AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Ican, can't you tell that you're just egging people on with your behavior? You're like the little kid who practically begs to be picked on, on the playground.

Just give it a rest and let's move on to actual discussion, sheesh

Cycloptichorn

It is my opinion that you WREDA are growing more desperate each day to deny the probability that you are losing contact with reality. Your repeated vilifications of those with whom you disagree are mere anecdotal evidence of that, but I nevertheless urge you to seek counseling. Lost contact with reality is usually only a temporary condition except for those fiercely determined to deny truth.

Would that make you guys the bullys then? You guys should just put him on ignore like I have. I have a hard time understanding how you sem to find this back and forth interesting in the slightest.

Yeah, and I don't want to act that way, so I'm going to stop.

Sometimes the quality of the discussion is much, much higher, I wish we could return to that. I generally don't put people on ignore, ever; I don't see the point of it.

Cycloptichorn

Incredible irony, thy name is Ican.

Ican willfully ignites the contempt and ridicule for which he is the target. Take his idiot acronyms--he doesn't establish the truth of his contentions, he just basically calls people names. And, as is the case with Fox, he then whines about how people characterize him. I have little sympathy for his circumstance, because he is the author of his own troubles.

Fair enough. Ican used to be able to engage in discussions. Now he just copies and pastes the same thing over and over again. He's no fun anymore.

It's the copy/pasting that caused me to put him on ignore. I have little tolerance for spam and conversations that seem to go nowhere or have no point.

If he could/would limit his spamming, I'd un-ignore him.

Even what he says is copy and paste; it's totally boring!

Notice how few minds are convinced with any "facts" presented. We just see rounds and rounds of opposing discussion. I explain my opinion, as to why I have it. But, if you do not want my opinion, that is fine; however, you are not the sergeant at arms to tell me to leave, in my opinion. And, your calling my opinion a juvenile argument is fallacious, since I never said it was an argument. And, do not tell me that I must, "Come to the discussion prepared to support and defend your statements or face the criticism you deserve for your cop-out," since you do not make the rules of the forum. I have noticed many a comment on the forum that in no way reflects an argument.

If I did not know better, I would think your comments about me reflects your actually talking down to me. Do you have any rank in the forum?

Funny. That is my personal opinion about the Democrats. I say that in context of all the cherry picked Decocratic campaign talking points, that have yet to come to fruition, since they were undoable to anyone that understands how the political process works. It got votes though; enough to win the election.

In my opinion, the above mature response might show that a poster might be beginning to outgrow some forum threads?

You ought to collect and publish a book of foofieisms, Foofie.

Yeah, I agree! Look at how Palin's book is selling.

Foofie, How do you explain the fact that all Americans have benefited under democratic presidents and congress over the GOP?

Study a little bit of history before you provide your "personal opinion" that has no credibility or evidence.

AGAIN!

HISTORY OF THE DECLINE OF THE USA’s FINANCE INDUSTRY

1977
President Carter signs into law CRA (i.e., Community Investment Act) Carter.
Mandates banks invest in poor urban areas.

1991
Home Mortgage Disclosure Act is expanded to compares rejection rates by race.

1995
Clinton changes CRA to require banks provide mortgages to their poorer communities.

1998
Janet Reno declares that since inception of 1992 fair lending initiative, Justice Department has filed 13 major fair lending lawsuits.

2001
*04/…."Bush declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is a potential large financial problem because financial trouble of a large "GSE (i.e., Government Sponsored Enterprise) could cause strong repercussions in financial markets."

2003
*01/22"Freddie Mac announces it must restate financial results for the previous 3 years due to earnings report errors.
*06/11"Freddie Mac is the subject of federal securities and criminal investigations.
*09/11"New York Times says, "Bush recommends the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago."
*09/25--Barney Frank responds, "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac do very good work, and they are not endangering the fiscal health of this country … I believe there has been more alarm raised about potential unsafety and unsoundness than, in fact, exists."
*10/29"Fannie Mae discloses $1.2 billion accounting error.

2004
*06/16"Samuel Bodman, Deputy Secretary of Treasury, repeats Bush Administration call "for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System.
*10/06"Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae CEO, testifies before the House Financial Services Committee, "assets are so riskless that the capital for holding them should be under two percent. "

2006
*04/18"Freddie Mac pays a record $3.8 million Federal Election Commission fine.
*05/23"Fannie Mae’s regulator announces that Fannie Mae has for years overstated reported income and capital by $10.6 billion.
*05/25"Senator John McCain calls for GSE regulatory reform legislation, warning: "If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole.”
*11/07"Democrats win majorities in both houses of Congress. The U.S. economy is growing at about 3 percent, unemployment is at 4.5 percent, and inflation under 2 percent.

2007
*06/23"Two Bear Sterns hedge fund groups collapse due to their mortgage investments.
*08/09" President Bush requests Congress pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
*12/06" President Bush warns Congress of need to pass legislation reforming GSEs.

2008
*03/14"J.P. Morgan and the Federal Reserve recognize extent of Bear’s toxic assets, including sub-prime mortgages, and credit default swaps, and interconnection with other banks.
*03/14"At Economic Club of New York, President Bush requests Congress take action and reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
*04/14"President Bush issues a plea to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
*05/03"President Bush issues a plea to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
*05/19"President Bush issues a plea to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
*05/31"President Bush issues a plea to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
*06/06"President Bush issues a plea to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
*07/11"Senator Chris Dodd says: "There’s sort of a panic going on today, and that’s not what ought to be. The facts don’t warrant that reaction, in my opinion … Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were never bottom feeders in the residential mortgage market. People ought to feel comfortable about that. "
*07/13"Treasury Secretary Paulson asks Congress to grant him authority to take over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
*09/07"Paulson takes over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and offers them $200 billion, despite the fact their government credit line had been limited to $25 billion.
*09/15"Lehman Brothers officially collapses, the government does not intervene, and panic occurs, triggering a big Dow decline.
*09/16"Nancy Pelosi is asked if the Democrats bear some responsibility for the current crisis on Wall Street. Pelosi answers, "No. "
*09/17"Harry Reid regarding the economic collapse: "No one knows what to do."
*09/18"About 11:00 AM, the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States within two hours, equal to about $550. Treasury puts $105 billion in the system, but quickly realizes it cannot correct the problem.
*09/18"Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke ask Congress for the required funds"and unprecedented authority to bail out the entire financial system. They say failure to act means "we may not have an economy on Monday."
*09/23" Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke in Senate Banking Committee testimony outline the $700 billion asset relief program (TARP).
*09/29"That TARP version doesn’t pass the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives.
*10/03"Three days later TARP is passed after about $112 billion is added.
*11/05"The day after Barack Obama’s election, stocks plunge 500 points.
*11/12"Paulson changes the TARP rules from purchasing "troubled assets" to buying bank stocks to spur lending.
*11/23"Paulson gives Citibank a $308 billion bailout.
*12/06"Both houses of Congress agree to bail out the U.S. auto companies.
*12/18"President-elect Obama hints at an $800 billion to $1 trillion stimulus plan within his first month of office, and the Dow drops another 2.5 percent.

2009
*02/10"Treasury Secretary Tim Geitner unveils the Administration’s $2 trillion TARP II plan, and the Dow drops 382 points, or 4.6 percent
*02/17"President Obama signs a $787 billion bailout bill.
*02/18" President Obama reveals his mortgage bailout plan.
*02/19"Rick Santelli says in an impromptu speech on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange: "The government is promoting bad behavior … How many of you people want to pay for your neighbor’s mortgage? President Obama are you listening?" Santelli calls for a "Chicago Tea Party."
*02/20"The market falls as Chris Dodd, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee floats the idea of nationalizing the nation’s banks. The White House issues a denial, and the Dow ends down 100 points. The Dow is down now more than 800 points"nearly 10 percent"from the day before President Obama’s inauguration.
*02/21"Soros says, "The financial crisis marks end of a free-market model."

"We’ve got trouble right here in [Potomac] river city."

You, of course already "know the rest of the story."

AGAIN!

Hay, WREDA, here is evidence that President Obama and his administration (WREDAP) are incompetent:

(a) http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
The Obama Administration has transfered wealth from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it, but the Constitution of the USA does not grant power to the federal government to transfer wealth from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it.

(b) ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
Total USA employment increased millions of people, 1980 through 2008, in each of the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II administrations, but decreased more than 5 million people in the first 8 months of the Obama administration.

(c) http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TablePrint.asp?FirstYear=1965&LastYear=2008&Freq=Year&SelectedTable=5&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&MaxValue=14412.8&MaxChars=8&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Legal=&Land=
Total USA GDP increased trillions of dollars, 1980 through 2008, in each of the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II administrations, but decreased more than 90 billion dollars in the first 8 months of the Obama administration.

(d) http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/09/obama-speech-text-to-congress.html
http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2009/09/analysis-of-president-obamas-speech-to-congress-on-healthcare.html
Obama's September 9, 2009 speech to the Congress contained 12 significant falsities.

Are you opining that a fact, or are you claiming that a fact?

If you are claiming that a fact, then you are obligated to provide evidnce to support that is a fact.

Ican, with his acronym stupidity, has a huge blind spot. There's a hell of a lot of people in the United States--at the least tens of millions--who object to the redistribution of their wealth to corrupt defense contractors who rob the government and therefore the taxpayer with impunity. They object to unbid contracts going to companies like Halliburton, Bechtel and Blackwater for services no taxpayer ever ordered. They object to government corporate welfare, such as the laughable pittances that agronomic corporations pay to graze livestock on BLM land, land owned by the people of the United States, maintained at their expense, and being leased to the wealthy to make themselves wealthier. They object to the redistribution of wealth for a Federal prison system in which blacks serve longer terms for selling crack cocaine than middle-class white boys serve for selling powdered cocaine.

Ican, you're a disgusting hypocrite, or would be were it not that i suspect you're too stupid and uniformed to know just how idiotic your delusional contentions truly are.

"There's a hell of a lot of people in the United States--at the least tens of millions--who object to the redistribution of their wealth to corrupt defense contractors who rob the government and therefore the taxpayer with impunity. They object to unbid contracts going to companies like Halliburton, Bechtel and Blackwater for services no taxpayer ever ordered. They object to government corporate welfare, such as the laughable pittances that agronomic corporations pay to graze livestock on BLM land, land owned by the people of the United States, maintained at their expense, and being leased to the wealthy to make themselves wealthier. They object to the redistribution of wealth for a Federal prison system in which blacks serve longer terms for selling crack cocaine than middle-class white boys serve for selling powdered cocaine."



that part was worth posting twice...