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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 30 Dec, 2009 10:53 am
@JamesMorrison,
Thanks, JamesMorrison, for these two links from which I am posting excerpts here. It's clear to me that Obama's objective includes equalizing wealth among nations as well as equalizing wealth within nations. Achieving those objectives will of course enhance Obama's power while diminishing the liberty of those humans, not part of the Obama gang, to lawfully achieve to the best of their ability what they seek .

In other words, the Obama gang are OTCs (Obama Thieving Coveters). OTCs are seeking to diminish the liberty endowed other individual humans by God.
Quote:

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/29/the-obama-administration-gives-interpol-more-favorable-rights-than-american-law-enforcement-agencies/
For no discernible reason whatsoever, last Wednesday when no one was looking, Barack Obama signed an executive order giving all immunities of foreign powers to Interpol.

In other words, Interpol is now in a better position than any American law enforcement institution that operates on American soil. It cannot have its records searched or seized and it is not subject to the restraints of sunshine and transparency that FOIA requests can bring.

At a time when Obama is worried about ensuring the rights of terrorists against the abuses of the American government, he has no problem surrendering American rights to an arm of the United Nations.
This is extremely important because it comports with Barack Obama’s world view in ways harmful to American sovereignty. Obama has said repeatedly that he views no nation as greater than any other nation. He has said repeatedly that one nation should not be able to impose its will on another. He applies this even to the United States.

In Barack Obama’s world, the United States is no better and no worse than Iran, China, North Korea, or Kenya. In his world view, we are all players on an international stage with the United Nations as the leader. Therefore, while Obama will not give up American sovereignty to Peru, he is perfectly happy to give up sovereignty to the United Nations.

The man is not just an amateur. He is also a damnably naive fool.

This is also a backdoor to the International Criminal Court (”ICC”). The United States chose, before Obama took office, to avoid the ICC. Interpol has become the law enforcement arm of the ICC. By taking away the limits to Interpol’s immunity in the United States, Barack Obama has freed the organization up to conduct criminal investigations of individuals inside the United States on behalf of the ICC without any of us knowing about it.

And who does the ICC want to investigate? The lawyers, CIA operatives, and soldiers who have defended the United States in the War on Terror by setting up GTMO and prosecuting the war. These men and women now have yet another deterrent to keep them from being fully effective " the fear of an international criminal investigation that they don’t even know about.

How many Americans will get killed because of the policies Barack Obama is employing to undermine our safety and security in a dangerous world?

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http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGY3MTI4YTRjZmYwMGU1ZjZhOGJmNmQ0NmJiZDNmMDY
On Wednesday, however, for no apparent reason, President Obama issued an executive order removing the Reagan limitations. That is, Interpol's property and assets are no longer subject to search and confiscation, and its archives are now considered inviolable. This international police force (whose U.S. headquarters is in the Justice Department in Washington) will be unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law while it operates in the United States and affects both Americans and American interests outside the United States.


Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 30 Dec, 2009 12:15 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:

The wealth of the rich does not stagnate.
It is invested in that which produces new jobs and maintain existing jobs.
It purchases the work and wealth opportunities, commodities, products, services, and facilities that produce new jobs and maintains existing jobs.


This is essentially an argument for economic feudalism. No thanks.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 30 Dec, 2009 12:22 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
ican has myopia; many millionaires lost their wealth in 2008. Bill Gates and Warren Buffett lost billions.

Many of the wealthy in foreign countries also lost their wealth in 2008; many became paupers.

If the wealth of the rich does not stagnate, how come investments in new companies are so low compared to other years before 2008?

Quote:
WASHINGTON, July 21, 2009 " Venture capitalists invested $3.7 billion in 612 deals
in the second quarter of 2009, according to the MoneyTree™ Report from
PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP (PwC) and the National Venture Capital Association
(NVCA), based on data provided by Thomson Reuters. Quarterly investment activity
increased 15 percent in terms in dollars and remained essentially flat in number of deals
as compared to the first quarter of 2009 when $3.2 billion was invested in 603 deals.
Based upon the $6.9 billion invested during the first half of 2009, the annual total for the
full year will most likely mirror the venture investing levels seen in 1996 and 1997 when
annual investment levels ranged from $11 billion to $14 billion.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 30 Dec, 2009 12:40 pm
What the invidious fools who support the OTC (Obama Thieving Coveters) gang cannot accept is their economic dependence on the upper class. They think that reducing the lawful wealth of the upper class will somehow make their lives better, because they expect it will placate some of their damn envy. Their expectation is doomed to failure, because the envious cannot shed their envy as long as there is anyone who has more, regardless of how much more they have.

When the government taxes any of the dollars lawfully earned by the upper class at a greater rate than the 15% it taxes most of the dollars lawfully earned by me, they limit my opportunity to prosper from my own efforts. This is true because my income is dependent on how much the upper class spends and how much it invests. Indeed, the price of what I pay for what I buy, depends more directly on the inflation government causes by its excessive tax and spend policies, than what the upper class charges for what it produces. That's true because the upper class must compete with what those in its own class charge as well as with what those in the middle and lower classes charge. But the government doesn't have to compete for anything other than votes that depend on who and what it takes from and on who and what it gives to.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 30 Dec, 2009 12:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Cice, wealth that is lost is not wealth that stagnates. Loss and stagnation are two different things.

Yes, the loss of some wealth by some of the upper class causes some of the rest of us to lose some wealth. And the maintenance or increase of wealth by some of the upper class helps some of us maintain or increase our wealth.

Wealth that stagnates is wealth that is neither invested or spent. It is wealth that is not lost but nevertheless benefits no one.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 30 Dec, 2009 01:00 pm
I know ican made two posts after mine, but I have him on Ignore. Will somebody please respond to his stupid answers?
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 30 Dec, 2009 04:36 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
ican711nm wrote:
The wealth of the rich does not stagnate.
It is invested in that which produces new jobs and maintain existing jobs.
It purchases the work and wealth opportunities, commodities, products, services, and facilities that produce new jobs and maintains existing jobs.

Cycloptichorn wrote:
This is essentially an argument for economic feudalism. No thanks.

Statism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, and Nazism are different forms of economic fuedalism. But free market capitalism is not any form of economic fuedalism.

All participants in free maarket capitalism are free to try to achieve any lawful objective. The fact that their efforts are made more achievable by the successful investments and purchases of the upper class is a blessing not a curse. Furthermore, the fact that those living under free market capitalism have many more choices of what they can buy and invest in, makes their lives far better than the lives of those living under economic fuedalism.

Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=feudalism&x=24&y=7
Main Entry: feu·dal·ism
...
1 a : the system of polity flourishing in Europe from the 9th to about the 15th centuries, based upon the relation of lord to vassal with the holding of all land in fee (as of the king), and having as its principal incidents homage, service of tenants under arms and in court, wardship, and forfeiture b : the principles or relations and usages on which the feudal system was based
...
2 : any social system in which great landowners or hereditary overlords exact revenue from the land and also exercise the functions of government in their domains
3 : control by an entrenched minority especially for its own benefit : social, political, or economic oligarchy
...

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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=capitalism&x=27&y=12
Main Entry: cap·i·tal·ism
...
: an economic system characterized by private or corporation ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision rather than by state control, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly in a free market
...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2009 10:35 am
Quote:
Rush Limbaugh 'resting comfortably' after being rushed to Honolulu hospital with chest pains


He's at Queens hospital; my nephew is a physician there.
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2009 06:26 pm
@ican711nm,
From the relative article:
Quote:
"The man is not just an amateur. He is also a damnably naive fool."

So why does the author label President Obama a Fool? Well, because he is...
Quote:
"...taking away the limits to Interpol’s immunity in the United States, [therefore] Barack Obama has freed the organization up to conduct criminal investigations of individuals inside the United States on behalf of the ICC without any of us knowing about it."
Who brings such charges before the ICC? Essentially any one that feels aggreived by the 'defendant's ' actions, political or military. Just recently the ICC considered prosecuting both Israel and the Palestinian Authority -- that should make a ME peace that much easier, right?.

But,
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"... who does the ICC want to investigate? The lawyers, CIA operatives, and soldiers who have defended the United States in the War on Terror by setting up GTMO and prosecuting the war. "


But surely there is no reason to stop there! Why wouldn't the guy in charge who gave the orders that set all this evil self defense stuff in motion be held responsible? Viola! The liberals get their ultimate revenge on former American President George W. Bush. But what is good for the Republican goose is good for the Democratic gander. What if the 'international community', via the ICC, suddenly finds fault with the chief administrator of Obama's Excellent Afghan Adventure? What will the apologetic American President do when they come for him? Can he use his Nobel Prize as a Get Out of Jail Free card?

JM
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2009 07:43 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

I predict a Republican gain of 15-20 seats in the House, simply because the Dems have expanded as far as reasonably possible, have a lot of ground to defend, and also due to historical patterns and traditions. In the Senate, I predict a Republican gain of 2-4 seats for the same reasons; both houses will remain solidly under Democratic control.
Cycloptichorn


Cyclo has (strange to me) inclinations to view himself as a spokesman for all Democrats and to make very specific predictions for the future. The last one I recall was that President Obama would sign new health care legislation containing a viable "public option" no later than October.

I wonder if this prediction will fare any better.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 31 Dec, 2009 07:55 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob, Are you keeping score?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jan, 2010 01:04 pm
Quote:

http://americangrandjury.org/category/agj-editorial
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I went back and read some of Carter’s words and was stunned by his lack of knowledge of the Constitution or even a basic understanding of what is really going on here.

Here is the stunner.. the Judge is truly preaching to the liberal loonies when he made this statement:

Judge Carter wrote:
There may very well be a legitimate role for the judiciary to interpret whether the natural born citizen requirement has been satisfied in the case of a presidential candidate who has not already won the election and taken office. However, on the day that President Obama took the presidential oath and was sworn in, he became president of the United States. Any removal of him from the presidency must be accomplished through the Constitution’s mechanisms for the removal of a president, either through impeachment or the succession process set forth in the Twenty-Fifth Amendment.


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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jan, 2010 01:33 pm
@georgeob1,
The mid-term elections are 10 months away. There will be countless predictions about how Congress might be split.
Cyclops made one, and you ridiculed him for it, Georgeob, citing the public option in the health care bills, which didn't make the final cut.
Cheap shot.
Did you know that there were folks who predicted McCain-Palin would win?
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jan, 2010 03:58 pm
@realjohnboy,
Realjohnboy, we do not know yet whether the "public option" will make the final cut in the reconciliation process--that starts Monday--between House and Senate versions of the Healthcare Bill. It surely depends on how much Obama bribes/coerces the Democrats in Congress to pass the "public option." All Obama now needs is majority votes in each house of Congress to pass the "public option."
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jan, 2010 04:03 pm
@realjohnboy,
Nonsense. It wasn't a cheap shot at all. Folks who are given to such ponderous specific predictions about an unknowable future deserve the ridicule - particularly if they already have a poor track record.
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jan, 2010 04:20 pm
@georgeob1,
Who was it that said something like: "I never do predictions, especially about the future”?

But seriously, what will be interesting to see in November of 2010 is the stripe of both Republican and Democrat winning candidates. I've seen the argument that Corzine (NJ) and Deeds (VA) were weak candidates and that is why the conservatives won those elections. However, if the losers were the weaker candidates that would make the winners the stronger (obvious, I know). But this begs the obvious question: Why were they stronger? In VA the conservative slate swept the state ( http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/11/04/mcdonnell-republicans-sweep-virginia/ ). Could it be possible that those same VA voters who helped sweep Obama into the presidency see something they don't like represented in the party and its candidates that the President leads?

If so, and given some of the grassroots movements tending towards traditional conservative thought, perhaps state voters in 2010 may choose congressional candidates that lean rightward. Conservative movements such as Red State have had success in FL with Marco Rubio against those who have support of the Republican establishment like FL Gov. Crist who is a Moderate Republican, at best. So successful have the grassroots conservatives been that we see Erick Erickson of Red State predicting Crist will probably drop out of the Senate race and settle for a shot at a second gubernatorial term.

Simply put, the increase/decrease in the Republican/Democratic congressional balance is only one side of the coin. The other is whether the Republican party establishment will see value in promoting true conservatives for election with those winning candidates more dedicated to true conservative principles and, depending on this result, whether those new and incumbent Dems in congress see the wisdom (or political survival advantage) of voting with those with true conservative views. As I said before if the voters decide to move right so will congress and thereby actually increase President Obama's chance of having a more successful presidency, at least in the eyes of the majority of Americans.

Oh! Happy New Year to All!!

JM
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jan, 2010 05:39 pm
@JamesMorrison,
Nice post, JM. I agree with most of it.
It is probably appropriate that the likes of Cyclops, Cicerone and I bow out of this thread and leave yall to discuss the future of the Republican Party and its conservative wing.
Ican, a couple of posts ago, was still into the anti-Obama "Birther" thing. Is that what defines the conservatives? Is that what they will be running on against incumbent Dems or Repubs.

I started a thread a month or so ago called "Oh, No! Election Day is Tuesday, November 2nd, 2010" where predictions, such as Cyclops' are welcome. I hope to see yall there.

P.S. Watch Marco Rubio
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jan, 2010 07:39 pm
@JamesMorrison,
I also believe that the republican party has to be much more than the No Party to win elections.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jan, 2010 07:39 pm
@realjohnboy,
True conservatives will run primarily on rescuing our county's rule of law and Constitutional Republic.

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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jan, 2010 09:35 am
Ican,
You are beating a dead horse.
Obama is the President, he is a US citizen, having been born in Hawaii, and unless you want to remove him by force (which I strongly advise against), he will be President till at least 2012.

My sister was also born in Hawaii, and she doesnt have a copy of her birth certificate either, she does however have the same paper from Hawaii that Obama has.
It was good enough for her to get a passport, for her to get a govt job, and is accepted in every state and country as a birth certificate.
 

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