AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

These acronyms drive me crazy. We are not texting; can we just type in plain English?

Foofie wrote:

These acronyms drive me crazy. We are not texting; can we just type in plain English?

No, you are not the sergeant of arms of this forum. Our dear sweet loveable ican wants us to use these acronyms. He has put a lot of effort and thought into making these acronyms (that grow longer and longer everyday) forum staples. Because you are not the boss of this discussion forum, most of us will do what we want notwithstanding your wishes. Many of us find that throwing our own made-up acronyms back into ican's face might prove to be an ironic learning experience for him. That is not only our opinion, which carries about the same weight as an unsupported statement of fact that people often throw around disguised as an opinion so they can evade defending said "opinion," it is the standard that you established for yourself. And as our beloved leader of this specific thread would say, have a nice day.

No; she's telling it like it is; you are trying to control other posters as if you have some authority here. You are a joke!

This is a lie, which makes you a liar, Ican. The post to which you referred is original, and is not a repetition of anything i have ever posted.

cicerone imposter wrote:

No; she's telling it like it is; you are trying to control other posters as if you have some authority here. You are a joke!

I thought I was the one to be told that my opinion is not appropriate on a thread, unless I back up any opinion with facts. Many seem to have their own set of facts to back up one's own opinion. Notice how few threads end in everyone agreeing, based on objective facts.

Also, note how many ad-hominems get tossed around at posters by some posters. Since the result of ad-hominems can have the result of "chasing away" a sensitive poster, it is not I that act like I would want authority on the forum, since I do not use ad-hominems that could result in excluding an otherwise sensitive poster, as though I had some "authority."

I would appreciate honesty when my opinions or comments are stated.

Is this an example of one of those people who believes that if you repeat something often enough, it becomes the truth?

You, Setanta, have repeated this last statement of yours often, but not often enough to stop me from repeating that which I think needs repeating until someone who reads it can make a rational rebuttal.

This is a lie, which makes you a liar, Ican. The post to which you referred is original, and is not a repetition of anything i have ever posted.

FALSE! The following is an original post by me that I have posted more than once. I did not cut and paste it from anything someone else posted.

Attempting to answer the drivel you post would lend it a credibility it does not deserve.

Foofie wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

No; she's telling it like it is; you are trying to control other posters as if you have some authority here. You are a joke!

I thought I was the one to be told that my opinion is not appropriate on a thread, unless I back up any opinion with facts. Many seem to have their own set of facts to back up one's own opinion. Notice how few threads end in everyone agreeing, based on objective facts.

Also, note how many ad-hominems get tossed around at posters by some posters. Since the result of ad-hominems can have the result of "chasing away" a sensitive poster, it is not I that act like I would want authority on the forum, since I do not use ad-hominems that could result in excluding an otherwise sensitive poster, as though I had some "authority."

I told you that your "opinion" is meaningless within the context of this discussion. You don't appear to understand that we are not discussing sheer personal opinions, (e.g., stating a personal preference for wool socks over cotton socks). Your sheer opinion has no weight at all. Most of us are interested in your REASONED JUDGMENT. Do your statements have factual support? Can you defend your statements with evidence and logical and legitimate arguments? If you simply throw out a lofty statement and refuse to support or defend your statement by claiming you don't have to because it's your "opinion," you are engaged in evasion. It's a cop out. You're not putting your chips on the table. You are not willing to subject your statements to scrutiny. You are not willing to grow as a critical thinker. You are not contributing to the discussion nor are you testing your reasoning skills.

If you want to stand on a soap box, hurl lofty statements at people, and evade scrutiny, you should start a thread entitled, "Foofie's Soap Box." In this thread, however, I informed you that you should come prepared to support and defend your statements (or "opinions" or "arguments" or whatever you choose to designate your contributions) or face the criticism you deserve when you refuse to do so.

In response, you attacked me. You accused me of telling you to leave. I DID NOT TELL YOU TO LEAVE. I merely informed you, in this discussion forum, if you refuse to support and defend your statements because you have disguised them as your "opinion" that need not be supported or defended, then you will be criticized for your lack of reasoned judgment. You authoritatively told me that I was not the sergeant at arms and that I was not the boss of the forum. I was not bossing you around, I was telling you what to expect when you refuse to ante up.

After you falsely accused me of bossing you around and chewing me out, you proceeded to boss the rest of us around. You immediately chastised people for using acronyms. (The humor and irony of Setanta's use of an elongated acronym escaped your comprehension.) You chastised everyone here by claiming WE are not texting . . . blah, blah, blah. You employ the "do as I say, not as I do" approach to your interactions with the people on this board.

Summary: I'm not interested in your sheer opinion. I'm interested in your REASONED JUDGMENT. You won't build up any credibility if you expect other people to support and defend their statements when you're unwilling to support and defend your own statements.

a) I did not "attack" you. I did not accuse you of telling me to leave. You told me my opinions are not appropriate for the forum, if I understood the content of your phraseology.

b) I did not accuse you of "bossing me around." How can I "boss" anyone around on a forum? I have no rank in the forum.

If you do not like my opinions, sans facts, then you should not read my posts. Or, you can read them, but communicating your preference for "reasoned judgement" might not be what anyone will get from reading my posts, so it would behoove one to not set standards for my posting.

Your "Summary" above seems to focus on what you are interested in? What if I am neither interested in what you are interested in, or in "building up credibility," as you put it?

Let us not argue. Let us not have forum repartee.

Debra Law wrote:

This is a discussion board.

This isn't a forum where you may stand upon a soap box, hurl lofty statements at people, and then evade the discomfort of having your words subjected to the crucible of examination by making the juvenile argument that you are merely stating a personal opinion. Come to the discussion prepared to support and defend your statements or face the criticism you deserve for your cop-out.

Notice how few minds are convinced with any "facts" presented. We just see rounds and rounds of opposing discussion. I explain my opinion, as to why I have it. But, if you do not want my opinion, that is fine; however, you are not the sergeant at arms to tell me to leave, in my opinion. And, your calling my opinion a juvenile argument is fallacious, since I never said it was an argument. And, do not tell me that I must, "Come to the discussion prepared to support and defend your statements or face the criticism you deserve for your cop-out," since you do not make the rules of the forum. I have noticed many a comment on the forum that in no way reflects an argument.

If I did not know better, I would think your comments about me reflects your actually talking down to me. Do you have any rank in the forum?

By the way, Black Americans got freedom under Lincoln.