AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

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A 'radical leftist' would be pushing a single-payer system right off the bat; Obama isn't doing that.

But he is on record and video, when he was a state senator, as favoring a single payer system.
Do you thinnk he has changed?

Cyclops, conservatives know that liberal leftists believe in a process called incrementalism, and that is why we so vigorously oppose anything Obama does, because we know what he ultimately wants.

Even given so called private options, he can write details and slip them into bills, plus he can regulate private options out of existence.

This is I think what he has in mind and wants to do if he cannot get the whole ball of wax now. I think you know this. I told snood this when snood said he was so mad about Obama supposedly giving up on the public option, which he actually hasn't at all. He doesn't understand his own president's mindset. Its basically dishonesty here that we are dealing with in regard to Obama.

OBAMACOLLECTIVIST HEALTH CARE
The obamacollectivists have stated several times they want a single payer health care system. Currently, they recognize that won't fly, so they are instead looking to pass a bill that can serve as the basis for future incremental expansions that will eventually arrive at a single payer system.

I don't trust the obamacollectivists as far as I can throw the Empire State Building.

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Foxfyre wrote:

I'm still thinking about that stimulus package that had to voted and signed into law immediately because people were out of work and needed jobs now. But once it was a done deal, we see most of the money going for anything and everything that stimulates very little other than gratitude from the special interests getting it. And then they say that oh well, it was never intended to produce immediate results and most results will be years away.

This is untrue; the stimulus is directly responsible for the growth in State and Local government spending, one of the only areas of our economy which actually grew last quarter. It has had a direct effect upon our economy already.

Poll: 57% don't see stimulus working

WASHINGTON " Six months after President Obama launched a $787 billion plan to right the nation's economy, a majority of Americans think the avalanche of new federal aid has cost too much and done too little to end the recession.

A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll found 57% of adults say the stimulus package is having no impact on the economy or making it worse. Even more "60% " doubt that the stimulus plan will help the economy in the years ahead, and only 18% say it has done anything to help improve their personal situation.

That skepticism underscores the challenge Obama faces in trying to convince the public that the stimulus has helped turn the economy around. It also could complicate the administration's plans to overhaul the nation's health care system.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2009-08-16-stimulus-poll_N.htm

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Then why did it have to be delivered in the wee hours of the morning, voted on the next day, and signed into law by the President before anybody had time to read, much less analyze it?

Probably for the same reasons the PATRIOT act was done that way by the Republicans.

Poll: Support Seen for Patriot Act
By GARY LANGER
June 9, 2005 --

Against a backdrop of heightened public concern about government intrusions, six in 10 Americans favor extending the Patriot Act, but majorities oppose expanding it by adding new FBI powers to issue subpoenas and access U.S. mail.

Fifty-nine percent in an ABC News/Washington Post poll favor continuing the additional investigative authority in terrorism investigations that was granted to the FBI starting in 2001.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/PollVault/story?id=833703

Health Care Name Switcheroo

Hello Intelligent Thinkers,

Watch out! The Democrats are changing the terminology again. They are now talking about a "public option" in reference to a yet to be defined insurance co-operative. Calling it a "public option" makes it sound more appealing, but the "devil is in the details" as we discovered in H.R. 3200.
The good news is that President Obama and several Administration officials stated over the weekend that they are open to health care reform legislation that does not include the "government health insurance option".

Also, Senator Conrad (D-ND) said that the government option was a non-starter if they were going to get any kind of bi-partisan bill.

The "government health insurance option" and the "end-of-life counseling" provisions have been the most hotly contested areas of the Democrat's proposals in Congress. However, they are starting to show some signs of listening to "We the People". Although this is a good sign, beware, we have not heard from Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi on this yet.

The "Seven Ways to Make Health Care in America Better" have not changed. Let's hope they start listening to those ideas.

Don't forget to attend a town hall meeting of your Members of Congress so they can hear from you directly.

Thanks for speaking out. I know it is making a difference.

Herman Cain - Head Coach
Intelligent Thinkers Movement (over 43,000 members!)

On the contrary; he is exceedingly honest with you, Okie. You simply refuse to listen or believe what he says.

Cycloptichorn

Keep It Up and 912 March on DC
Dear Fellow Patriot,
You guys have been incredible! You are going to Town Hall Meetings, protests, and other events to show your support for our core values: fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government, and free markets. You are letting Congress know you do not want more out of control spending and taxing. You do not want bills passed that have not been read. You do not want the government to takeover our health care.

America is listening. The media is finally beginning to pay attention to us. The opposition is trying to paint us as paid demonstrators in bed with the pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies. They are calling us the mob and thugs. The media and elected officials continue to use insulting and rude expressions to describe us.

Really, who can blame them for making this type of assumption? It is how our opposition is funded. Our opposition said they would spend at least $82 million to pass government take over of our health care. $82 million dollars to pass a bill!! Now The Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) has promised to kick in as much as $150 million for advertising and grass-roots activity to help pass the government takeover of health care You read that right - $150 million to pass a bill!! The opposition is made up of over 1,000 organizations many of whom have large lobbying ties like ACORN, AFL-CIO, UAW, MoveOn, and many more. Our opposition is enlisting the unions to help get this bill passed. The opposition is paying people to attend events and to promote their agenda.

We know who we are. We know our opposition is spreading spreading lies and we know the truth. We are average Americans who care passionately about this country. We are truly a widespread grassroots movement. We are not paid to be at these events. In fact, in many cases, we are losing money by attending these events because we have to take time off of work. We are average Americans of all ages, of all races, and of both major political parties, who care passionately fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government and free markets. We are willing to make these sacrifices with our time and money to make sure our voices are heard.

The sacrifices are becoming more significant as our opposition begins to actually use violence when we express our voices. Someone from the opposition slapped a man in Tampa. Several men wearing supporting the government takeover of our health care charged a man, ripped his shirt, and hurt him in Tampa. In St. Louis, an African American who does not want government takeover of health care was beaten and hospitalized after racial slurs were thrown at him, resulting in 6 arrests.

Do not let this stop you. They want to intimidate us. Do not let them. They will use bullying techniques. Be courageous and determined. Ask the tough questions and demand answers from your Congressman and Senators. We must be vigilant to protect not only our health care freedom but all of our constitutionally guaranteed freedoms.

We have tremendous momentum building. Let's keep it going by continuing to express ourselves in ways that promote the movement and that demonstrate the core American values of decency, honesty and respect for others that we all value.
Keep it up! It is working!
Tea Party Patriots Hotel for 912 March on DC
The 912 March on DC is coming up in a little over a month. Tea Party Patriots will be staying at the Hyatt on Capitol Hill. The hotel is within walking distance of Union Station and the Capitol. There are 2 other hotels across the street from the Hyatt on Capitol Hill: Liason and Washington Court Hotel, which are also within walking distance of Union Station and the Capitol.

Here is some other important information about the March:
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2. There will be training sessions, open houses, socials and other functions on September 10 and 11. Details can be found on: http://912dc.org.
3. Tea Party Patriots will be hosting a Sign Making Event on Friday, September 11.
4. Tea Party Patriots is planning a Social after the March on Saturday evening, September 12.
5. For Travel Arrangements, there are 2 Travel Agents you can use: Joanne Griffing and Christine Drawdy.
6. We are creating a 912 March on DC Page on our website. Look for it later this week.
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Give me hard evidence if you believe that. The states don't seem to be doing so good and most Americans disagree with you.

The role of the Recovery Act is clearest in state and local spending. Sharp falls in revenues and balanced budget requirements have been forcing state and local governments to tighten their belts significantly. But, state and local government spending actually rose at a healthy 2.4% annual rate in the second quarter of 2009. This followed two consecutive quarters of decline, and was the highest growth rate in two years. No one can doubt that the $33 billion of state fiscal relief that has already gone out thanks to the Recovery Act is a key source of this increase.

You don't have hundreds of thousands more people filing unemployment claims every week when the economy is growing.

Give me hard evidence for that. I don't recall it being done that way though I understand that's the spin the leftwing blogs are putting on it these days. I do recall that it received wide bipartisan support with members on both sides of the aisle arguing for its passage. There was genuine urgency at the time as we did not know yet what our enemy had in store for us and we knew we had to have ability to intercept any additional threats after 9/11.

* Introduced in the House of Representatives as H.R. 3162 by Frank James Sensenbrenner, Jr. on October 23, 2001
* Passed the House on October 24, 2001 (Yeas: 357; Nays: 66)
* Passed the Senate on October 25, 2001 (Yeas: 98; Nays: 1)
* Signed into law by President Bush on October 26, 2001

And we're supposed to trust you? The king of backward imagination without a clue as to reality or evidence?

http://www.impeachobama2010.org/index.html
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The goal of this website is to build a petition with more than 1,000,000 signatures, in support of Impeaching President Obama. Your comments from the petition will be used to draft Articles of Impeachment. The petition and Articles of Impeachment will be presented to Congress immediately following the 2010 election. We all have from now until the 2010 election to elect or persuade enough Congressmen and Senators so a majority will support Impeachment.

THE PETITION STATES: Article 2, Section 4, of the U.S. Constitution specifies that "The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." WE, THE UNDERSIGNED, AFFIRM THAT WE ARE LEGAL CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. WE SUPPORT THE IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. This petition alleges financial mismanagement on a scale so large it has never been seen in the history of the world. This petition also alleges numerous acts to undermine, contradict and supercede the Constitution of the United States. This is the same Constitution that President Obama swore an oath to protect and defend. Our individual statements in support of this petition are included with this petition.

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We the People of the United States of America do hereby call for the immediate resignation of President of the United States Barack Hussein Obama, Vice President of the United States Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and House of Representative Speaker Nancy Pelosi for acts of Treason against the United States of America by violation of their oath of office to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States of America. We further petition the Congress of the United States to repeal any and all acts of law signed by this President of the United States since he took office. By order of succession of the office of President of the United States, President pro tempore of the Senate, Senator Robert Byrd shall become the 45th President of the United States until such time as the next election can be held.

You expect me to take Obama's hand picked paid advisor as 'hard evidence'? How about I use Newt Gingrich or Steve Forbes as my 'hard evidence'. Would you agree to that? I can guarantee you I can name a whole bunch of folks like that who would outnumber Christina about 10 to 1 and who would emphatically explain why her pretty graph is not proof of any verifiable recovery or proof that Obama's stimulus package has accomplished much of anything.

As for the Patriot Act, as previously stated, there was a real urgency AGREED TO by BOTH parties in BOTH the House and Senate because the security and safety--the very lives--of millions of Americans was immediately at stake. There was no secrecy. The bill was debated and argued for passionately by both Democrats and Republicans. Further Democrats were allowed to offer amendments which were debated and passed. There was NO REQUEST from either side of the aisle to slow it down, and no requests from the people to slow it down. Bullet pointed summaries of the bill were made available to everybody before the vote.

Quite different from these clandestine bills the Democrats are currently pushing through even as Conyers says he won't read the healthcare bill because nobody without a bevy of lawyers to interpret them can't understand them.

Your side will be credible in their efforts when they produce bullet pointed summaries for perusal and discussion.

Stimulus Not Working: Why is Vice President Biden Surprised?
06/18/2009 3:26 PM

This past Sunday on NBC’s Meet the Press, host David Gregory questioned Vice President Joe Biden on why the stimulus has not resulted in lower unemployment levels, as promised. Biden responded that “everyone guessed wrong” on the impact of stimulus legislation on employment levels.

But “everyone” didn’t guess wrong. As I reported in March, there was no shortage of economists who believed that the stimulus would not work. 300, including three Nobel prize winners, argued that the administration’s stimulus package would harm, not help, the American economy.

Yet Biden insists that “everyone guessed wrong, at the time the estimate was made, about what the state of the economy was at the moment [the stimulus] was passed.”

The Obama administration should worry more about unintended consequences when crafting such a massive economic policy.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/johnstossel/2009/06/stimulus-not-working-why-is-vice-president-biden-surprised.html

Brookings Institute
Where Does the U.S. Economic Recovery Stand?
Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:30:11 GMT

The latest government reports show that the economy contracted at a rate of one-percent last quarter " better than expected. But the new GDP numbers showed that consumers have continued to cut spending, and unemployment is likely to continue to rise for some time. Senior Fellow Alice Rivlin says the news is good, but an end to the recession is not yet at hand
http://www.brookings.edu/rss/Subscribe.aspx?chname=Topics&chsubname=economic%20stimulus

Experts at the liberal Brookings Institution, in a recent panel discussion, reached the same conclusion, even some who are optimistic about the economy's prospects. Among them was Barry Bosworth, Brookings' senior fellow in Economic Studies. "In my view, the recession is coming to an end," said Bosworth. "The bad news, however, is that the government stimulus did not have a lot to do with the recovery."
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Six-months-later_-stimulus-proves-to-be-a-dud-8119411-53497372.html