AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

I would like to see 4 consecutive quarters of growth in 201o; for lending to increase and foreclosures to decrease; for the job market to have a year of consecutive months of adding more than 150k jobs per month in 2010. You?

you ought to be able to point to specific actions Obama is taking which violate the law, and not your nutty interpretations of tax laws, either. If you can't do that, you don't have much of a case.

Exactly what Obama said when he promised that the economic Recovery and Reinvestment Plan "will create or save three and a half million jobs over the next two years, including nearly 60,000 in Colorado..."

Cycloptichorn wrote:

you ought to be able to point to specific actions Obama is taking which violate the law, and not your nutty interpretations of tax laws, either. If you can't do that, you don't have much of a case.

I've done that multiple times. The most obvious violation of the Constitution by Obama is his transfer of property from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it. He has declared that he intends to make more of these transfers. His healthcare bill states exactly that. Read it for yourself.

cyclo wrote:

I would like to see 4 consecutive quarters of growth in 201o; for lending to increase and foreclosures to decrease; for the job market to have a year of consecutive months of adding more than 150k jobs per month in 2010. You?

There you go again, trying to change horses in mid-stream. You can't go back and develop new metrics that fit the current situation. The metrics must come from Obama's original bill and projections, else you're judging something altogether different than the bill in question.

Here's mine (all taken from the bill itself or administration documented objectives for the bill):

1) Within two years or by Feb 17, 2011, the BLS data shows 145,248,000 (Feb 09 figures plus 3.5M) employed

2) $590B or 75% f the $787B package spent by Aug 2010.

3) Renewable energy generating capacity doubled from 375.6 to 750.7TW-H by early 2012.

4) Complete modernization projects on 375,000 federal buildings (75% of the 500,000 buildings in the Govt inventory) and weatherization of two million homes by Feb 2011.

5) Computerize every American’s health record by 2014.

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
- Hermann Goering

Cyclo, You still haven't figured out that ican can "never" provide evidence for his stance on anything. His inability to interpret the Constitution should be a clue that anything that has to do with our government operation will be be wrong when he offers any opinion about it.

At the time I met him--many years after Goebbels had died--he still hadn't forgiven himself for allowing himself to be deluded by Goebbel's propagandists to believe and hate what they taught him to believe and hate.

Logic and facts are irrelevant to them unless they can be twisted to advance their agnda. We can point out their inconsistencies every time, but it will make no difference to how they choose to behave.