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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2009 04:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
The second part of your post only shows how ignorant you are. Economic growth during the period you cited was based on a) consumers going into debt, b) savings rate dropping below zero, c) providing credit to those who didn't have the means to pay it back, and d) government laxity of fiscal management.

Please provide a link or links to the evidence that supports your post.

Also please provide a link or links that state the reasons for your a), b), and c).

Also please provide a link or links that provide evidence that supports those reasons.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2009 04:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Cicerone imposter, I showed you examples in those bills of the federal government transferring some of its federal tax revenue to those who did not lawfully earn it. The federal tax revenue came from private people or private organizations that lawfully earned it.

Thus, I showed you hose bills are REDistributing wealth: that is, are REDistributing wealth from those who lawfully earned it to those who did not lawfully earn it.
QED.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2009 06:05 pm
MUch as I hate to sound "whiny", if this were a repub then both parties would be (rightfully) demanding he resign.
Instead, he gets mild criticism and he gets defended by Steny Hoyer, another dem.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28763.html

Quote:
Republicans and Democrats slammed Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) for calling Linda Robertson, an adviser to Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, a “K Street whore” in a month-old radio interview that circulated on Capitol Hill Monday night.


“There’s no call for that language. No call for it. That’s absurd. If he was standing here now, I’d say that to him,” said Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.)



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2009 06:38 pm
@mysteryman,
Nothing new on capital hill; both parties are guilty of name calling. One of the biggest was at SOU speech by Obama when a republican congressman called him a "liar." Never happened before; that was a first.

BTW, I believe Obama is a liar.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 05:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I wanna go off topic for a minute and ask a question.
You have said many times, most recently on your Vietnam thread, that the US has committed many evil acts and crimes and we need to examine ourselves (or words to that effect).

Now while I agree with the general sentiment ( I think you are concentrating to hard on the negative), you seem to think, IMHO, it is an entirely American fault.

Like you, I have been to the war relics museum in Vietnam.
I went when I took my dad to Vietnam.

I dont remember seeing any memorials or tributes to the thousands of S. Vietnamese civilians that were raped, tortured, and murdered by the NVA and their Viet Cong allies, simply for not wanting to live under communism.

Did you see any?

My point is that it isnt strictly an American blindness, it exists worldwide, with every country.
The only one I would excuse from that is Germany, simply because the world wont let them forget what they were responsible for.

Quote:
BTW, I believe Obama is a liar.


Surprisingly, I dont.
I think he campaigned on his dream and vision of what America can be, sprinkled with some "pie in the sky" imagination.
Since he was sworn in, I think reality has caught up to him, and now he is caught.
He now realizes he cant keep his promises, but doesnt seem to want to admit it.
His aides and advisors are still living in dreamland, telling him that he can be everything to everyone.

He has, IMHO, said some things that have turned out to be misleading, but I dont think he has intentionally lied, at least not yet.

But give him time, he will.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 05:35 pm
@mysteryman,
mm, I understand all of what you are saying, but that doesn't excuse what we did to the Vietnamese people. That remanants museum used to be called something like "American imperialist crimes museum." That alone shows bias in their museum, but there are also photographs taken by two Japanese photographers on the war, and the pictures tell the many stories of atrocities committed by Americans. My Lai was not an exception.

I know enough world history to know that almost all cultures have similar histories. The Khmer Rouge Atrocities in Cambodia occured about the same time, but that was a problem we didn't get much involved in.

I try to go to different countries to learn about their people. Our Vietnamese guide was very knowledgeable and level headed about the good and the bad by Americans in their country. He sees both sides, and understands that human are capable of both good and bad.

What tore my heart out was the deformed humans caused by agent orange. These deformities occurred years after the war was over for our country, but it was a reminder to them that the war was still on-going. Pictures of deformed babies will forever remain in my memory.


mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 28 Oct, 2009 05:49 pm
@cicerone imposter,
When my dad and I were there, we met many people that are deformed by residual effects of agent orange.
I dont deny what it did, or the effects still happening.

My point was the EVERY country has a blindspot when it comes to admitting their mistakes , not just the US.

When I took my dad to Vietnam, it was to correct a mistake (as much as he could) and to fulfill a promise he made to himself in 1969.

My dad was a marine, and served 3 tours in Vietnam.
On his last tour, his patrol captured a young NVA soldier.
After they searched him and took all of the papers he had on him, he was taken away by the S. NVietnamese MP's and shot.
My dad kept all of his personal effects (the NVA soldiers), and promised to one day return them.
All it was was some letters, photo's, and a journal.

I took my dad to Vietnam to fulfill that promise, and to finally put the demons to rest.
With the help of a Vietnamese army officer, my dad tracked down the widow of that young soldier and returned the items, and offered his apologies that it had happened.
I dod not go with him, at his request, to meet the woman.
To this day he still keeps in contact with her, and she has visited him in California.
She does not hold what happened against him, calling it simply "part of war".
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 29 Oct, 2009 11:09 am
Quote:

... Summary...
• Congressman John Culberson is one of the fiscal conservative representatives from Texas.
• During this meeting, he was adamant that the next 14 months will determine if we survive as a Republic.
• He said we cannot avoid the impending economic downturn in the next year.
• He admonished everyone to pay off debt and hunker down, noting that a person without debt during a Depression is called an observer.
• He requested that we all get a Facebook account and sign up as one of his friends, where we will get the unvarnished truth about what’s really happening in our government. Every other publication has to be approved by "the power."
• He stated that our current administration is composed of Marxists, both elected and appointed. They are currently, quickly “hollowing out” (his words) our system of government.
• The 2010 election is NOT an ordinary election. It will decide our nation’s future. Culberson added “if we still have that much time.”
...

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 29 Oct, 2009 11:16 am
@ican711nm,
He then proceeded to warn us all that the sky was, in fact, falling, and the next few minutes would decide our fate.

http://www.defensetech.org/images/Chicken-Little.jpg

What a moron Culberson is, it's embarrassing to Texas that he is an elected representative there.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 29 Oct, 2009 11:18 am
@mysteryman,
Most Vietnamese have forgiven our many sins in their country; that is evidenced by how they welcome American visitors to their country. This was my second trip to Vietnam, and many strangers not only waved to us on the farms and cities, but smiled and gave us the "v" sign. Even a woman in her wedding gown did the same in Saigon when I took a picture of her near the Notre Dame Cathedral.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/IMG_4603.jpg

Not only do they have a beautiful country, but their people are also beautiful.

We were hosted to a dinner in Dalat by a couple in their home, and they shared their food and children to entertain us. The two daughters played the piano for us, and they told us what they did for a living. The wife teaches, and the husband is an architect who helped design the Buddhist Temple in Dalat.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/IMG_4434-1.jpg


At Dalat University, a young lady escorded me around the campus to show me around for one hour. She's majoring in English, and wants to get married after she graduates. A lovely young lady.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/IMG_4497-1.jpg

This lovely young lady sold me two t-shirts for my wife in Hanoi. Who would be able to resist?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/IMG_3467.jpg

Finally, in Saigon, our Tour Director invited his family to join us at the hotel restaurant after dinner to introduce us to his family. They also sang and danced for us, and their smiles told us everything we needed to know.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/imposter222/IMG_4660.jpg
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 29 Oct, 2009 02:53 pm
A recent reply to the California legislature from Gov. Schwarzenegger...

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/10/27/ba-letter28_gr_SFCG1256695605.jpg

Very well written.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 29 Oct, 2009 03:00 pm
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https://fs7.formsite.com/C4Strategies/form525868054/secure_index.html
ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT
Resolved, that Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:

Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.

Article I

In his conduct while President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has:

unlawfully exercised the authority of his office to take private property for public use in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which guarantees to the People that “private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation,” and without “due process of law”;

unlawfully interfered with the management of private companies for the purpose of achieving government control of them, in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution.

unlawfully interfered with the economic rights of the People by imposing unreasonable impairments in the fulfillment of their intended contractual obligations, and their ability to enter into such contracts, and attempting to change our fundamental economic system, where there is no significant or legitimate public purpose to do so.

In doing this, Barack Hussein Obama has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, Barack Hussein Obama, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

Article II

In his conduct while President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, and to that end, through his subordinates and agents, has:

unlawfully engaged in a conspiracy to suppress evidence of the true place of his birth. This obstruction of justice has resulted in a violation of the Constitutional provision that a President of the United States must be a natural born citizen.

unlawfully refused his assent to the Laws of the United States, and exercised false powers of veto that are contrary to Constitution.

In all of this, Barack Hussein Obama has undermined the integrity of his office, has brought disrepute on the Presidency, has betrayed his trust as President, and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule of law and justice, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

Wherefore, Barack Hussein Obama, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States.




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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 29 Oct, 2009 03:20 pm
@McGentrix,
It's not the writing so much as the message. Spot on!
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 29 Oct, 2009 08:19 pm
Some contrasts between the founders and the radical Obama administration.



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 29 Oct, 2009 08:30 pm
Here's "radical" for you. Ooops, it's the Bush administration.

Quote:
Armed Forces Journal Forums

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Old 07-07-2009, 04:35 PM


Join Date: May 2006
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Default FORUM PICK: The radical nature of the Bush Administration’s war aims
The radical nature of the Bush Administration’s war aims " the reformation of the Iraqi political identity, domination of the Iraqi economy and natural resources " was wildly out of line with the moral and material resources that they were willing to commit. That leaves aside the obvious point that foreign military victory/occupation was a poor means to impose a democratic system.”

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2009/07/4118697
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 03:41 am
Krauthammer, not only about Obama but conservatism in the USA as well:

'Obama is Average'
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 04:49 am
@okie,
Your current signature line indicates that September was a trying month for you. Are you okay?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 01:47 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclo, no reason to worry about the sky falling. Obama hasn't yet determined how to control the sky. But Obama has determined a way to control America. Consequently, America is falling ..... and if not stopped, it will take everyone with it including the wealth REDistributionists.

We will determine our fate in November 2010 ....
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 02:04 pm
@ican711nm,
ican, How many ways has Obama controlled your life? Please be specific.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 02:14 pm
Chuck Norris wrote:
Obama's 1-world government
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Posted: October 25, 2009
9:13 pm Eastern

© 2009
Halloween just got scarier " much scarier.
I'm not talking about a new Hollywood slasher film or a new line of grotesque costumes, but a possible political nightmare scenario in which the White House could be positioned to sell out U.S. sovereignty, shred the Constitution and leave you and yours to the whims of foreign powers.
Flying deep under Washington's radar is an upcoming (December) global climate change conference in Copenhagen, Denmark, under the guise of the "United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change." Virtually nothing has been said about it from the White House. But then again, I'm sure they think, who could be against working together for climate change? It all sounds pretty politically benign, doesn't it?
"Global Warming or Global Governance? What the media refuse to tell you about so-called climate change"
Not according to Lord Christopher Monckton, once science policy adviser to Lady Margaret Thatcher, who read the treaty and said the Copenhagen conference is a cover for the beginnings of a one-world government. Monckton spoke to the Minnesota Free Market Institute in St. Paul, Minn.:
I have read that treaty and what it says is this: that a world government is going to be created. The word "government" actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to Third World countries, in satisfaction of what is called, coyly, "climate debt" " because we've been burning CO2 and they haven't. And we've been screwing up the climate and they haven't. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement. How many of you think the word "election," or "democracy" or "vote," or "ballot" occurs anywhere in the 200 pages of that treaty? Quite right, it doesn't appear once.
Monckton then warned, if Obama signs the treaty, he would be flushing U.S. sovereignty down the global toilet. He cautioned, "But, in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy and your prosperity away forever " and neither you nor any subsequent government you may elect would have any power whatsoever to take it back again."
Monckton further pointed out that, even though ratification of our president's signature on that treaty would take a 67 supermajority (two-thirds) of the Senate, it could pass a simple majority as an amendment to the cap-and-trade bill.
Politifact.com (as well as many Left-leaning blogs) quickly criticized Monckton's conclusions as conspiratorial and climate-skepticism rhetoric, based upon the notion that the treaty is a draft and not a finalized document. But the apologetic of Politifact.com leaves the impression that the current draft is the roughest of cuts, when in reality it is the result of seven sessions of deliberations and revisions from several subgroups, including representatives from developed and developing countries ("parties"), "with a view to modifying it in the direction of consolidation and convergence."
(Column continues below)

Like with Congress' drafts of Obamacare, should we not be concerned because the current draft of the treaty may not be the final version, especially when the present language smacks of an abandonment of the principles upon which our republic was founded? As I myself read through the latest draft of the 181-page treaty, I noticed many lines that could warrant Monckton's and others' concerns (I've added italics for emphasis):
PP.6 Intending to renew and strengthen the global partnership through the creation of new levels of cooperation among Parties, according to the principles of the Convention. (Page 6)
PP.7 Affirming a Shared Vision of a long-term goal to equitably, successfully and coherently integrate the ambitious efforts of all Parties. (Page 6)
PP.8 Recognizing that sustainable development is the first priority for developing countries. Therefore, that our commitment to a low carbon society would have to be linked to our development priorities, in accordance with the provisions of the Convention. (Page 6)
PP.13 Recognizing that current and potential climate change impacts require a shift in the global investment patterns and that criteria for financing allocation shall clearly respond to the priorities identified by the international community, with climate change stabilization being one of these priorities. (Page 6)
10. Led by developed country Parties, an economic transition is needed that shifts in order to adjust global economic growth patterns towards a sustainable low-emission economy … (Page 8)
20. In order to fulfill this shared vision, Parties have agreed to establish a coherent, cohesive and integrated system of financial and technology transfer mechanisms under the Convention and a follow up/compliance mechanism. (Page 10)
… ensuring that global crises, such as the financial crisis, should not constitute an obstacle to the provision of financial and technical assistance to developing countries in accordance with the Convention. (Page 11 " Please read that one again!)
… all developed country Parties should then be increased to achieve the global goal without the contribution of developing country Parties. (Page 13)
36. The new agreed post-2012 institutional arrangement and legal framework to be established for the implementation, monitoring, reporting and verification of the global cooperative action for mitigation, adaptation, technology and financing, should be set under the Convention. It should include a financial mechanism and a facilitative mechanism drawn up to facilitate the design, adoption and carrying out of public policies, as the prevailing instrument, to which the market rules and related dynamics should be subordinate, in order to assure the full, effective and sustained implementation of the Convention. (Page 18)
37. The new institutional arrangement will provide technical and financial support for developing countries in the following areas: (a) preparation, implementation and follow-up through monitoring, reporting and verification of nationally appropriate mitigation actions (NAMAs) by developing countries. These activities could include options to reduce emissions from deforestation and forest degradation (REDD); (b) preparation, implementation and follow-up of national adaptation programmes of action (NAPAs) or national communications in developing countries; (c) technology needs assessments (TNAs) for adaptation and mitigation under the NAMAs and the NAPAs or national communications of developing countries; (d) capacity-building and enabling environments for adaptation and mitigation in developing countries; (e) education, awareness raising and public participation, focused on youth, women and indigenous peoples; (f) design and implementation of adaptation programmes and projects; (g) support for all technological cycle phases: research and development (R&D), diffusion and transfer, including acquisition of technologies for adaptation and mitigation, including the purchase or flexibility of patents. (Page 18)
38. The scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three basic pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial mechanism, and the basic organization of which will include the following … (Page 18)
52. Particular effort should be taken to enhance cooperation amongst intergovernmental organizations. (Page 47)
28. A global fund shall be established to support a global feed-in tariff programme, providing guaranteed purchase prices, over and above the retail energy price in developing countries. … The Global Fund shall aim at both inducing a shift to renewable energy without compromising development momentum in developing countries, and achieving economies of scale and a sustained reduction in the costs of generating renewable energy. (Page 138)
29. A special fund shall be established: (a) For the economic and social consequences of response measures … (b) To assist countries whose economies are highly dependent on income generated from the production, processing and export, and/or on consumption of fossil fuels … (Page 138)
That last point (No. 29) is one of the most shocking. Not only are developed countries (like the U.S.) mandated in this treaty to provide for developing countries despite global or financial crises (p. 11). After becoming the wealthiest nations on the planet from the production and sale of oil, like those in the Middle East, this global governing body will establish a "special fund" to give them financial aid when the world is no longer dependent upon their commodities! Are they kidding?!
Now, if that isn't one powerful intergovernmental or global-governmental group overseeing and manipulating ours and others economic and political conditions, I don't know what is. Even if some of Lord Christopher Monckton's claims about the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change are overstated, concerns about the extent of this body's political power and global economic sway are no more conspiratorial than the concern for Al Gore's comments in July (2009) at Oxford that change will be driven through "global governance."
And does anyone doubt that our president, as a Nobel peace laureate who believes he can negotiate with terrorists and dictators, has a global desire for international coalescence? Or should it not concern us that at the G-20 conference he would push world leaders to reshape the global economy? If he is already selling our nation to communist countries like China via our skyrocketing national debt, how much more difficult would it be to progressively replace the tenets of our Constitution with principles of "The Communist Manifesto"? Have we already started?
I've been so flabbergasted lately by Washington's abandonment of our founder's vision and principles that I expanded (to more than 300 pages) the new paperback version of my No. 14 New York Times best-seller, "Black Belt Patriotism" (available in Jan. 2010). It includes new materials in every chapter explaining how, in just one year, the Obama administration has progressively dismantled our Constitution, buried our economy, forsaken our posterity, disintegrated our borders, abandoned our godly heritage, impaled the traditional family and crippled America's health and future. (Amended are also copies of the Ten Commandments, the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.)
One thing is certain: Obama wasn't kidding on the campaign trail when he said it's time for the U.S. to "turn the page" on its trivial culture wars. But who knew just how many pages he would be turning, even in his first year in office? Who knew he would actually swap the play books?
But then again, I'm sure the White House just thinks I've been watching too much Fox News.
 

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