AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@Foxfyre,

Now you know Cyclo is going to say that those dont count, because they were simply people expressing their opinions, and everyone has that right.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

what more context do you need??? she was outside waitng in line. which you would know if you actually watched the clip. the officer said lose the sign and you can get back in line..

I need to know what posted or advertised rule she was breaking that was being enforced with everybody. That would be helpful to know. Can you say? You can't tell from the edited short clips.

And if you would get your information from something other than the often dishonest, ultra leftwing, George Soros funded Media Matters and Think Progress, you could likely develop a different perspective on some of this stuff.

I was denied admission to a Clinton meeting here in Albuquerque because I refused to wear their button or ribbon or carry their sign. Others were denied the right to bring GOP signs into the meeting. While I did not see that the setup was democratic or was anything more than a photo op for the candidate and was intentionally structured to make the candidate look good, I did not feel that my rights were violated. Rules are rules and so long as they are enforced for everybody, they aren't illegal or even unfair. Both Democrats and Republicans have had protesters who disrupted speeches or meetings escorted out. I have no problem with that either on either side.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

so 2 wrongs make a right?

I've never said that.

Do you think two wrongs make a right?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

This IS a domestic issue.
You said that you havent seen any conservative radio hosts or TV hosts saying that the protests and demonstrations should stop.

So, are you saying that they therefore support the protests, because they havent called for them to stop?

(Nice attempt at a dodge, BTW).

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@DontTreadOnMe,

So you admit Fox was correct?

And that the left DID disrupt repub meetings?
And are you also willing to admit that conservatives have the right to loudly protest and disrupt meetings (as long as they dont get violent)?

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@Foxfyre,

nope. i believe in peaceful and non-violent protests.

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@Foxfyre,

the video is a lie? then how do i know that the videos of the tea parties and the public outrage aren't being "produced"?

that sword cuts both ways, ya know.

again, if you had watched the clip, you would hear the old lady asking the cop why she's being removed, along with her little 2 word sign, from public property. outside the event.

at the request of secret service.

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@Foxfyre,

Okay, this one made me laugh out loudly!

"Liberals rudely disrupting a Conservative meeting", according to Foxfyre:

Hard to argue with the logic here!

Laughing

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

This IS a domestic issue.
You said that you havent seen any conservative radio hosts or TV hosts saying that the protests and demonstrations should stop.

So, are you saying that they therefore support the protests, because they havent called for them to stop?

(Nice attempt at a dodge, BTW).

of course this is a domestic issue. you're a smart guy and i didn't want to leave a door open for you to slip it to me on something that wasn't. Smile

and not dodging at all. i reckon that if they are not calling for a halt to the disruptiveness, they are at the very least, not "not supporting" them.

here is where you say.. "okay. so msnbc was not "not supporting" this or that, right?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

nope. i believe in peaceful and non-violent protests.

So do I and those Town Hall meetings were almost all peaceful and non-violent despite being very loud, rude, angry, and unproductive.

But seriously the non violent Tea parties were ridiculed and denigrated by the leftwing media and leftwing bloggers and the Administraton. Any leaders who speaks out are trashed. Any citizen who goes public re questions or criticism of the current administration is destroyed by the media. Our telephone calls, faxes, emails, and telegrams have been ignored or they pretend they aren't getting them.

If angry town hall meetings get their attention, then sadly maybe the people think they are all that is left to stop this train wreck before it can't be stopped. The dirty little secret is that those attending those Town Hall meetings are not all Republicans. They are Independents and Democrats too. The tide has turned against government dismantling of the healthcare administration and they don't care if it embarrasses the great messiah by thwarting his intended legacy building project.

If those who were such staunch anti-war protesters after the fact had been as passionate ahead of the invasion, it might not have ever happened. Reckon?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

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at the request of secret service.

EXACTLY!!!
The candidate didnt request it, the repub party didnt request it, and neither did anyone else.
The Secret Service is in charge of ALL security for candidates, and their "requests" are anything but.

However, when I attended both the Obama rally AND the rally for Hillary Clinton in Evansville, I saw the same scene played out with people carrying anti Obama or anti Hillary signs.
Of course, to be fair the people carrying pro Hillary or Obama signs were also treated the same way.

So, since the video only shows ONE INCIDENT, how do you or anybody else know that the same thing didnt happen to those people with pro McCain signs?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

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i reckon that if they are not calling for a halt to the disruptiveness, they are at the very least, not "not supporting" them.

So, since you used a double negative, you do believe that they ARE supporting the protests.

And I dont know what msnbc does or does not support because I dont watch them.

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@Foxfyre,

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Our telephone calls, faxes, emails, and telegrams have been ignored or they pretend they aren't getting them.

So this defense you've mounting is all a charade to make you personally feel better.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

the video is a lie? then how do i know that the videos of the tea parties and the public outrage aren't being "produced"?

that sword cuts both ways, ya know.

again, if you had watched the clip, you would hear the old lady asking the cop why she's being removed, along with her little 2 word sign, from public property. outside the event.

at the request of secret service.

We do not know what rule was being violated. You can't tell me. You can't tell from the clip. You don't know that the same rule was not applied to everybody. It's as simple as that. There is not enough information provided to make a reasoned judgment of what was happening.

If you get stopped by a cop, don't you ask why when you don't know? I do.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

So you admit Fox was correct?

And that the left DID disrupt repub meetings?
And are you also willing to admit that conservatives have the right to loudly protest and disrupt meetings (as long as they dont get violent)?

it's not all that easy. who was it, wasn't it pat leahy that had the code pinkers tossed out of the sotomayor hearings?

i don't mind if "real" citizens have "real" disagreements on public matters in theory.

i do have a problem with the amount of power and money that corporations and such have in our current political landscape. i'm not so naive as to believe it has been absent till now, but it is grown to behemoth proportions.

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you haven't really commented on the material i posted for you. <gasp!> you aren't dodging are you?? Wink

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@old europe,

So, they disrupted a church service (which is wrong on many levels).
And since according to many of the left on here only conservatives actually believe in God or religion, then you could say that these little punks DID disrupt a Conservative meeting.

Personally, I think its a stretch, but I am simply going by what many on the left think about conservatives.

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@old europe,

heh... being thrown out of a church for following the 6th commandment.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

Where in the 6th commandment does it say to disrupt church services or other religious gatherings?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

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you haven't really commented on the material i posted for you. <gasp!> you aren't dodging are you??

Since it was all from private groups, PAC's and the like, I saw no reason to comment.

NONE of it was from a conservative media group so it didnt support your statement at all, IMO.

BTW, I dont know if Pat Leahy had anyone thrown out.
I had to work and didnt watch any of the hearings, but I will take your word for it.

Even if he did, so what?
They may have the right to disrupt meetings, and the people holding the meetings have the right to throw them out or arrest them.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

If those who were such staunch anti-war protesters after the fact had been as passionate ahead of the invasion, it might not have ever happened. Reckon?

considering i was one of the staunch anti-iraq folks prior to the invasion, i reckon not.

know what i got called? for simply speaking my mind in public?

traitor. terrorist lover. anti-american. pussy. pacifist. america hater. saddam lover. bla-bla-bla...

i had a no war in iraq sign in my living room window. not a great big one. a small 81/2 x 11 sign. somebody nearly got a rock through the window. instead it only took a big chunk of my new stucco job out of the wall.

and that was in l.a..

hate to think if i'd been against the afghanistan war too, which i am not.

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