AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

I agree with you Debra. However this claim/opinion taxonomy was imposed on Ichan by Cyclo - in his typical pseudo authoritarian manner.

That's horseshit, O'George. I pointed out to Ican that he is obliged to support cliams that he makes. His first attempted dodge was that it was someone else's claim and not his. Then he simply reverted to asserting that it was his opinion, and therefore deserving of being accorded the same weight as anyone else's opinion. As is so often the case, Ican brought this on himself, and then got lost in the train of logical objection to his position.

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STATUS REPORT

(1) Ican claims that President Obama and his administration are incompetent.
(2) Ican posted evidence, that he opines is valid, to support his claim that President Obama and his administration are incompetent..
(3) Cycloptichorn opines that ican's evidence is not valid.
(4) Cycloptichorn opines that ican' is obligated to present evidence to support his opinion that his evidence is valid.
(5) Ican stated he is not obligated to provide evidence to support his opinion that his evidence is valid.
(6) Cycloptichorn promised to provide evidence to support his opinion that ican's evidence is invalid, IF ican were to claim not merely opine his evidence is valid.
(7) Ican promised to provide evidence to support his opinion that his evidence is invalid, IF Cycloptichorn were to claim not merely opine his evidence is valid, AND were to provide evidence his claim is valid.

Here is some of the evidence that ican has provided to support his claim that President Obama and his administration are incompetent:
(a) http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
The Obama Administration has transfered wealth from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it, but the Constitution of the USA does not grant power to the federal government to transfer wealth from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it.
(b) ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
Total USA employment increased millions of people, 1980 through 2008, in each of the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II administrations, but decreased more than 5 million people in the first 8 months of the Obama administration.
[c) http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TablePrint.asp?FirstYear=1965&LastYear=2008&Freq=Year&SelectedTable=5&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&MaxValue=14412.8&MaxChars=8&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Legal=&Land=
Total USA GDP increased trillions of dollars, 1980 through 2008, in each of the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II administrations, but decreased more than 90 million dollars in the first 8 months of the Obama administration.
(d) http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/09/obama-speech-text-to-congress.html
http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2009/09/analysis-of-president-obamas-speech-to-congress-on-healthcare.html
Obama's September 9, 2009 speech to the Congress contained 12 significant falsities.

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

evidence joefromchicago is incompetent:Well, then, let me just state that ican is a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys.

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How does that make him incompetent, Ican? He's just following your rule of thumb for making claims. You are now obliged, by the terms you have yourself insisted upon, to prove that you are not paedophiliac rapist.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

How does that make him incompetent, Ican? He's just following your rule of thumb for making claims. You are now obliged, by the terms you have yourself insisted upon, to prove that you are not paedophiliac rapist.

Actually, he isn't - see, he didn't deny it. He's only obliged if he denies it.

Cycloptichorn

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Good point. So then, we can assume he is a paedophiliac rapist, huh?

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@Setanta,

I don't see any reason why not to.

Cycloptichorn

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

How does that make him incompetent, Ican? He's just following your rule of thumb for making claims. You are now obliged, by the terms you have yourself insisted upon, to prove that you are not paedophiliac rapist.

Joefromchicago's accusation does not "make" Joefromchicago incompetent. What made joefromchicago incompetent is not known to me. I opine Joefromchicago's accusation is merely evidence of his incompetence, and not the cause of his incompetence.

Furthermore, I don't know whether joefromchicago's accusation was his opinion or his claim. If he was opining, he is not obligated to provide any evidnce to show his accusation is true. If it was his claim, then he is obligated to provide evidence to show his accusation is true.

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@Setanta,

Setenta wrote:

example of Setanta's incompetence: Good point. So then, we can assume he is a paedophiliac rapist, huh?

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I'm sure, Ican, that you can't see the hilarious irony of you pronouncing everyone incompetent, when you can't even string a logical sentence together to defend one your idiot rants.

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@Advocate,

Krugman hit the nail right on the head; the GOP only wants power and nothing else. They'll sacrifice this country to get that power.

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

Furthermore, I don't know whether joefromchicago's accusation was his opinion or his claim. If he was opining, he is not obligated to provide any evidnce to show his accusation is true. If it was his claim, then he is obligated to provide evidence to show his accusation is true.

Of course I have evidence that you are a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys. I do not choose to make that evidence available now for strategic reasons.

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@joefromchicago,

And I'm a witness to joe's claim; you now have two people saying you are a pedophile, and it's up to you to provide evidence you are not.

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@cicerone imposter,

joefromchicago wrote:

evidence joefromchicago is incompetent: Of course I have evidence that you are a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys. I do not choose to make that evidence available now for strategic reasons.

cicerone imposter wrote:

evidence cicerone imposter is incompetent: And I'm a witness to joe's claim; you now have two people saying you are a pedophile, and it's up to you to provide evidence you are not.

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Evidence that President Obama and his administration (WREDAP) are incompetent:

(a) http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
The Obama Administration has transfered wealth from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it, but the Constitution of the USA does not grant power to the federal government to transfer wealth from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it.

(b) ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
Total USA employment increased millions of people, 1980 through 2008, in each of the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II administrations, but decreased more than 5 million people in the first 8 months of the Obama administration.

(c) http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TablePrint.asp?FirstYear=1965&LastYear=2008&Freq=Year&SelectedTable=5&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&MaxValue=14412.8&MaxChars=8&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Legal=&Land=
Total USA GDP increased trillions of dollars, 1980 through 2008, in each of the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II administrations, but decreased more than 90 million dollars in the first 8 months of the Obama administration.

(d) http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/09/obama-speech-text-to-congress.html
http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2009/09/analysis-of-president-obamas-speech-to-congress-on-healthcare.html
Obama's September 9, 2009 speech to the Congress contained 12 significant falsities.

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

evidence that ican is a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys

joefromchicago wrote:
evidence joefromchicago is incompetent: Of course I have evidence that you are a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys. I do not choose to make that evidence available now for strategic reasons.

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

more evidence joefromchicago is incompetent: evidence that ican is a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys

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THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS WREDAP AND INCOMPETENT

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
HISTORY OF TOTAL USA EMPLOYMENT, 1980 - 2009

....Total USA Employed.....Change
Carter
1980.. 99,302,000------------------
Reagan
1984 105,005,000....+ 5,703,000
Reagan
1988 114,968,000....+ 9,963,000
Bush I
1992 118,492,000....+ 3,524,000
Clinton
1996 126,708,000....+ 8,216,000
Clinton
2000 136,891,000....+ 10,183,000
Bush II
2004 139,252,000....+ 2,361,000
Bush II
2008 145,362,000....+ 6,110,000
Obama
2009 139,649,000....- 5,713,000 (as of August 31, 2009)

http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TablePrint.asp?FirstYear=1965&LastYear=2008&Freq=Year&SelectedTable=5&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&MaxValue=14412.8&MaxChars=8&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Legal=&Land=
HISTORY OF TOTAL USA GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT 1980 - 2009

Year..…….GDP ($billions)….Change
Carter
1980…….. 2,789.5………………………………
Regan
1984…….. 3,933.2…….…………. + 1,143.7
Reagan
1988…….. 5,103.8…….……….…. + 1,170.6
Bush 41
1992…….. 6,337.7…….………….. + 1,233.9
Clinton
1996……. 7,816.9…….………….. + 1,479.2
Clinton
2000…….. 9,817.0…….………….. + 2,000.1
Bush 43
2004…,, 11,685.9…….………….. + 1,868.9
Bush 43
2008….. 14,208.7…….………….. + 2,522.8
Obama
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/02/18/afx6067181.html
2009…… 14,109.2…….………….. " 99.5 (-0.7% as of August 31, 2009)

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I got a email this morning that says ican is a notorious pedophile who rapes little boys. Seemed reliable.

This many sources can't be wrong.
K
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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

evidence Diest TKO is incompetent: I got a email this morning that says ican is a notorious pedophile who0.
rapes little boys. Seemed reliable.

This many sources can't be wrong.

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