AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Already there are more than a million irate people against Obama who have attended Town Halls and Tea Parties. The Tea Party September 12 in DC will have a large turnout--not to mention the one's along the way and after!

Already there are more than a million irate people against Obama who have attended Town Halls and Tea Parties. The Tea Party September 12 in DC will have a large turnout--not to mention the one's along the way and after!

That million I referred to are almost all adults of voting age. I guess there are about 150 million likely voters. According to the polls now, more than half of the likely voters in the polling samples disapprove of Obama. Maybe those polled are being influenced by the Town Hall and Tea Party attendees. Or maybe they are just being influenced by what they see and here and their own common sense.

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Dow Jones and Co. response to UCLA media bias study

The Wall Street Journal's news coverage is relentlessly neutral. Of that, we are confident.

By contrast, the research technique used in this study hardly inspires confidence. In fact, it is logically suspect and simply baffling in some of its details.

First, its measure of media bias consists entirely of counting the number of mentions of, or quotes from, various think tanks that the researchers determine to be "liberal" or “conservative." By this logic, a mention of Al Qaeda in a story suggests the newspaper endorses its views, which is obviously not the case. And if a think tank is explicitly labeled “liberal” or “conservative” within a story to provide context to readers, that example doesn’t count at all. The researchers simply threw out such mentions.

Second, the universe of think tanks and policy groups in the study hardly covers the universe of institutions with which Wall Street Journal reporters come into contact. What are we to make of the validity of a list of important policy groups that doesn’t include, say, the Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers, the AFL-CIO or the Concord Coalition, but that does include People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? Moreover, the ranking the study gives to some of the groups on the list is simply bizarre. How seriously are we to take a system that ranks the American Civil Liberties Union slightly to the right of center, and that ranks the RAND Corp. as more liberal than Amnesty International? Indeed, the more frequently a media outlet quotes the ACLU in this study, the more conservative its alleged bias.

Third, the reader of this report has to travel all the way Table III on page 57 to discover that the researchers’ "study" of the content of The Wall Street Journal covers exactly FOUR MONTHS in 2002, while the period examined for CBS News covers more than 12 years, and National Public Radio’s content is examined for more than 11 years. This huge analytical flaw results in an assessment based on comparative citings during vastly differing time periods, when the relative newsworthiness of various institutions could vary widely. Thus, Time magazine is “studied” for about two years, while U.S. News and World Report is examined for eight years. Indeed, the periods of time covered for the Journal, the Washington Post and the Washington Times are so brief that as to suggest that they were simply thrown into the mix as an afterthought. Yet the researchers provide those findings the same weight as all the others, without bothering to explain that in any meaningful way to the study’s readers.

Suffice it to say that “research” of this variety would be unlikely to warrant a mention at all in any Wall Street Journal story.

considering that you now claim to have been unhappy with bush too, it's interesting that you kept silent and certainly didn't try to drum up armed rebellion against him for 8 years.

Foxfyre wrote:

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And the only ones presuming that Fox network or Fox News are not mainstream media are some from your side.

wha??? you consistently rant about the mainstream media and it's liberal bias while holding up fox news as the place to get the truth. you are being disingenuously coy about this.

ican711nm wrote:

That million I referred to are almost all adults of voting age. I guess there are about 150 million likely voters. According to the polls now, more than half of the likely voters in the polling samples disapprove of Obama. Maybe those polled are being influenced by the Town Hall and Tea Party attendees. Or maybe they are just being influenced by what they see and here and their own common sense.

or maybe it's just the small minority of rednecks who can't stand having a black man in the white house.

considering that you now claim to have been unhappy with bush too, it's interesting that you kept silent and certainly didn't try to drum up armed rebellion against him for 8 years.

Why I Believe Bush Must Go
Nixon Was Bad. These Guys Are Worse.

By George McGovern
Sunday, January 6, 2008

As we enter the eighth year of the Bush-Cheney administration, I have belatedly and painfully concluded that the only honorable course for me is to urge the impeachment of the president and the vice president.
After the 1972 presidential election, I stood clear of calls to impeach President Richard M. Nixon for his misconduct during the campaign. I thought that my joining the impeachment effort would be seen as an expression of personal vengeance toward the president who had defeated me.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/04/AR2008010404308.html

It is Bush and Cheney who gave the orders
and it is they who must be held responsible
Every member of IndictBushNow should feel proud. The announcement that a Special Prosecutor has been appointed to investigate Bush-era crimes was the direct result of the massive, grassroots movement from below. It was the action taken by you and people all around the country that made this possible.

The investigation must and will lead back to the high officials who ordered their subordinates to carry out the most heinous crimes. Now we must keep up the pressure. In fact we must increase it a hundred fold with newspaper ads, street demonstrations, media outreach and more.
Click here to read the full story

“The real culprits in this sordid story are those higher-ups, starting with former president George W. Bush and former vice president Richard B. Cheney, who led America down the degrading path of state-sanctioned torture and left the next administration to cope with the fallout.”

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The movement to impeach George W. Bush was a social movement which unsuccessfully sought the impeachment of United States President George W. Bush.

A Canadian research firm's poll in 2007 showed U.S. public support ranging between 46% and 55% opposed to impeaching the President, and between 39% and 45% in favor.[1]

On June 10, 2008, Congressman Dennis Kucinich, along with co-sponsor Robert Wexler, introduced 35 articles of impeachment.[2] against President George W. Bush to the U.S. House of Representatives.[3] The House voted 251 to 166 to refer the impeachment resolution to the Judiciary Committee on July 25, where no further action was taken on it.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush

ARLINGTON, Virginia (Reuters) - Thousands of anti-war demonstrators, some carrying yellow and black signs reading "U.S. out of Iraq now!" marched on the Pentagon on Saturday, one of several protests worldwide to mark four years of war.

The march, on a cold, cloudy and windy St. Patrick's Day, comes just before the fourth anniversary of the start of the Iraq war on Tuesday and 40 years after a similar protest at the Pentagon over the Vietnam War.
On a stage in the Pentagon parking lot, speaker after speaker demanded the end of the war in Iraq and some called for President George W. Bush's impeachment. A flag-draped coffin was displayed near the stage bearing a picture of a young soldier killed in Iraq
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1725671220070318

But your side sure came close enough with some of the most hateful demonstrations and protests that I have witnessed in my lifetime. They were even more hateful and disgusting that the truly hateful and disgusting stuff that went on during the Vietnam war. How soon we forget.

Your false characterizations of my support for my opinions, plus your unsupported and unsupportable opinions, are not valid rebuttals. They are merely absurd justifications of your own preconceived notions.

Foxfyre wrote:

But your side sure came close enough with some of the most hateful demonstrations and protests that I have witnessed in my lifetime. They were even more hateful and disgusting that the truly hateful and disgusting stuff that went on during the Vietnam war. How soon we forget.

hell yeah, let's not forget how great the vietnam war was, damn those hippies and their anti war rhetoric, disgusting

As a Conservative I hate and loath all war. I regard it as one of life's greatest indecencies and there is nothing to commend it even as there are some times that freedom loving people of courage and conviction cannot always ethically avoid it. As bad as it is, there are worse things.

But as a Conservative, once war is engaged, I will give our men and women in the military my complete and total support and will not participate in efforts to undermind and weaken their position and thus put them at greater risk. Not only were many of those Vietnam protests vulgar and hateful, but I believe they provided aid, comfort, and encouragement to those we were fighting and contributed to the deaths of thousands of our fighting men.

I feel the same way about those who openly and publicly protested the war in Iraq while we had boots on the ground in harm's way.

I'm not saying that all intended to do a bad thing with those protests. But I do believe the effect of them was to prolong the conflict and did contribute to more deaths and injuries. An enemy faced with a country unified behind its army is much easier to defeat than one who thinks it is winning in the court of public opinion if it just keeps hanging on. And ultimately, history shows that the only consistent way to make friends out of our enemies determined to make war is to defeat that enemy unconditionally. Then they have consistently been willing to make friends.

TO ICAN....
You do realize ican that using your standard of "treason", speaking out against the US government at time of war is committing treason. You are giving aid and comfort to America's enemies by trying to impeach the President during time of war.

Don't you think you should commit suicide for your treasonous act?

parados wrote:

TO ICAN....
You do realize ican that using your standard of "treason", speaking out against the US government at time of war is committing treason. You are giving aid and comfort to America's enemies by trying to impeach the President during time of war.

Don't you think you should commit suicide for your treasonous act?

bang. he got ya.