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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 08:08 am
I thought this article is interesting. It illustrates how political ideologies (of every kind) are searching for a voice in public school curriculum.

Quote:
Curriculum debate marred by ideologues
(Jacquielynn Floyd, Dallas Morning News, July 14, 2009)

A lot of what the expert advisers have to say about the standards for teaching social studies to Texas kids is genuinely depressing stuff.

It's depressing because, as you wade through the half-dozen point-by-point reports that will be used to advise the people deciding what your kids will learn, you might wonder whether the people who oversee our public schools care a lot less about education than they do about ideology.

You might even get the sense they care an awful lot less about helping the next generation of Texans lead meaningful, productive lives than about telling them how to vote.

It's not a big surprise, since some members of the State Board of Education sometimes behave as if schooling children is simply a matter of making them memorize an encyclopedic list of political talking points.

And it's the board that appointed a panel of experts that includes a family-values activist from Aledo and a minister in Massachusetts who specializes in "Christian heritage." It's that awful, embarrassing fight over evolution all over again.

As a result, what is presumably supposed to be a sensible discussion about what children need to learn has been reduced to a self-serving bickering match over who gets to be commandant of the indoctrination camp.

"To have Cesar Chavez listed next to Ben Franklin is ludicrous," snarls one of the panelists; another says kids must be drilled more about Roe vs. Wade, which he says has "arguably more impacted American life than any other Supreme Court decision in the 20th century."

Another expert makes careful tallies over whether curriculum recommendations cite Latinos with the same frequency as black and white historical figures " as if classroom studies can be reduced to a racial quid pro quo of the number of times specific historical figures are mentioned.

It's not all ideological flag-waving, of course " but a lot of it is. There's a silly freedom-fries debate over whether to substitute the term "free enterprise system" for "capitalism," of whether suggested teaching examples should exclude Carl Sagan or Neil Armstrong or the guy who invented canned milk; of whether there are too many women and minorities and not enough founding fathers; of whether religion and the rule of law should be taught with more or less vigor than civil liberties and colonial adventurism.

To actually teach a class observing this delicate balance of political nuance, I'm afraid, would be exhausting to instructors, not to mention puzzling and, in many cases, stupefyingly dull to the students.

Miraculously " or at least astonishingly " in one of the reports, I found that awareness candidly articulated.

Somehow, Dr. Lybeth Hodges, a Texas Woman's University history professor and a last-minute panel appointee, did not see a need to draft a political manifesto. She just made (get this!) sensible, useful curriculum recommendations.

She pointed out items that might actually help kids learn more and be better prepared for tests, such as that specific grade-level curriculum doesn't always match the dreaded TAKS tests.

She noted that there are more than 90 "student expectations" for fifth-graders, an unrealistic pipe dream given that "some sound like test questions I give my college freshmen."

Hodges, unlike some other appointees, took the blessedly pragmatic view that constantly trying to balance dueling ideologies will only result in a bloated, unmanageable list of standards that few kids will find meaningful and retain.

"It should not be a political exercise," she said briskly, when we spoke a few days ago.

"I never thought about the political aspect at all," she said. "I thought we were being asked to do what is reasonable and helpful for teachers. ... They have enough red tape as it is."

As we talked, my head was gradually swaddled in a pleasurable sense of optimism: Here was one person, at least, more interested in getting something useful done than in endlessly re-enacting the same old tired-out culture battle.

Call me a starry-eyed dreamer, but American education isn't supposed to be a tedious exercise in demagoguery.

"To me, teachers aren't there to carry out indoctrination in our schools," Hodges said. "These people are trying to open little minds."

If we're going to open them successfully, we need more big minds at the top.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 08:18 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

It illustrates how political ideologies (of every kind) are searching for a voice in public school curriculum.


The liberal teachers unions make it impossible for any other political ideology to replace
the liberal democrat socialists currently controlling the curriculum in government schools.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 08:20 am
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

parados wrote:
Who said she authored 3000 decisions? Not I.
True! I did not say that either.

But I did say Sotomayor did have 7 of the decisions she authored as a member of the Court of Appeals, 2nd district, overruled by the USSC.

No ican.. you said THIS
Quote:
Cice, that's FALSE! Republican committee members are looking at Sotomayor's judicial decision record and are determining that much of it has been overruled by the USSC.

For over 3000 cases Sotomayor has a record of a judicial decision.
I pointed that out. You then quoted THIS in support of your claim..
Quote:
The Supreme Court has reversed Judge Sotomayor in seven instances where it granted certiorari to review an opinion she authored.



7 cases out of over 3000 is not evidence of much of her judicial record has been overturned. It is evidence that LITTLE of her judicial record has been overturned. It is less than one case a year.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 08:20 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:
The liberal teachers unions make it impossible for any other political ideology to replace
the liberal democrat socialists currently controlling the curriculum in government schools.


I knew that there was a reason why the USA is the best nation.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 08:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
The liberal teachers unions make it impossible for any other political ideology to replace
the liberal democrat socialists currently controlling the curriculum in government schools.


I knew that there was a reason why the USA is the best nation.


The USA is the best nation despite liberal teachers unions controlling the curriculum in government schools.
Self reliant parents (the few that remain) are home schooling or investing in private schools thus bypassing
the liberal teachers unions, government schools and the dumbmasses they turn out.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 09:16 am
@H2O MAN,
I see. So you were home schooled, too, I suppose, when reading your responses here.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 09:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,


Are you projecting, asking a question or being an annoying little prick?
parados
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 10:47 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



Are you projecting, asking a question or being an annoying little prick?


Wow.. You managed to fit all three of those in one short post Squirt. Good job.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 11:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
I listened to a really good interview with Ms. Youn on the radio last night.
http://www.cbc.ca/radioshows/AS_IT_HAPPENS/20090713.shtml

Really put a lot of the Sotomayor yakkity-yak into perspective.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/sotomayor
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 11:54 am
@ehBeth,
What most people fail to realize is how Sotomayor has actually judged on the bench on some 3000 cases, and not on one statement she made some eight years ago.

The conservatives have lost all common sense - and how they manage to retain any ethics or respect is a whole new other question.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 11:58 am
@cicerone imposter,


cice girl, you fail to realize that most people just don't care.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 01:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Obama has violated and is violating the two clauses in the 5th Amendment bold faced below:
Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Few Conservatives have "jumped on the bandwagon" to attempt to impeach Obama, because they fail to appreciate the huge educational value of that effort to the American voters, regardless of whether or not that effort will succeed in getting enough Democrats to vote for Obama's impeachment, too.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 01:55 pm
@parados,
I said both of these statements:
(1) Republican committee members are looking at Sotomayor's judicial decision record and are determining that much of it has been overruled by the USSC;
(2) Sotomayor did have 7 of the decisions she authored as a member of the Court of Appeals, 2nd district, overruled by the USSC.

In the case of (1), I should have said: Republican committee members are looking at Sotomayor's judicial decision AUTHORSHIP record and are determining that much of it has been overruled by the USSC;
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 02:07 pm
@ican711nm,
ican, Do you read your own stuff? Sotomayor was a member of the Court of Appeals. In other words, she was in concert with her associates on the law - or as people call "mainstream."

Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 02:11 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Obama has violated and is violating the two clauses in the 5th Amendment bold faced below:
Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Few Conservatives have "jumped on the bandwagon" to attempt to impeach Obama, because they fail to appreciate the huge educational value of that effort to the American voters, regardless of whether or not that effort will succeed in getting enough Democrats to vote for Obama's impeachment, too.



If what you are saying is true, then you may bring a Bivens action against Obama, as a government actor, for violations of your constitutional rights. If you truly believe your own words, you are wasting your time posting them on this board. You should be taking action to put an end to this litany of violations. Keep us informed on your progress.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 02:13 pm
@Debra Law,
ican is all bark and no teeth. He'd be laughed out of court or any attorney's office.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 02:20 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

I said both of these statements:
(1) Republican committee members are looking at Sotomayor's judicial decision record and are determining that much of it has been overruled by the USSC;

(2) Sotomayor did have 7 of the decisions she authored as a member of the Court of Appeals, 2nd district, overruled by the USSC.

In the case of (1), I should have said: Republican committee members are looking at Sotomayor's judicial decision AUTHORSHIP record and are determining that much of it has been overruled by the USSC;


Ican, please provide us with a definition of "much".

Please do some fact checking and substantiate your claim that "much" of her "judicial decision AUTHORSHIP record" has been overruled by the USSC. Please provide us with the number of decisions that she has authored during her 17 years on the bench, and provide us with the number of those authored cases which were overruled by the USSC.

I believe you are wrong when you claim that 7 decisions she authored have been overruled by the USSC. Can you provide us with a list of the cases?

Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 02:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

ican is all bark and no teeth. He'd be laughed out of court or any attorney's office.


JTT has downloaded all of Ican's constitutional posts. Ican is an expert on constitutional law. If he doesn't have access to all of his brilliant posts, perhaps JTT will send him a copy of the electronic file. It should be very easy for someone with his expertise, skills, and tenacity to serve as his own pro se counsel in a Bivens action.

Even if those pesky lower courts dismiss his case pursuant to a Rule 11, Rule 12(b)(vi), or Rule 56 motion, the battle to vindicate conservative memes must continue. Ican could very well be the next Ricci plaintiff fighting the dismissal of his honorable claims all the way to the highest court in the land wherein 5 of the greatest conservative justices in our history will jump up and down in glee. Ican, you can do it! Yes you can!
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 02:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
... Sotomayor was a member of the Court of Appeals. In other words, she was in concert with her associates on the law - or as people call "mainstream."

True!

Nonetheless, the Republicans are examining the opinions that Sotomayor authored to better determine whether or not she is qualified to serve on the USSC. I think that is an excellent idea!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 02:51 pm
@Debra Law,
I agree we should encourage ican to pursue his legal case against Obama, but icon is all bark and no action. I'd be surprised if he ever followed up with action on anything in his life after all his barks.
 

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