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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2009 08:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
So does being a certain race make one a better judge, as Sotomajor apparently believes?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2009 08:04 pm
@okie,
okie, You even misread what I wrote. Why do you bother asking questions when you haven't answered any of mine? capice?

Go crawl back into your foxie hole.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2009 08:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I did not misread what you wrote. I agree, every person's experience shapes their beliefs, but does that make us think our judgement is superior to others based upon our race, as Sotomayer apparently does? Does it, ci, answer the question.

If she was a white person that said that, she would not have made it to first base, not even out of the batters box, and you know it.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2009 08:15 pm
And on we go. . . . .

Quote:
Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals
Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:32 PM
By: David A. Patten

On Friday, Democrats moved one step closer to giving free health insurance to the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal aliens when they successfully defeated a Republican-backed amendment, offered by Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama.

The House Ways and Means Committee nixed the Heller amendment by a 26-to-15 vote along straight party lines, and followed this action by passing the 1,018-page bill early Friday morning by a 23-to-18 margin, with three Democrats voting against the plan.

The Democratic plan will embrace Obama’s vision of bringing free government medical care to more than 45 million uninsured people in America " a significant portion of whom are illegal aliens.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, costs under the Obama plan being proposed by the House will saddle citizens with $1.04 trillion in new federal outlays over the next decade.

Congressional Democrats and Obama have argued that their health plan is necessary to contain rising health care costs.

But, last Thursday, CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf testified before the Senate Budget Committee and warned lawmakers that the proposed “legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs."

A key factor increasing costs is that Democratic plan provides for blanket coverage to as much as 15 percent of the U.S. population not currently insured, including illegals.

MORE HERE:
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/health_care_obama/2009/07/19/237484.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2009 08:19 pm
@okie,
You are trying to imply something not stated in my post. Go use your imagination with other posters; you're a pest of the worst kind on a2k. You never answer my questions, but has the audacity to ask me questions. I'm just telling you to go **** yourself.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2009 08:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm just telling you to go **** yourself.


How very liberal of you.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2009 08:30 pm
@H2O MAN,
I guess ci can't answer a question. Oh well, thumbs down works good. He has gotten awful nasty lately, perhaps proportionate to his hero, Obama's approval numbers. As they drop, ci's attitude is going south.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2009 08:38 pm
@okie,


As of late, cice has gotten quite nasty and offensive. Can someone do a drive-by and make sure cice is OK?
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2009 09:09 pm
@ican711nm,
The irony here dude is that in terms of LIBEL, it's you that continues to make false claims.

You can ramble on about your perceptions about Obama and his administration or the Dem controlled Congress, but your ability to perceive well is dubious at best, and you aren't doing yourself any favors by demanding impeachment. You only demonstrate how shallow your understanding of the constitution is.

If you can't understand the constitution, I'm not inclined to believe you have any greater understanding of the other words you like to vomit out such as "statist." Your thinly veiled endeavor to find a negative brand for the current admin is immature.

Obama hasn't broke any law as you like to repeat. You post libel, not me.

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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jul, 2009 09:32 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

I did not misread what you wrote. I agree, every person's experience shapes their beliefs, but does that make us think our judgement is superior to others based upon our race, as Sotomayer apparently does? Does it, ci, answer the question.

If she was a white person that said that, she would not have made it to first base, not even out of the batters box, and you know it.

The emphasis of her statement is on "experience" not on race. She didn't say that Latinas are smarter/superior to white males. Your offense to her statement is overblown.

If I said that a blind person probably knows batter about the experience of being blind than a person who is not, am I saying that blind people are superior? Are you offended that someone thinks they understand blindness better than you because you've closed your eyes before?

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 05:31 am
@okie,


cice & tko used to be bunk mates... maybe tko can check in in cice ???
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 05:35 am
@H2O MAN,
Playing the race card again, el maricón?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 05:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,


Walter Hinteler hates and fears homosexuals!

Walter has deep rooted problems!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 05:46 am



RNC Chairman Rips Obama Health Care 'Cabal'
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 07:44 am
@H2O MAN,


Now that is strange.

From the WSJ article you linked, H2O:
Quote:
Obama-Pelosi want to start building a colossal, closed health care system where Washington decides. Republicans want and support an open health care system where patients and doctors make the decisions," Steele said in excerpts of his speech made available in advance.

Obama has repeatedly said he does not favor a government-run health care system. Legislation taking shape in the House envisions private insurance companies selling coverage in competition with the government.


From the Newsmax piece I posted last night:
Quote:
On Friday, Democrats moved one step closer to giving free health insurance to the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal aliens when they successfully defeated a Republican-backed amendment, offered by Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama.

The House Ways and Means Committee nixed the Heller amendment by a 26-to-15 vote along straight party lines, and followed this action by passing the 1,018-page bill early Friday morning by a 23-to-18 margin, with three Democrats voting against the plan.

The Democratic plan will embrace Obama’s vision of bringing free government medical care to more than 45 million uninsured people in America " a significant portion of whom are illegal aliens.


It's kind of like the nationalization of banks and industry. The government doesn't have to hold title to the property. It only has to control those who operate the business and voila!. We have a nice, comfortable, soft facist-socialist system. What difference does it make if we lose some freedoms in the process?

So do we technically retain a private healthcare system--the government won't be running it--if the government tells the people that they must take out private insurance or they will pay a substantial fine? That you have to have the insurance the government dictates? When government will be in competition with private insurance?

How gullible are we supposed to be?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 08:04 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

So do we technically retain a private healthcare system--the government won't be running it--if the government tells the people that they must take out private insurance or they will pay a substantial fine? That you have to have the insurance the government dictates? When government will be in competition with private insurance?

How gullible are we supposed to be?




What you call a "soft facist-socialist system" [facist or fascist?]is a more than one hundred years old conservative idea, rooted in the Christian idea of subsidarity, and nowadays - in the last 60 years - part of the constitutional "welfare state" (opposite to common belief of some in the USA, in European welfare states welfare is not actually provided by the state).
Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 08:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I am not a Christian, but Catholic Social Teaching does have its moments. American Conservatives might want to read up on it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 08:28 am
Once again the conservatives/MACs are trying to push the idea that Palin has more government management experience than Obama. They show they have no knowledge of history, because those on this list are the very people they have shown their unrelenting support for. Either they are for or against, but they can't have it both ways.

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Presidents Without Executive Experience

Jonathan Bourne, my unindicted coconspiritor on the Drudge Retort, answered an interesting question on his blog: Which presidents ran for the job with no prior government experience as an executive?

Below is a list of Presidents were never a U.S. Vice President, a major Cabinet Secretary, governor or mayor.

* John F. Kennedy
* Dwight Eisenhower
* (Herbert Hoover prior to becoming President had served as Secretary of Commerce)
* (William Howard Taft prior to becoming President was Provisional Governor of Cuba)
* Benjamin Harrison
* James A. Garfield
* Ulysses S. Grant
* Abraham Lincoln
* Franklin Pierce
* Zachary Taylor
* (Andrew Jackson prior to becoming President was the first Military Governor of Florida -- I'm not sure if that's more a military position or an Executive position)
* George Washington prior to becoming President was our nation's first Commander In Chief, but this was at the time a military position. Washington had Legislative experience -- he was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses and was elected president of the Constitutional Convention of 1787.

Unlike Sara Palin, I think America benefited from the service of Executive branch novices like Lincoln, Eisenhower and Kennedy.

Whomever our next President is, one thing's for certain -- he'll be the first President in over 40 years to have had no Executive Branch experience.

I'm glad the next president is going to come from the Senate, where they'll have working knowledge of how Washington functions. Governors are overrated.


Especially from a state with a population smaller than most big cities on the mainland.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 08:28 am
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

I am not a Christian, but Catholic Social Teaching does have its moments. American Conservatives might want to read up on it.


I was under the impression that the Catholic Social Teaching focuses on charity and benevolence, meaning that people give voluntarily as they can of their bounty. Anything else would not be labeled 'charity'. I am unaware of any Catholic teaching that authorizes authorites to forcibly take property of one person in order to give to another.

The difference between American Conservatives these days and American liberals these days is that American Conservatives think charity is a voluntary and commendable act and something to be encouraged. Liberals seem to think that charity is you forcibly taking what I have and giving it to yourself or somebody else so that you can feel righteous.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jul, 2009 08:38 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:



The difference between American Conservatives these days and American liberals these days is that American Conservatives think charity is a voluntary and commendable act and something to be encouraged. Liberals seem to think that charity is you forcibly taking what I have and giving it to yourself or somebody else so that you can feel righteous.


Well said!
 

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