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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2009 10:11 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
And how many Marxists are there in this country, cyclops? Once the population figures out that Obama is not a centrist Democrat, but is the most liberal leftist virtual Commie Democrat that has ever been in office, the voters should sweep anyone out of Congress that has supported any of Obama's destructive policies. That will include virtually every Democrat in Congress, so it should not take a specific Republican to win, just about any stripe of Republican should be able to whip the Democrats and sweep them back home where they can get a real job for a change.

The Democratic Party is the most corrupt and the most radical party, by far, that I have witnessed in my entire lifetime in this country. It truly will be important turning points for the country the next two elections. It will determine the character of the country, and it will determine if most of the people really do value liberty and freedom, or if they will continue to support pro-Marxist politicians.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 25 Dec, 2009 11:53 pm
@okie,
Quote:
Once the population figures out that Obama is not a centrist Democrat, but is the most liberal leftist virtual Commie Democrat that has ever been in office, the voters should sweep anyone out of Congress that has supported any of Obama's destructive policies.


So, yeah. When exactly do you figure this is going to happen, Okie? Hasn't happened yet. What are you or your politicians going to say or do to convince people of this, that they aren't already doing? I'd love to hear.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Dec, 2009 12:22 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
When exactly do you figure this is going to happen, Okie?
Cycloptichorn

As I said, once the population figures it out. If the polls are an indicator, they are increasingly wising up, more and more.
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Sat 26 Dec, 2009 04:34 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
JamesMorrison (Post 3854722)

Quote:
Why Has Parker Griffin changed to the Republican Party? His party is currently in the Majority in Congress along with a radical leftist Democrat in the White House. Perhaps those who consider themselves Democrats/Progressives/Liberals would indulge us with an answer.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
How hard is this to understand? He is from a very conservative district, and had commissioned a poll which showed that he would lose if he ran as a Democrat. Do not confuse self-preservation with some sort of indication of a shift in our country's politics.


I must admire your steely grip of the obvious in answering my rhetorical question, after all it isn't like we have not seen this unprincipled behavior in congress before Sen. Spector. But surely we must ask what precipitated this event of ‘self-preservation’ in Griffin’s career and why he didn’t become, say, an Independent? Indeed you yourself admit his decision was informed by how his constituents feel. This combined with results in Virginia and New Jersey do seem to point to voters that see some value in conservative political thought. However, rhetorical questions are posed not for their obvious answers but for reflection upon those answers and their future ramifications. It is the rest of my post that addresses the lack of principle that is manifest in Spector and Griffin like triangulation. The point is: given one is a governmental minimalist and individual rightist, why vote for a politician that votes contrary to those principles most of the time like Griffin and Scozzafava? Indeed on the other side of the aisle should liberals trust Spector? Exactly what deep liberal principles would Specter say morally justify his recent epiphany (His is also triangulation but sweetened by a Biden Guarantee)? You essentially admit that this, along with Griffin’s is validated only by some kind of right of self presevation. If so, given the context, this conclusion implies a right to hold congressional office. This, like other rights the leftist invent (right to a income, good wage, housing, or right to health care), is nonsense. Indeed, what rights do democrats/liberals/progressives hold as Deep Principles that do NOT ultimately violate the basic rights memorialized in the Declaration of Independence or the U.S. Constitution? Is there any that do not involve altruistic moralizing or the erroneous reasoning and conclusion of collective rights? These two concepts have been the bain of individual rights for a long long time. The former sets up the main contradiction in Christianity and the latter allows a select few to rule over all the rest.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
Your inability to understand that there are many different, and valid, forms of Conservatism will be the downfall of your party. It's as if you don't realize that your 'Conservatives With Deep Principles' - what is it with you guys and acronyms, anyway? - represent a small segment of the country, no more than 20% or so. If you cannot find ways to make meaningful alliances with those who are not exactly ideologically like yourselves, you will be doomed to failure every time.


This obviously assumes I am a republican. This assumption is false, but I must acknowledge your point and admit the current fact that members of the Republican party number about 20-23% (at the very most). Registered Democrats probably number more but not the balance. Today we all know who presently decides elections"Independent voters. So we MACs must present our case intelligently and clearly and in a focused manner that choses a select few issues. A good example is the governor’s race in Virginia where the victor defined and hammered on two issues the electorate was concerned about: expanding government intrusion into their lives and its ever increasing deficit spending. Interestingly, the loser in that race, unlike Corzine in Jersey (property taxes), tried to distance himself from the Obama Admin. They still both lost. So despite your observation of my “…inability to understand that there are many different, and valid, forms of Conservatism…” I believe that rigid adherence to those conservative economic principles that concern the electorate is the key to success in the upcoming midterms. Add to the mix the very real possibility of continuing high real un/underemployment and another “Stimulus By Any Other Name but ‘Stimulus’ “ and voter’s ire may indicate something less than love of Democratic ‘Principles’. Indeed, the best Obama may be able to hope for is a Republican Congress (Newt/Clinton like) that will force him to adopt conservative job creating and market stimulating policies that could make him look good and, maybe, even allow him another term.

JM
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 26 Dec, 2009 06:28 pm
@JamesMorrison,
Quote:
You essentially admit that this, along with Griffin’s is validated only by some kind of right of self presevation. If so, given the context, this conclusion implies a right to hold congressional office


A 'right to office?' I certainly don't believe that exists. I think Griffin was acting in the interests of self-preservation, and nothing else. It is up to his constituents to decide whether or not to reward this move with re-election; but consider the alternative. Primarying Griffin with a more Conservative candidate is a viable option but runs the danger of splitting the local party and vote machine; this runs a high possibility of allowing the opposing Dem to win, such as we have seen in NY-23 and several other districts.

Quote:
Indeed on the other side of the aisle should liberals trust Spector?


As far as we can throw him. He has been a reliable vote since the switch, however, in large part because the party bosses have promised to protect him from the upstart primary challenger Sestak. I can understand why they did (60th vote is too tempting to pass up) but we'll see how it will work out in the end. I think that Pat Toomey has a large chance of getting elected, not based on anything having to do with him at all.

Quote:
aSo we MACs must present our case intelligently and clearly and in a focused manner that choses a select few issues.


2010 is a few days away and campaigns will begin in earnest very quickly; who is going to present this clear and focused argument for your side? Surely you understand that your side completely and totally lacks a unified leadership, which is key to having a unified message. Newt's 1994 revolution would never have happened without a forceful leader, someone who could present a valid ideological difference to the majority Democrats.

Thanks to some poor planning on the part of the Republican party last year, your leadership options are really limited and have been polluted by the toxic Palin, a lady who excites a tiny majority and incites disgust in the rest of the electorate. I know that in a few years Marc Rubio will be a strong voice and force for your party but I don't believe he is there yet.

You guys better get in gear. Polling still shows that the country favors the Dems over the Republicans (though not by much). You know that the signing of the health-care bill will give Obama and the Dems a boost, and that is extremely likely to happen at this point. Obama will also campaign for many Dems which will help.

Quote:
A good example is the governor’s race in Virginia where the victor defined and hammered on two issues the electorate was concerned about: expanding government intrusion into their lives and its ever increasing deficit spending. Interestingly, the loser in that race, unlike Corzine in Jersey (property taxes), tried to distance himself from the Obama Admin. They still both lost.


In this case, you definitely had two loser Dem candidates running. Corzine had failed to deliver on many campaign promises and Deeds ran a terrible campaign, one in which he ran away from many of the very things that Virginians voted for.

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I believe that rigid adherence to those conservative economic principles that concern the electorate is the key to success in the upcoming midterms.


And I believe that you are absolutely incorrect, for the vast majority of Americans are either actively hostile towards that economic belief or skeptical of it. This is compounded by the fact that voters know that they have been lied to by this same group before; the same Republican Senators and Congressmen who crow daily about the deficit voted for hundreds of billions of dollars of unfunded spending under Bush, and consistently took action AGAINST regulating the insurance and investment markets over the last several years. There simply isn't a lot of trust out there that putting the same group back in charge will lead to a substantially different result than last time. And why would there be?

Every Republican I know hates the current Republican leadership for various reasons, and most of them - like yourself- pretend that they aren't even members of the party any longer, though much like yourself I suspect they will continue to vote for the Republican on a reliable basis.

I predict a Republican gain of 15-20 seats in the House, simply because the Dems have expanded as far as reasonably possible, have a lot of ground to defend, and also due to historical patterns and traditions. In the Senate, I predict a Republican gain of 2-4 seats for the same reasons; both houses will remain solidly under Democratic control.

Obama will have to abandon the ACES bill passed in the House, because the Senate will not pass it this year. He may be able to move a smaller and more focused climate change bill in the Senate. I think there is a good chance that they can pass an aggressive financial sector regulation bill in the face of populist anger at that group. I wouldn't bet on anything else until after the election next year.

Cycloptichorn
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Dec, 2009 07:11 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
[quote="Cycloptichorn]

2010 is a few days away and campaigns will begin in earnest very quickly.

I predict a Republican gain of 15-20 seats in the House, simply because the Dems have expanded as far as reasonably possible, have a lot of ground to defend, and also due to historical patterns and traditions. In the Senate, I predict a Republican gain of 2-4 seats for the same reasons; both houses will remain solidly under Democratic control.

Cycloptichorn
[/quote]

I commend you for the early, early projections. I must admit that I have been preoccupied with trying to sell stuff at my retail stores and with finishing the NFL games on A2K. But I have set up links to most if not all of the Congressional races.

There are many folks, on whatever side, who will claim that:
The media is biased;
The only polls that matter are the ones on election day;
I only listen to the talk show babblers. Whatever they say is the truth.

It is a given that a lot will happen between now and November. The economy, the wars, threats of domestic terrorism and other issues as yet unknown.
I think that Congress, weary of health care, will lay back and not take on any new contentious issues.
We should probably start a new thread on A2K devoted to the elections in November, 2010.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 26 Dec, 2009 07:23 pm
@realjohnboy,
The "contentious" issue has already been voted and approved; the expansion of the federal deficit.
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2009 03:18 pm
The folowing is a surprising excerpt from Maureen Dowd's Dec 26th column: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/opinion/27dowd.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

Quote:
...Ladies and Gentlemen,

Who could have guessed on Nov. 4, 2008, that the mood this Christmas would be so festive? Yet a feeling of optimism pervades as we watch the old Christmas movies and marvel at the winter wonderland on the Mall illuminated by our national Christmas tree. (No offense to that ardent Catholic Nancy Pelosi, who would prefer “holiday tree.”)

The Republicans, of course, got exactly what they deserved in 2006 and 2008 mainly because they acted like Democrats. Deficit spending and sex scandals are not a good recipe for success.

But by forcing through a government takeover of health care, the auto industry and the banks, the president and his Congressional henchmen have brought us in a time machine to Russia 1917. These massive changes have been done in secret and along bullying, straight party-line votes.

It is stunning to watch rich lawmakers driving their own expensive cars off the cliff and signing on to such a socialist agenda. In dismissing the tea parties and pushing through plans the American people obviously don’t want, they have made the fatal disconnect between the representatives and the represented.

President Obama continues life in the H.O.V. lane, fawned over by the press and the crowned heads of Europe. In between apologies, the president should have reminded those pompous blowhards that without our interference, they would all be speaking German.

My dad was a D.C. policeman, and I would like to apologize (not “recalibrate”) to the Cambridge police for the president’s assumption that they “acted stupidly.” You would think that Mr. Obama would have afforded the police the same consideration he gave to the mass-murdering Muslim Army major when he said: “I would caution against jumping to conclusions.”

The Fort Hood massacre was a direct result of Army policy too concerned with political correctness and “celebrating diversity.” It was a terrorist attack by any definition and the government still cannot say it.

President Obama should remember that Icarus tried to fly to the sun because, as he said, “it is the only thing in the universe that can match my brilliance.” How did that work out?

Here are some reflections for 2009:

To President Obama: Thank you for saving the Republican Party and for teaching all of us that too much of anything is a bad thing.

To Bill Clinton: You did too much work on Northern Ireland for the Nobel committee. Next time, do nothing.

To Harry and Nancy: “The Twilight Zone” once had an episode where the town got the exact opposite of what it wanted. Farewell, Harry!

To John McCain: Thank you for your chivalry in banning Palin attack dogs " including my sister " from the campaign plane.

To Sarah Palin: Keep up the good work. Anyone who annoys Keith Olbermann that much is a friend to all of us.

To Glenn Beck: Thanks for being the only journalist interested in stories that used to win Pulitzer Prizes.

To Al Franken: So, 250 years of Senate tradition trashed. Stuart Smalley would have done better.

To Desirée Rogers: Get back to the gate. Vince Vaughn and Owen Wilson can’t get in.

To the Salahis: Thank you for showing us that shame has no bottom.

To Valerie Jarrett: So much for the Olympic Village in Chicago. Whoops.

To Chris Dodd: The only thing lower than your polls is your mortgage interest rate.

To Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mike Mullen: The military should be more interested in the men and women who serve than in celebrating diversity.

To the Democratic senators: Go last next time; the bribes are much bigger.

To Sheldon Whitehouse: You, senator, are an idiot.

To Dick Cheney: You, sir, are a patriot. Thanks for firing back.

To President Bush: Thank you for your dignity. Did you really start the plague in the 14th century? Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

To Hillary: Who knew how much you would be missed?

To Al Gore: A global warming conference in the middle of a Copenhagen blizzard is not a good visual.

To Max Baucus, Eliot Spitzer and John Edwards: Party on, dudes.

To John Ensign, Mark Sanford and David Vitter: Don’t party on, dudes.


I KNOW!! Has Ms. Dowd seen the light? Not quite, here is the first few paragraphs of that column:
Quote:
As my brother Kevin headed off to Christmas Eve Mass in the Maryland suburbs, I asked him how he thought the first year of Barack Obama had gone.

He didn’t have to pray long over that one. “Fine,” he replied, “if you like unmitigated disasters like the Hindenburg and the Redskins season.”

If it’s Christmas, it must be time for my conservative brother to take over my column and turn it a blazing shade of red.

So without further ado, here is Kevin unplugged, offering a perspective from “the real America,” as one of his favorite Republican philosophers, Sarah Palin, likes to put it:


I wish for all of you and yours a Happy Holiday season. Very Happy Very Happy

JM
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2009 06:23 pm
Really, it's all very simple.

If you want others to be FORCED to share their lawfully earned wealth with you, then vote for Liberal Democrats.

If you do not want to be FORCED to share your own lawfully earned wealth with anyone, then vote for Conservative Republicans.

If you want better job opportunities for yourself, then vote for those who would CUT taxes on the rich.

If you want worse job opportunities for the rich, then vote for those who would RAISE taxes on the rich.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2009 06:36 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

If you want better job opportunities for yourself, then vote for those who would CUT taxes on the rich.

That would make a great bumper sticker.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2009 07:01 pm
@realjohnboy,
rjb, From what ican and okie posts on these boards about cutting taxes for the rich, it seems all conservatives must still have jobs and are all wealthy. Bush cut taxes, and millions lost their jobs.

What will these same people advocating for more tax cuts for the rich do when inflation begins to impact their wages/income, because of the increasing deficit that will continue to weaken the US dollar?



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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2009 07:11 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Really, it's all very simple.

This is a great way to identify how shallow your comprehension is on a topic. There are very few dumb ideas in the world, but there are plenty of over-simplified ones.

ican711nm wrote:

If you want others to be FORCED to share their lawfully earned wealth with you, then vote for Liberal Democrats.

How much tax money is collected and how it is spent (and thus who is benefits) are two separate things.

ican711nm wrote:

If you do not want to be FORCED to share your own lawfully earned wealth with anyone, then vote for Conservative Republicans.

See above. Lower taxes for the wealthy just transfer wealth upwards where is stagnates.

Conservative Republicans FORCE poorer people to share their lawfully earned money with the rich.

ican711nm wrote:

If you want better job opportunities for yourself, then vote for those who would CUT taxes on the rich.

Because the rich are entitled to be rich? This only supports a broken philosophy.

ican711nm wrote:

If you want worse job opportunities for the rich, then vote for those who would RAISE taxes on the rich.

This just doesn't make sense. Do you have some weird distorted view of the world where the rich are the ones struggling? Struggling to what? Have a job? Stay rich? That's called an argument from entitlement.

T
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2009 11:21 pm
ican thinks that if you want better job opportunities for yourself, you should vote to cut taxes on the rich. Wrong. No correlation. If you want better job opportunities for yourself, vote Democratic. Proven correlation. EVERY Democratic president since Herbert Hoover has a better record of job creation than ANY Republican president since then. Once or twice, pure chance. EVERY time? Due to chance? Very improbable. The outcome speaks for itself. Democratic policies work. Republican and conservative policies don't.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Dec, 2009 01:13 am
@MontereyJack,
MJ, And these conservatives believe they're going to win the next presidential election with Sarah Palin.

What ever happened to their common sense?

I even remember a time when John McCain was a pretty rational guy, but he lost it several years ago. They must have eaten the same diet (or taken the same drugs).
wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 28 Dec, 2009 09:53 am
@cicerone imposter,
I have seen the light. Sarah Palin is the best hope for our future.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Dec, 2009 11:10 am
The following article pretty much summarizes what happened to GWBush's tax cuts and job creation. The biggest mystery of all is the simple fact that no conservative lost their jobs between 2003 and now, because they all found jobs and are now happily employed/working, and they still advocate for more tax cuts for the wealthy.

From njpp.org:
Quote:
Was Job Creation the Real Intent of Federal Tax Cuts?
By Jon Shure

When trying to figure out if something worked, sometimes it helps to go back and look at the reasons why it was done.

If, for example, you said it was necessary to go to war against a country because it had weapons of mass destruction and it later turned out there were no such weapons, well, that would be something to take into consideration. Or if you said you wanted to overhaul Social Security because its survival was at stake and it was really the case that there was no crisis at all.

It's the same with the federal income tax cuts. The official reason they were undertaken was to create jobs and improve the economy. We know this for the simple reason that the tax cuts have a name: the "Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003."

When the rate reduction package became law in July 2003, the people who supported it did not shrink from bold predictions about how many more people would be working as a result of the wonderful things it would do. The president's Council of Economic Advisors (hint: do not hire this group to help you with your family finances if you want to stay afloat) said that by the end of 2004 the nation would see the creation of 5.5 million jobs. To be perfectly fair, the CEA actually said back in 2003 that with no policy change there would be 4.1 million new jobs and the extra added kick from tax cuts would create another 1.4 million. But it still adds up to 5.5 million.

We can afford to be charitable here because, no matter how you look at it, the economic advisors' crystal ball was as accurate as predicting the Knicks would be NBA champs. Actually, you could argue that the Knicks will come closer, because total job growth nationwide was just 3.1 million. If you want to be happy with that number, go ahead. But it's awfully hard to make the case that we needed tax cuts if they so miserably failed to deliver on their promises. (one apparent advantage of politics over sports: George Bush got to keep his job; Lenny Wilkens didn't)

If it's any consolation, New Jersey did better than most places. Over the 18 months from July 2003 to the end of 2004, the state became home to 107,000 new jobs. But if the tax cuts had been what they were cracked up to be, you could have tacked on another 54,000. A note on methodology here: we know this because the Washington-based Economic Policy Institute crunched the numbers and came up with a formula for calculating how many of the 5.5 million new jobs each state ought to have expected. As it happened, only Hawaii and Wyoming met the targets.

Pennsylvania did worse than New Jersey. Its job-creation projection was 171,000 and only 45,500 materialized, for a shortfall of 126,000. In fact, Pennsylvania is one of 29 states where the number of people employed at the end of 2004 was actually lower than when the last recession began in March 2001. New Jersey just missed being in that dubious group, having seen 2 percent job growth during those 45 months. But even that isn't as good as it sounds. During that same period, New Jersey's working age population actually grew by 3.4 percent. If job growth kept up with population growth, another 56,000 persons would be working in the state.


Oh, one more thing; they all got their tax cuts, and want more to transfer this deficit to our children and grandchildren.

Nice people, these conservatives!
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 28 Dec, 2009 04:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The truth!
Quote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2051527/posts
Partial History of U.S. Federal Income Tax Rates
Highest and lowest Income Tax Rates 1971 to 2009
...
1971-1981: minimum = 14%; maximum = 70% [CARTER 1977-1981]

1982-1986: minimum = 11%; maximum = 50% [REAGAN 1981-1989]

1987-1987: minimum = 11%; maximum = 38.5%

1988-1990: minimum = 15%; maximum = 33% [BUSH 41 1989-1993]

1991-1992: minimum = 15%; maximum = 31%

1993-2000: minimum = 15%; maximum = 39.6% [CLINTON 1993-2001]

2001- 2001: minimum = 15%; maximum = 39.1%

2002-2002: minimum = 10%; maximum = 38.6% [BUSH 43 2001-2009]

2003-2009: minimum = 10%; maximum = 35%


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ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
HISTORY OF TOTAL USA EMPLOYMENT 1980 - 2009

....Total USA Employed.....Change
Carter
1980…… 99,302,000………….. + 7,285,000
Reagan
1984….. 105,005,000…………...+ 5,703,000
Reagan
1988….. 114,968,000…………...+ 9,963,000
Bush I
1992….. 118,492,000…………...+ 3,524,000
Clinton
1996….. 126,708,000…………...+ 8,216,000
Clinton
2000….. 136,891,000…………...+ 10,183,000
Bush II
2004….. 139,252,000…………...+ 2,361,000
Bush II
2008….. 145,362,000…………...+ 6,110,000
Obama
As of October 2009 ....138,275,000.........- 7,087,000

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 28 Dec, 2009 05:35 pm
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:
Lower taxes for the wealthy just transfer wealth upwards where is stagnates.

The wealth of the rich does not stagnate.
It is invested in that which produces new jobs and maintain existing jobs.
It purchases the work and wealth opportunities, commodities, products, services, and facilities that produce new jobs and maintains existing jobs.

If it weren't for those who were or became rich, a very large majority of us would not be enjoying the work and wealth opportunities, the commodities, products, services, and facilities we enjoy.

It's long past time you recognize:
(1) damn thieving coveting supresses one's drive and initiative to lawfully increase their wealth;
(2) those who lawfully become and/or maintain their wealth do it as a natural consequence of paying or investing in others who also become wealthier than they would otherwise;
(3) gaining wealth is not a zero sum game, where people become wealthy at the expense of others becoming poorer;
(4) gaining wealth is positive sum game, where people who become wealthy create more wealth for everyone;
(5) those who have tought you otherwise are nothing more than damn thieving coveters;
(6) most wealthy failed multiple times before they became wealthy;
(7) you too must work and invest to achieve what you want to achieve, and that will help us all.
JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Wed 30 Dec, 2009 09:11 am
@ican711nm,
ICAN AND OTHER CONSERVATIVES,

Have you seen this?

From Redstate: http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/29/the-obama-administration-gives-interpol-more-favorable-rights-than-american-law-enforcement-agencies/

NRO's Andy McCarthy: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGY3MTI4YTRjZmYwMGU1ZjZhOGJmNmQ0NmJiZDNmMDY=

JM
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 30 Dec, 2009 09:58 am
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:

This just doesn't make sense. Do you have some weird distorted view of the world where the rich are the ones struggling? Struggling to what? Have a job? Stay rich? That's called an argument from entitlement.

T
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I have never been employed by a poor person, have you?
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