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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:01 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:
If what you are saying is true, then you may bring a Bivens action against Obama, as a government actor, for violations of your constitutional rights.

Thank you! I hadn't thought of a "Bivens action". I'll immediately look into what are the procedures one must follow to launch a "Bivens action." If what you suggest is valid, I will ask a few of my lawyer friends to help me. They have already offered their "pro bono" support, if I can find a way to launch a lawful citizen's attack on Obama's unconstitutional actions.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

icon is all bark and no action. I'd be surprised if he ever followed up with action on anything in his life after all his barks.


Meanwhile... cice girls harelipped bark is less threatening than her snaggletoothed bite.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I agree we should encourage ican to pursue his legal case against Obama....


Goody! Encouragers need to stand up to those who want to knock us down. I was encouraging ican. I was giving him my best "yes you can!" pep talk, and then someone voted down my post. I am the victim of numbnut anti-encouragers who attack good people who embrace encouragement ideology because they have no encouragement ideas themselves.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:09 pm
@Debra Law,
Almost all of the negativity on able2know are from MACs and conservatives. They "never" offer any solutions, but just manage to bitch and lie about most issues being discussed.
Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:11 pm
No to negativity!
Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:15 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Debra Law wrote:
If what you are saying is true, then you may bring a Bivens action against Obama, as a government actor, for violations of your constitutional rights.

Thank you! I hadn't thought of a "Bivens action". I'll immediately look into what are the procedures one must follow to launch a "Bivens action." If what you suggest is valid, I will ask a few of my lawyer friends to help me. They have already offered their "pro bono" support, if I can find a way to launch a lawful citizen's attack on Obama's unconstitutional actions.


Good for you! http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1984.gif
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:17 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

No to negativity!


I'll say "no" to negativity! Let's all say "no" to negativity! http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1984.gif
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:25 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:
Ican, please provide us with a definition of "much".

Please do some fact checking and substantiate your claim that "much" of her "judicial decision AUTHORSHIP record" has been overruled by the USSC. Please provide us with the number of decisions that she has authored during her 17 years on the bench, and provide us with the number of those authored cases which were overruled by the USSC.

I believe you are wrong when you claim that 7 decisions she authored have been overruled by the USSC. Can you provide us with a list of the cases?

My comments about Sotomayor relate only to her written opinions in her 10.75 years on the Court of Appeals, 2nd District.

In my vernacular:
a couple = two;
a few = three;
several = four;
much = five or more.
Quote:

http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Sonia_Sotomayor#Reversals
Reversals
The Supreme Court has reversed Judge Sotomayor in seven instances where it granted certiorari to review an opinion she authored.
...
Ricci v. DeStefano 530 F.3d 87 (2d Cir. 2008):
...
Riverkeeper, Inc. vs. EPA (475 F.3d 83, 2007):
...
Correctional Servs. Corp. v. Malesko, (534 U.S. 61, 2001):
...
Knight v. C.I.R., (128 S.Ct. 782, 2008.):
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Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith, Inc. v. Dabit, (547 U.S. 71, 2006):
...
New York Times, Inc. v. Tasini, (533 U.S. 483, 2001):
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The European Community vs. RJR Nabisco (Case remanded back to the Second Circuit, then reversed)(125 S.Ct. 1968, 2005) (424 F.3d 175, 2005): ...
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Almost all of the negativity on able2know are from MACs and conservatives.


That's a lie.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
( : - ) )

Cicerone imposter, my grandfather, when introduced to the women he knew I wanted to (and eventually did) marry, said, " When [ican] want's something, he goes after it, and he gets it."
Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:35 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Almost all of the negativity on able2know are from MACs and conservatives.


That's a lie.


If that's a lie, H2O MAN, then why do you automatically thumb down all of our posts?

I'm really starting to feel bad. http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:I0n9j5KXSQ4EXM::static.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/8/9/2/large/298015.jpg

Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:36 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

( : - ) )

Cicerone imposter, my grandfather, when introduced to the women he knew I wanted to (and eventually did) marry, said, " When [ican] want's something, he goes after it, and he gets it."


How many women did you marry?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:38 pm
@Debra Law,
waterboy's posts are mostly all negativity, so I quit reading his junk mail.

Even he can't see how negative his own posts are; that's a conservative disease that's prevalent on a2k.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:38 pm
@Debra Law,



It keeps liberal negativity from permeating my screen.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 03:53 pm
The beginning of a "Bivens Action" search!
Quote:

http://www.justice-denied.net/Bivens_Justice.htm
BIVENS ACTIONS allowing for Damages remedies for constitutional violations committed by federal agents were not available until 1971. The Supreme Court had long held that federal courts had the power to grant relief not expressly authorized by statute as well as the power to adjust remedies to grant relief made necessary by the particular circumstances of the case at hand.
However, it was not until the Court's decision in Bivens v. 6 unknown named federal agents 403US388, 91SCT1999, 29LE2d 619(1971) that a violation of a specific constitutional amendment by a Federal employee was recognized as a cause of action for monetary damages.

Without Bivens Actions, the right to hold Federal employees personally liable for malicious, vicious and even depraved actions is severely limited under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and subsequent revisions. For example, a Federal, former Federal employee or non Federal employee treated with grievous and malicious indifference, would have no recourse to file suit against the parties involved in US Federal Court. A Federal Employee would only have recourse to filing against the "Department Head," such as the Attorney General. Thus, people responsible for acts of brutality and sadism in violation of the United States Constitution, would be protected by the Federal Government. This allows for a continuation of these actions against others.

In the case of Bivens vs six employees of the US Department of Justice, the Plaintiff alleged that Federal Agents had arrested him and searched his home without a warrant or probable cause in violation of the 4th amendment's ban against unreasonable searches and seizures.

The Court upheld the reasonableness of the complaint in the face of a motion to dismiss for failure to state a cause of action. They rejected the argument that a State Tort action provided an adequate and exclusive judicial remedy.

Even though there was no specific authority for such a civil action in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or any Federal Statute, the Court acknowledged a judicial remedy on the basis of the historic power of the Federal courts to redress personal injury through the particular monetary damages.

These judicially created Causes of Action, known as BIVENS ACTIONS , provided the right to secure monetary damages.

While there was no Federal statutory or constitutional basis for such a cause of action, the historic use of damages by Federal courts as a remedy for the invasion of personal liberty interests led the Court to conclude that a Plaintiff should be allowed to redress a violation of the Plaintiff's 4th amendment rights by the federal employees with a monetary award.

The essence of TRUE CIVIL LIBERTY consists of the right to protection of the laws of the Federal Government. Because of this, the Court concluded that monetary damages were a valid way of enforcing the Constitution.

Furthermore, they felt that reliance on State laws was not sufficient for redress since the states might have a conflict of interest between actions and redress. The Court's concern was what they felt to be a lack of real relief for constitutional violations.

The Court’s additional concern was their perception that an agent of the Federal Government acting unconstitutionally in the name of the U.S., possesses a far greater capacity for harm than an individual exercising less authority.

A remedy of monetary damages for plaintiffs injured by federal officials and agents thus became a means to compensate and vindicate a Plaintiff's claim. As of now, Bivens claims are still primarily used to redress infractions by law enforcement and others in the criminal justice system. On the other hand, the Supreme Court has expanded the scope of a Bivens Action from violations of just the Fourth Amendment so that it now includes violations of the First and Sixth.

The US Supreme Court has subsequently restricted Bivens by refusing to allow Federal employees whose First Amendment rights are violated by their superiors (as in the case of Caryl Leventhal vs. Janet Reno) to file suit against their tormentors. This theory is based on the assumption that they are in an employment relationship governed by "comprehensive" procedural and substantive provisions for giving meaningful remedies. In the Federal suit involving Caryl Leventhal vs. Janet Reno, their assumption has proven itself to be in error. Such over-optimism is evident by reviewing "The Administrative Process" page of this site.


Is the President of the USA a "federal employee"?

Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Article II Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.


As W.C. Fields was fond of saying, "We shall see, my little chickadee!"

Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 04:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

waterboy's posts are mostly all negativity, so I quit reading his junk mail.

Even he can't see how negative his own posts are; that's a conservative disease that's prevalent on a2k.


That's why the conservative/liberal dichotomy that Foxfyre and her ilk are trying to force on us is ALL wrong. It paints an intellectually dishonest portrait of real life. In reality, the two groups are correctly identified as Faux-Conservatives and Mainstreamers.

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 04:13 pm
@Debra Law,


cice girl is just a crybaby and liberals here on A2K are the most unhappy, vile individuals I have ever encountered.
It appears none of you have a sense of humor and most of you would rather die than laugh at yourself... so sad.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 04:19 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

The beginning of a "Bivens Action" search!

. . .

Is the President of the USA a "federal employee"?




Have you heard of a 42 U.S.C. Section 1983 civil rights action against STATE actors? Well, a Bivens action is the FEDERAL counterpart.

The president is a federal government ACTOR. Not that I would tell you how to construct your case, but I wouldn't sue him in his personal capacity for money damages; I would sue him in his official capacity because, as the chief executive officer of this county, it's his job to enforce laws that allegedly deprive YOU of your constitutional rights. (YOU have to have standing to bring a lawsuit.) Accordingly--not that I know much about this--I would sue for a declaratory judgment that specified federal laws/policies are unconstitutional and I would seek injunctive relief (against the president) to prevent their enforcement.

I'll post some links to some cases later for your review!



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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 04:25 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:

http://www.justice-denied.net/Bivens_Justice.htm

Even though there was no specific authority for such a civil action in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or any Federal Statute, the Court acknowledged a judicial remedy on the basis of the historic power of the Federal courts to redress personal injury through the particular monetary damages.

These judicially created Causes of Action, known as BIVENS ACTIONS , provided the right to secure monetary damages.

While there was no Federal statutory or constitutional basis for such a cause of action, the historic use of damages by Federal courts as a remedy for the invasion of personal liberty interests led the Court to conclude that a Plaintiff should be allowed to redress a violation of the Plaintiff's 4th amendment rights by the federal employees with a monetary award.

The essence of TRUE CIVIL LIBERTY consists of the right to protection of the laws of the Federal Government. Because of this, the Court concluded that monetary damages were a valid way of enforcing the Constitution.

...

A Bivens claim can be based on conspiracy of federal agents by showing:

(1) the existence of an express or implied agreement among the defendants to deprive someone of constitutional rights, and

(2) an actual deprivation of those constitutional rights resulting from the agreement.

A remedy of monetary damages for plaintiffs injured by federal officials and agents thus became a means to compensate and vindicate a Plaintiff's claim. As of now, Bivens claims are still primarily used to redress infractions by law enforcement and others in the criminal justice system. On the other hand, the Supreme Court has expanded the scope of a Bivens Action from violations of just the Fourth Amendment so that it now includes violations of the First and Sixth.


Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 04:25 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



cice girl is just a crybaby and MAINSTREAMERS* here on A2K are the most unhappy, vile individuals I have ever encountered.
It appears none of you have a sense of humor and most of you would rather die than laugh at yourself... so sad.


Your opinion is noted, H2O MAN.

How was that for a sense of humor? I thought it good. I laughed. Mainstreamers are truly jolly folks. You would like us if you would stop being so negative, and sad, and grumpy.

*amended to reflect what H2O MAN truly meant if he had used the right word.
 

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