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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 04:28 pm
@ican711nm,
Go for it ican.. Ask your lawyer friends to file a Biven's action...


That ought to get them noticed by the FBI and possibly the CIA..... Shocked
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 04:29 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
In my vernacular:
a couple = two;
a few = three;
several = four;
much = five or more.


Stick to constitutional law, Ican.

'a couple' is a set number but it can be used as a form of politeness when the person intends, say, to take more than two cookies.

Both 'a few' and 'several' are indeterminate but they do have a range, whereas 'many', though also indeterminate, is situation dependent.

You can tell that your description isn't accurate because you've left no room for 'a few' to be modified --> 'quite a few'.

No one would consider a serving of 5 grains of rice to be "much" whereas, a serving of 5 baked potatoes would.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 04:32 pm
@Debra Law,


*amended to reflect what I said.

*negative, sad and grumpy liberals
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 04:36 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

I laughed.


You laughed for all the wrong reasons...
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 04:43 pm
The liberals accuse the MACs of paranoia about all sorts of things, the latest being accusations that the conservatives are paranoid for objecting to selling out the USA in ways that favor foreign governments.

Perhaps somebody would like to defend Secretary of State Clinton for this benefit extended to foreign governments?

Quote:
Bloomberg Slams Clinton: She Stabbed NYC In Back
Marcia Kramer NEW YORK (CBS)

Hillary Clinton was accused Monday of stabbing the Big Apple in the back.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said her betrayal has cost the city $260 million in lost tax revenues and counting.

It didn't take long for Clinton to double cross New York City. Six months into her tenure as secretary of state she has suddenly exempted diplomats from paying some property taxes here.

"It is totally unfair," Bloomberg said.

The mayor said it's not only a double cross but a double flip flop. As New York's junior senator, Clinton fought to make diplomats pay up. And he said her reversal changes a longstanding policy.

"Since 1873 they've been saying this is taxable," Bloomberg said.

What's more, the mayor predicted that -- freed of paying property taxes -- some governments would see it as a business opportunity to buy up properties and make money renting them out.

"It's just patently unfair to New Yorkers and Americans and it contravenes established policy for 130-odd years and it just doesn't make sense," Bloomberg said.
http://wcbstv.com/national/hillary.clinton.flip.2.1084002.html
Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 04:54 pm
@ican711nm,
For review, here's your complaint against Obama:

ican711nm wrote:

Obama has violated and is violating the two clauses in the 5th Amendment bold faced below:
Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Few Conservatives have "jumped on the bandwagon" to attempt to impeach Obama, because they fail to appreciate the huge educational value of that effort to the American voters, regardless of whether or not that effort will succeed in getting enough Democrats to vote for Obama's impeachment, too.



You have alleged that Obama deprived you of your property without due process of law and that Obama took your private property for public use without just compensation in violation of the Fifth Amendment. In other words, this is not a frivolous, run of the mill, tax protestor case. (It isn't, right?)

This is complicated, but this case should give you a good idea of what NOT to do:

Rosa ZAMORA v. Irma GONZALEZ;
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/15/15.F3d.1095.93-55479.html

Let's discuss!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 04:58 pm
@Foxfyre,
So, Foxie, your answer for all the MACs/conservative's paranoia is Clinton's betrayal that will cost the city $260 million in lost tax revenue. Balance that against all the waste under the Bush administration that affected the total country (and the world), and what do we have? No contest.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 05:02 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:

http://www.justice-denied.net/Bivens_Justice.htm
...
On the other hand, the Supreme Court has expanded the scope of a Bivens Action from violations of just the Fourth Amendment so that it now includes violations of the First and Sixth.

PERHAPS THE USSC CAN BE PERSUADED TO ADDITIONALLY EXPAND THE SCOPE OF BIVEN'S ACTIONS TO ALSO INCLUDE THE 5TH AMENDMENT!
Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 05:14 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Go for it ican.. Ask your lawyer friends to file a Biven's action...


That ought to get them noticed by the FBI and possibly the CIA..... Shocked


Probably get them noticed by the "deep throat" operators of a secret program that disappears people into dark, water-board wet places equipped with thumb screws, electrical prods, thumping walls, and small coffin-like boxes filled with spiders. But maybe they might like that kind of thing....
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 05:14 pm
@ican711nm,
Gee, all those Amendments were violated against Japanese-Americans during WWII. The conservatives are now advocating to violate the Constitutional rights of women (free choice), and to deny gays and lesbians the right to marry (and enjoy equal rights under our laws).

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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 05:15 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

Debra Law wrote:

I laughed.


You laughed for all the wrong reasons...


It's a start!
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 05:22 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Debra Law wrote:

I laughed.


You laughed for all the wrong reasons...


It's a start!


Yeah, but you're learning to laugh while the nation cries as her
citizens suffer the hardships brought about by Obamanomics.

It just doesn't seem right, in fact it seems very wrong.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 05:40 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:
PERHAPS THE USSC CAN BE PERSUADED TO ADDITIONALLY EXPAND THE SCOPE OF BIVEN'S ACTIONS TO ALSO INCLUDE THE 5TH AMENDMENT!


Perhaps . . . or perhaps we can go with this plain and simple description of a Bivens action: "Under Bivens, a person can be held liable under color of federal law that deprive another of a constitutional right." (Aren't your rights under the 5th Amendment constitutional rights? I think so--but what do I know?)

This case is educational:

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/15/15.F3d.1095.93-55479.html

Bivens opened the door for persons to sue federal employees in their personal capacities for money damages when their conduct violates a "clearly established" constitutional right of which a reasonable person would have known. (Do you have money damages? Perhaps not....)

You have vaguely alleged 2 violations of the Fifth Amendment. You must specifically state what the president did that constitutes each violation. We can't determine if your constitutional rights were "clearly established" without fleshing out the meat and bones of your allegations.

If you don't have money damages, maybe you should consider suing the president in his official capacity in order to enjoin him from violating the constitution. But then, you have to study the anti-injunction statute to determine if that's possible. There will be obstacles, no doubt, but with your persistence . . . you can think this thing through.



ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 05:50 pm
@Debra Law,
Yes, Debra, let's discuss.

I also want to research and discuss the procedure for filing a complaint such as this directly with the USSC, with my two lawyer friends. Also, I need to decide whether I want to do this pro se, or with a lawyer actually representing me pro bono, rather than merely advising me.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 05:54 pm
@ican711nm,
ican, Good luck and god bless!
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 06:07 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra, it's a class action suit!

The president has spent and is spending our money collected in the form of taxes collected by the federal government to support his unconstitutional activities such as giving that money away to private persons who have not and are not lawfully earning it.

The president is spending money the federal government does not possess and will thereby reduce the value of our privately and lawfully earned dollars, not collected in taxes, via inflation.

More and better later!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 06:10 pm
@ican711nm,
ican, Don't forget the largess given to foreign countries in the billions every year - by every president!
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 06:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I shall focus on Obama's violations of the Constitution. While it's true that Obama's predecessors going back to just 1913, were guilty of violating the Constitution, none of these, including Roosevelt, violated it like Obama has violated it, and is violating it. I want to help rescue my grandchildren's and their contemporaries' futures. I am not interested in punishing Obama or past presidents. I just want to stop Obama from destroying our Constitutional Republic. I pray I am not too late!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 06:51 pm
@ican711nm,
Let us pray...
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jul, 2009 06:26 am
@ican711nm,
How's that Biven's lawsuit working out for you ican? Laughing
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