confided by our Constitution to the political departments of the government, Executive and Legislative. They are delicate, complex, and involve large elements of prophecy. They are and should be undertaken only by those directly responsible to the people whose welfare they advance or imperil. They are decisions of a kind for which the Judiciary has neither aptitude, facilities, nor responsibility and have long been held to belong in the domain of political power not subject to judicial intrusion or inquiry.

The Constitution of Justice Jackson"like the Constitution of Presidents Jackson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt"is that of a free, self-governing people. Such a people does not surrender control of the most fundamental political decisions"such as those concerning national defense"to officials who are not politically accountable. Nor should our elected officials voluntarily surrender control of those decisions. We must reject the idea of entrusting our security to judicial processes or we shall eventually find ourselves neither secure nor free.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 02:03 am
A very post, Ican. I took part of it and replicated in below:

Ican wrote
It has become fashionable these days to invoke the “rule of law” as if it means the rule of lawyers"and in particular, the rule of judges. But that has never been the term’s meaning. In the U.S., the rule of law is embodied in the Constitution and resides in the statutes, treaties, rules, and regulations adopted pursuant to the Constitution. The rule of law does not refer either to judges or to elected officials, who are themselves servants of the Constitution.

end of quote

The reason I did that, Ican, was because of an article entitled
"Texas Gun Case Could Play Role in Health Care Suit"

This article shows that even Obama must respect the rule of law.

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Texas gun case could play role in health care suit
By DAN FREEDMAN Houston Chronicle © 2010 The Associated Press
April 4, 2010, 1:24PM
Share Print Share Del.icio.usDiggTwitterYahoo! BuzzFacebookStumbleUponHOUSTON " A Texas high school student's decision to bring a .38-caliber handgun to school in 1992 could end up at the center of the legal fight over President Barack Obama's health care reform plan.

Alfonso Lopez Jr.'s arrest at Edison High School in San Antonio set in motion a legal battle that may prove crucial to 13 state attorneys general fighting the new law.

Lopez, a senior when he was arrested for handgun possession in March 1992, ended up facing federal charges of violating the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. But the Supreme Court, on a 5-4 vote, threw out his conviction five years later on the grounds that Congress exceeded its regulatory authority under the Constitution when it approved the 1990 law, which makes it a violation of federal law to possess a firearm in a school zone.

In filing a lawsuit last week challenging the new health care law's mandate that everyone must have health insurance, the 13 state attorneys general " including Greg Abbott of Texas " cited the same legal reasoning that went into the Lopez ruling.

At issue in both cases is the Constitution's commerce clause, which limits the regulatory powers of Congress to matters involving interstate commerce. In the Lopez decision, conservatives on the court led by then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist ruled that the 1990 gun law was unconstitutional because it had nothing to do with commerce between states.

Upholding the federal government's right to control guns in school zones would give Congress "a general police power of the sort retained by the states," Rehnquist wrote for the majority.

That's almost exactly the argument the states are making now in a lawsuit filed March 23.

Abbott and the other 12 state attorneys general say that health care does not meet the legal definition of interstate commerce, rendering illegal the congressional mandate that all Americans must purchase health insurance.

"In the past 15 years the Supreme Court has scaled back Congress when they've tried to inject themselves into purely state matters," said one of the 13, Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox, in an interview on MSNBC.

The Lopez ruling was one of two Cox cited, saying it was a case where the federal government "tried to criminalize purely state behavior within a state."

Prior to the Lopez ruling, the Supreme Court had for 60 years mostly followed the lead of Congress, ruling that congressional claims of regulatory power were valid under the Constitution. With the Lopez ruling, court watchers predicted a wholesale scaling back of such claims, clipping the wings of Congress to legislate in any area it wanted.

In the 2000 case of U.S. v. Morrison, the justices knocked down a provision of the Violence Against Women Act that gave victims of rape, domestic violence and other gender-motivated crimes the right to sue attackers in federal court. Rehnquist also authored the opinion.

Still, the attorneys general are hedging their legal bets. They also argue that the health care law's insurance mandate for individuals violates the 10th Amendment, which states that powers not specifically delegated to Congress by the Constitution are "reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

Critics of the lawsuit say the U.S. health care system is national in scope, transcending state lines, and that extending benefits to the uninsured is an economic activity that requires the participation of all in the insurance pool.

If Obama administration lawyers can establish a connection between the health care law's goals and interstate commerce, the high court's conservatives may be hard-pressed to rule against Congress, skeptics say.

"The courts are not supposed to overturn the will of the elected representatives of people; that is something that's generally anathema to conservatives," said Paul Rothstein, a law professor at Georgetown University. "Conservatives may not like the health care plan, but they don't want to be put in a position of judicial activism, overturning what the people's elected representatives put in place."

Other experts see the lawsuit as having a very good chance of success, especially since Congress entered uncharted waters in approving health care.

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The key in the paragraphs above is:

Upholding the federal government's right to control guns in school zones would give Congress "a general police power of the sort retained by the states," Rehnquist wrote for the majority.

That's almost exactly the argument the states are making now in a lawsuit filed March 23.
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 03:57 pm
@MASSAGAT,
Massagat,
In your opinion or in the legal opinions that you have seen, would a lawsuit on behalf of an individual citizen claiming that the federal government cannot force him to purchase any product/service or force said individual to participate in such "interstate commerce" be on firmer legal grounds? This, I imagine, would have to wait until 2014 when the feds actually try to impose legal sanctions against said individual, but still it is, perhaps, another legal hurdle for Obamacare.

JM
MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 04:05 pm
@JamesMorrison,
I think Mr. Morrison that the answer to your question lies in the lines below from the posting I already made:
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At issue in both cases is the Constitution's commerce clause, which limits the regulatory powers of Congress to matters involving interstate commerce. In the Lopez decision, conservatives on the court led by then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist ruled that the 1990 gun law was unconstitutional because it had nothing to do with commerce between states.

Upholding the federal government's right to control guns in school zones would give Congress "a general police power of the sort retained by the states," Rehnquist wrote for the majority.
end of quote.

I do not think that a judgement by the Supreme Court would have to wait until they actually mandated the "payments". The Supreme Court could just order the section "null and void".

This, of course, would throw Obamacare into a hornet's nest. Without some kind of fine or pressure, millions, as they are doing now, would not purchase insurance UNTIL THEY NEEDED IT. Such tactics would lead to bankruptcy of many insurance companies. Perhaps the Obamaites are really looking for that to happen so that they may slide the Government in place of the Insurance Companies.



plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 08:32 pm
@JamesMorrison,
NPR asked several prominent legal scholars, including former members of Republican administrations and people with ties to the right and none of them felt that suits had any merit.
MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 02:26 am
@plainoldme,
Really- Do you have a link to that transcript, plainold? I would love to hear it to evaluate the probity of the opinions. Or are you, as usual, just expelling unsourced gaseous material? If you really wish to learn instead of posting useless garbage, Plainold, you may reference:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6943728.html
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 11:35 am
@MASSAGAT,
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This, of course, would throw Obamacare into a hornet's nest. Without some kind of fine or pressure, millions, as they are doing now, would not purchase insurance UNTIL THEY NEEDED IT. Such tactics would lead to bankruptcy of many insurance companies. Perhaps the Obamaites are really looking for that to happen so that they may slide the Government in place of the Insurance Companies.


Indeed, this is exactly what has happened in MA. People are gaming the system by waiting until they need more expensive procedures before buying those more comprehensive/expensive policies. It's expected that the legislature there will try to close such loopholes. But a true market based system would forgo the necessity of such wack-a-mole games of legislative catch-up.

Yes. If Obamacare cannot force citizens to participate we would see a severe irony: the American Social Democrats fully exposed by word and deed via their big government take over of a sixth of the economy that becomes their iconic legacy leading them into the 2010 and 2012 elections and perhaps beyond. There is no doubt the 2010 elections for congress will be a referendum on whether voters prefer Obama and his vision of America or a more traditional smaller governmental fisc. Sub concerns in 2012 will be the public's belief of American exceptionalism and its international security concerns vs those demonstrated by the present administration's thru its handling of Terrorism, Iran, Israel, Honduras, its deference to China and Russia while neglecting our natural ally India and Obama's disgracful treatment of our best ally Great Britain (forget Churhill's bust, gifts of CDs and iPod. remember Hilary suggesting that they negotiate with Argentinta over the Falklands?)

As for the "single payer" solution we all heard Obama, Pelosi, and B.Frank express this was their end game. Americans will have the choice of bigger government and less individual liberty or more liberty and a better quality of life delivered via a market based system with less (hopefully much less) government intervention into our lives. We shall see

JM

P.S. Just heard that after the 2010 elections and more conservative representation we may be able to deny Obamacare by dening funds for it. First up: deny funding for those 16,000 IRS agents to enforce Obamacare fines or taxes or whatever they are now refered to as!

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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 12:07 pm
@plainoldme,
Quote:
NPR asked several prominent legal scholars, including former members of Republican administrations and people with ties to the right and none of them felt that suits had any merit.


Yes, I heard that too. But Massagat's revelations on the gun control laws was not mentioned (at least in what I experienced). Those, however, do show such legal challanges in a more positive light.

What is becoming interesting is that people are discussing these legal challanges. This keeps Obamacare in the forefront of political discussion while educating everyday citizens about our law of the land: The U.S. Constitution.
Remember when Obamacare was slithering its way through Congress? People, regular people schooled themselves ,not only in the Constitution, but also using the writings of Hamilton, Madison, Rand and other commentators on democratic government. Every principled (and economic) objection against Obamacare that prolongs its infliction upon the American people will have the positive effect of further educating us about it and our founding document.
Perhaps some day Obamacare will be fondly remembered as an example of what America isn't. Get that in a well read American school textbook and the Social Democrats will have certainly done some good.

JM
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 12:16 pm
@JamesMorrison,
Quote:
Rand


LOL as if Ayn Rand has anything to do with the Constitution or good governance at all. She's nothing more then a tool in the Conservative arsenal of self-justification of greed.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 12:21 pm


American Conservatism started getting stronger when the liberal left took over under G.W. Bush and the American Idol
type election of Obama combined with his radical agenda has resulted in American Conservatism growing even stronger.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 12:27 pm
@JamesMorrison,
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This keeps Obamacare in the forefront of political discussion while educating everyday citizens about our law of the land: The U.S. Constitution.

It's too bad that some won't ever realize that the constitution allows the Congress to pass laws and suits to try to stop those laws are without merits and waste tax dollars.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 04:56 pm
THE POWERS GRANTED BY THE CONSTITUTION, AS LAWFULLY AMENDED, TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE USA ARE THE ONLY POWERS LAWFULLY POSSESSED AND EXERCISED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Nowhere in the Constitution has the President, the Congress, or the Judiciary been granted the power to transfer private property from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it. Any branch of the federal government that makes such private property transfers violates the "supreme law of the land," and their "oath or affirmation required by Article VI to support this Constitution".

When any branch of the federal government makes such property transfers, it is exercising powers not granted by the Constitution to the federal government. According to Amendment X, the exercise of such non-granted powers by the federal government violates the Constitution. Therefore, making such property transfers is unlawful.

Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
The Constitution of the United States of America
Effective as of March 4, 1789
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Article I
Section 1. All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
...
Section 8. The Congress shall have power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
...
Article II
Section 1. The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
...
Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
...
Article III
Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.
...
Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof
...
Article VI
...
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution;
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http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 05:50 pm
@JamesMorrison,
Massagat always asks for proof or links or something because he thinks everyone is his maid.

Regular people schooled themselves? As the French say, It is to laugh. They did not. They followed the Republican line, transmuted to them via glenn beck.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 05:51 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Ayn Rand was only half the team . . . the other half was Rose Wilder, daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 05:54 pm
@H2O MAN,
This is beneath contempt. How stupid. Totally divorced from reality.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 06:19 pm
@plainoldme,


Your response tells me I hit the bulls eye... I knew I would.
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 08:32 pm
@plainoldme,
Quote:
Regular people schooled themselves? As the French say, It is to laugh. They did not. They followed the Republican line, transmuted to them via glenn beck.


Honestly, this seems an elitist conceit far, far below someone, like yourself, who has professed being a member of the teaching profession. However, even a teacher should recognize that at some point learning is an individual endeavor made easier by self interest. Indeed, what better interest than those that would guard their individual freedoms and their family's wealth from a perceived encroaching statism? Even at this later date the MSM is starting to recognize the seriousness of the so called Tea Party. We should recognize that their concerns are for all of our freedoms not just their own.

We now see a grassroots conservative movement that has had some success instructing the Republican establishment as to political and national relevance by forcing them, where possible, to the right (see Utah Senate race).

About the Rand thing: I have invoked Ayn Rand in the past to present a valid argument for personal freedoms aside from the argument for individual freedoms from divinity that the founders used. This removes the possibility that secular forces may deny our individual freedoms by simply eliminating the divinity. Rand has made a real world argument for such freedoms without a need for a "creator".

Further, Cyclops has mentioned that Rand's philosophy is an irrelevance towards good government because it is, in his words, " a tool in the Conservative arsenal of self-justification of greed". This another example of leftist name calling where conservatives are "greedy" and "selfish". But Rand has something to say about “selfishness” and “altruism” itself. She views the former as natural and desirable. The latter is viewed almost as a form of evil. The deciding factor is the so called moral judgment applied by the interpreter (such as Cyclops).

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It is not a mere semantic issue nor a matter of arbitrary choice. The meaning ascribed in popular usage to the word "selfishness" is not merely wrong: it represents a devastating intellectual "package-deal," which is responsible, more than any other single factor, for the arrested moral development of mankind. In popular usage, the word "selfishness" is a synonym of evil; the image it conjures is of a murderous brute who tramples over piles of corpses to achieve his own ends, who cares for no living being and pursues nothing but the gratification of the mindless whims of any immediate moment. Yet the exact meaning and dictionary definition of the word "selfishness" is: concern with one's own interests. This concept does not include a moral evaluation; it does not tell us whether concern with one's own interests is good or evil; nor does it tell us what constitutes man's actual interests. It is the task of ethics to answer such questions.
The ethics of altruism has created the image of the brute, as its answer, in order to make men accept two inhuman tenets:
(a) that any concern with one's own interests is evil, regardless of what these interests might be, and
(b) that the brute's activities are in fact to one's own interest (which altruism enjoins man to renounce for the sake of his neighbors).


But Rand is careful to point out that while an individual must have maximal freedom of action (because of his earthly situation) he does not have Cart Blanche regarding his actions when they bump up against those of other individuals. (This, of course, is one of the few legitimate areas for government by law.)
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A similar type of error is committed by the man who declares that since man must be guided by his own independent judgment, any action he chooses to take is moral if he chooses it. One's own independent judgment is the means by which one must choose one's actions, but it is not a moral criterion nor a moral validation: only reference to a demonstrable principle can validate one's choices.
Just as man cannot survive by any random means, but must discover and practice the principles which his survival requires, so man's self-interest cannot be determined by blind desires or random whims, but must be discovered and achieved by the guidance of rational principles. This is why the Objectivist ethics is a morality of rational self-interest-or of rational selfishness.
Since selfishness is "concern with one's own interests," the Objectivist ethics uses that concept in its exact and purest sense. It is not a concept that one can surnder [sic] to man's enemies, nor to the unthinking misconceptions, distortions, prejudices and fears of the ignorant and the irrational. The attack on "selfishness" is an attack on man's self-esteem; to surrender one, is to surrender the other.


But you should decide for yourself: http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl201/modules/texts/text%201/rand.html

JM



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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 12:18 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclops shows he has shot his bolt. He picks out one word--one person--and makes a critique. Why don't you try to rebut the entire argument found in JM's post, Cyclops? Is it because you are not able to do so?
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 12:27 am
@plainoldme,
I am going to post plainold's comment.
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Massagat always asks for proof or links or something because he thinks everyone is his maid.

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I have taken quite a few classes in my time and engaged in even more conversations but I have NEVER seen the linkage of asking for proof or links with the job of a "maid".


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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 12:30 am
@parados,
Parados wrote:

"It's too bad that some won't ever realize tha the constitution allows the Congress to pass laws and suits to try to stop those laws are without merits and waste tax dollars,"

Parados is egregiously mistaken. He appears to know less about the constitution and the courts than my 12 year old nephew.

If Parados can read the following without getting confused, he will find that there are some activities which the Federal government cannot proscribe and CANNOT LABLE UNDER THE 'COMMERCE CLAUSE.

Note:


Alfonso Lopez, Jr. was a 12th grade student at Edison High School in San Antonio, Texas. On March 10, 1992 he carried a concealed .38 caliber revolver, along with five cartridges,[1] into the school. He was confronted by school authorities[2] and admitted to having the weapon. Eventually he was charged with violation of the federal[3] Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 (the "Act"), 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)[4]

Lopez moved to dismiss the indictment on the ground that §922(q) of the Act was "unconstitutional as it is beyond the power of Congress to legislate control over our public schools." The trial court denied the motion, ruling that §922(q) was "a constitutional exercise of Congress' well defined power to regulate activities in and affecting commerce, and the `business' of elementary, middle and high schools . . . affects interstate commerce."

Lopez was tried and convicted. He appealed to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, claiming that §922(q) exceeded Congress' power to legislate under the Commerce Clause. The Fifth Circuit agreed and reversed his conviction, holding that "section 922(q), in the full reach of its terms, is invalid as beyond the power of Congress[5] under the Commerce Clause."

The Government petitioned[6] for Supreme Court review and the Court accepted the case.

To sustain the Act, the Government was obligated[7] to show that §922(q) was a valid exercise of the Congressional Commerce Clause power, i.e. that the section regulated a matter which "affected" (or "substantially affected"[8]) interstate commerce.[9]

The Government's principal argument was that the possession of a firearm in an educational environment would most likely lead to a violent crime, which in turn would affect the general economic condition in one of two ways: first, because violent crime causes damage and creates expense, it raises insurance costs, which are spread throughout the economy; and second, by limiting the willingness to travel in the area perceived to be unsafe. The Government also argued that the presence of firearms within a school would be seen as dangerous, resulting in students' being scared and disturbed; this would, in turn, inhibit learning; and this, in turn, would lead to a weaker national economy since education is obviously an important element of the nation's economic health.

The Court, however, found these arguments to create a dangerous slippery slope: what would prevent the federal government from then regulating any activity that might lead to violent crime, regardless of its connection to interstate commerce, because it imposed social costs? What would prevent Congress from regulating any activity that might bear on a person's economic productivity?[10]

Supreme Court decision
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Chief Justice Rehnquist, delivering the opinion of the Court, identified the three broad categories of activity that Congress could regulate under the Commerce Clause:

the channels of interstate commerce,
the instrumentalities of interstate commerce, or persons or things in interstate commerce[12], and
activities that substantially affect or substantially relate to interstate commerce[13]
The Court summarily dismissed any consideration of the first two categories and concluded that the resolution of the case depended only on consideration of the third category"regulation of activities that substantially affect interstate commerce. The Court essentially concluded that in no way was the carrying of handguns a commercial activity or even related to any sort of economic enterprise, even under the most extravagant definitions.[14]

The opinion rejected the government's argument that because crime negatively impacted education Congress might have reasonably concluded that crime in schools substantially affects commerce.

The Court reasoned that if Congress could regulate something so far removed from commerce, then it could regulate anything, and since the Constitution clearly creates Congress as a body with enumerated powers, this could not be so. He concludes:

To uphold the Government's contentions here, we have to pile inference upon inference in a manner that would bid fair to convert congressional authority under the Commerce Clause to a general police power of the sort retained by the States. Admittedly, some of our prior cases have taken long steps down that road, giving great deference to congressional action. The broad language in these opinions has suggested the possibility of additional expansion, but we decline here to proceed any further. To do so would require us to conclude that the Constitution's enumeration of powers does not presuppose something not enumerated, and that there never will be a distinction between what is truly national and what is truly local. This we are unwilling to do.
The Court specifically looked to four factors in determining whether legislation represents a valid effort to use the Commerce Clause power to regulate activities that substantially affect interstate commerce:

1.Whether the activity was non-economic as opposed to economic activity; previous cases involved economic activity.
2.Jurisdictional element: whether the gun had moved in interstate commerce.
3.Whether there had been Congressional findings of an economic link between guns and education.
4.How attenuated the link was between the regulated activity and interstate commerce.
It is important to note that although the ruling stopped a decades-long trend of inclusiveness under the commerce clause, it did not reverse any past ruling about the meaning of the clause. Later, Rehnquist stated that the Court had the duty to prevent the legislative branch from usurping state powers over policing the conduct of their citizens. He admitted that the Supreme Court had upheld certain governmental steps towards taking power away from the states, and cited Lopez as a decision that finally stepped in to check the government's authority by defining clearly between state and federal powers.[15]
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You got that , Parados? Or did you flunk both Political Science and Physics?

Since you may have had trouble reading and understanding the decision, I will replicate an important section for you---
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In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court affirmed the decision of the Court of Appeals. It held that while Congress had broad lawmaking authority under the Commerce Clause, the power was limited, and did not extend so far from "commerce" as to authorize the regulation of the carrying of handguns, especially when there was no evidence that carrying them affected the economy on a massive scale.[11]
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Do you understand that,Parados?
 

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