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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 10:31 am
@ican711nm,
same old fear mongering

dick cheney aimed his gun at the wrong head
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 10:32 am
@djjd62,
Cheney was never a good "shooter." LOL
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 11:50 am
I support the TEA Party's effort to help elect the conservative candidate in New York, Doug Hoffman. I support the TEA (i.e., Taxed Enough Already) Party, because of its commitment to the restoration and conservation of the Constitutional Republic of the USA. Both the Democrat and Republican Parties continue their abandonment of the Constitutional Republic of the USA in order to continue buying votes with tax payer's money by transferring wealth from those who lawfully earn it to those who do not lawfully earn it.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 11:52 am
The Democrat controlled congress in 2008 passed the 2009 federal budget and Bush signed it.

The Democrat controlled congress in 2008 passed the TARP bill and Bush signed it.

The Democrat controlled congress in 2009 passed the Stimulus bill and Obama signed it.

The Democrat controlled congress and Obama in 2009 have not yet rescinded any part of the TARP bill.

The Democrat controlled congress and Obama in 2009 have not yet rescinded any part of the Stimulus bill.

The Democrat controlled congress and Obama in 2009 have not yet rescinded any part of the 2009 federal budget.

Therefore, the Democrat controlled congress and Obama are responsible for the consequences of the TARP bill.

Therefore, the Democrat controlled congress and Obama are responsible for the consequences of the Stimulus bill.

Therefore, the Democrat controlled congress and Obama are responsible for the consequences of the federal 2009 budget.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 11:57 am
THE CHANGE THAT IS TRULY REQUIRED

Too many Americans have discovered how to vote themselves money from federal government tax revenues. They do this by electing candidates who ignore our Constitution and promise to vote and do vote these Americans money from federal government tax revenues. As a result we are losing our freedom and abundance to our envy and resentment, and ultimately to our dependency and bondage.

To stop and reverse this damnable trend, we must find and support candidates who shun the politics of envy and resentment for the politics of freedom; for the politics of securing our God given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that are secured when we support our Constitution. Who among the future candidates will shun the politics of envy and resentment for the politics of freedom and support our Constitution? Indeed, who among all of us Americans will shun the politics of envy and resentment for the politics of freedom and support of our Constitution?

For us to be true Americans, we must root for everyone to become the best they can be, and we must stop seeking to suppress those who accomplish more than we do. We are all made better off when any among us lawfully make themselves better off. We are all made worse off when any among us unlawfully make others worse off.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 12:08 pm
@ican711nm,
ican, Are you trying to say that the American people should not vote? You are an idiot!~
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 12:13 pm
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
Total USA employment increased millions of people, 1980 through 2008, in each of the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II administrations, but decreased almost 6 million people in the first 8 months of the Obama administration.

http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TablePrint.asp?FirstYear=1965&LastYear=2008&Freq=Year&SelectedTable=5&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&MaxValue=14412.8&MaxChars=8&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Legal=&Land=
Total USA Gross Domestic Product increased trillions of dollars, 1980 through 2008, in each of the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II administrations, but decreased almost a 100 billion dollars in the first 8 months of the Obama administration.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 12:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
ican, Are you trying to say that the American people should not vote?

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Your silly question is duly noted!
Don't vote for candidates that promise to steal money for you!

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 01:42 pm
@ican711nm,
You don't have a clue as to the reasons why.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 02:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes I do, and so should you have a clue as to the reasons why!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 06:32 pm
@ican711nm,
No you don't! If you did, you wouldn't be making the statements you've been making on TARP or the stimulus plan.

You still haven't provided the sentence(s) and/or paragraphs in TARP or the stimulus plan that proves your claim that they are wealth redistribution plans.

Until then, I'll call you a liar and an idiot!
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 07:25 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:

The intelligence professionals who got the answers we needed from terrorists had limited time, limited options, and careful legal guidance.

Cheney's wording is interesting. He doesn't care if they got the truth or not. Only if they got the answers needed.

The Inquisition needed answers that supported their view of the world and torture produce the answers they needed as well. Cheney needed answers that supported his preconceived view of the world and it appears torture produced those answers for him.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2009 10:34 am
@parados,
And they rushed into an illegal war that estimated to have killed over 100,000 innocent Iraqis. Some estimates say it's closer to one million, but Bush was never good at math; he didn't want body counts.
Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2009 02:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

And they rushed into an illegal war that estimated to have killed over 100,000 innocent Iraqis. Some estimates say it's closer to one million, but Bush was never good at math; he didn't want body counts.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebombing_of_Dresden

War is hell!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2009 02:31 pm
@Foofie,
Most of us with conscience realize that war is hell, but in these contemporary times after the use of the a-bomb, it would seem that targeting innocent civilians during time of war is not necessary.

What justifies killing innocents?
Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2009 02:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Most of us with conscience realize that war is hell, but in these contemporary times after the use of the a-bomb, it would seem that targeting innocent civilians during time of war is not necessary.

What justifies killing innocents?


Your first paragraph above does not explain what you mean.

And, who said anything justifies killing innocent people?

You need not reply; I am not sure we have anything to discuss.

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2009 03:11 pm
President Obama and his administration are incompetent.

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
Total USA employment, 1980 through 2008, increased millions of people in each of the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II administrations, but decreased more than 6 million people in the first 9 months of the Obama administration.

http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TablePrint.asp?FirstYear=1965&LastYear=2008&Freq=Year&SelectedTable=5&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&MaxValue=14412.8&MaxChars=8&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Legal=&Land=
Total USA GDP, 1980 through 2008, increased trillions of dollars, in each of the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II administrations, but decreased more than 100 billion dollars in the first 9 months of the Obama administration.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2009 03:25 pm
@ican711nm,
The second part of your post only shows how ignorant you are. Economic growth during the period you cited was based on a) consumers going into debt, b) savings rate dropping below zero, c) providing credit to those who didn't have the means to pay it back, and d) government laxity of fiscal management.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2009 04:12 pm
The contents of the TARP Bill show that it specifies wealth REDistributions. The TARP Bill can be accessed at the following link:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1424&tab=summary
example
Quote:
H.R. 1424 - Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008.
...
Section 101 -
Authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury (Secretary) to establish the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to purchase troubled assets from any financial institution, in accordance with terms, conditions, policies, and procedures the Secretary develops.
...
Section 115 -
Limits the Secretary's authority to purchase troubled assets under this Act to: (1) $250 billion outstanding at any one time; (2) $350 billion outstanding at any one time if, at any time, the President certifies to Congress that the Secretary needs to exercise authority for up to such an amount; and (3) $700 billion outstanding at any one time if, at any time after such a certification, the President reports to Congress a plan of the Secretary to exercise the authority authority for up to such an amount, unless Congress enacts a joint resolution of disapproval within 15 calendar days of transmission of the plan.
...


The contents of the STIMULUS Bill show that it specifies wealth REDistributions. The Stimulus Bill can be accessed at the following link
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9968/hr1.pdf
example
Quote:
transcribed from pdf
H.R. 1--American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009
...
CBO and JCT estimate that enacting H.R.1 would increase budget deficits by $526 billion over the 2009-2010 period (about 19 months) and by a total of $816 billion over the 2009-2019 period.
...
The Budgetary impact of the bill stems primarily from three types of transactions:
. Direct payments to individuals ...
. Reductions in federal taxes ...
. Purchases of goods and services ...
...

A January 2009 version can be accessed at this link:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1enr.pdf
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 Oct, 2009 04:19 pm
@ican711nm,
You're still not showing us where in those bills it specifies wealth redistribution.

Do you even understand words or the English language?

 

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