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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 11:51 am
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Read the following not rationally deniable truth.

Quote:

A CONSERVATIVE MANIFESTO BY MARK R. LEVIN, PAGES 193 " 205.

[SNIP]


Ican: First you must establish that you're capable of rational thought and discerning fact from fiction before any of your grand pronouncements in large font may be considered credible. All you have posted is an irrational "to do" list for conservatives and an irrational screed against liberals. Try to be pragmatic.

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 12:00 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

you must establish that you're capable of rational thought and discerning fact from fiction




Practice what you preach sister.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 12:02 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
maybe there is an adult in the room that could explain it to you.


Chronologically, you seem to be an adult, perhaps you could explain it.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 12:09 pm
@JTT,


Gladly, but explain your mental malfunction first?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 12:18 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra, first you must establish "that you're capable of rational thought and discerning fact from fiction before any of your grand pronouncements ... may be considered credible."

I recommend you start by learning how to make rational rebuttals of that with which you think you disagree.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 12:30 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
Limit federal spending each year to less than 20% of the gross domestic product.

Foxfyre: "I hadn't remembered this one but it is a brilliant concept though I think 20% is too much and it should be stipulated that it be limited to GDP generated through private, not government, enterprise."

I agree! I like a limit equal to or less than 13% of the GDP.

I'm influenced by the fact that the American Flag has 13 stripes. ; - )
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 03:47 pm
Quote:
Five signers (of the Declaration of Independence) were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.

Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.
They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr, noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over his home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The Redcoats jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.

Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: “For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.” They gave you and me a free and independent America.

The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn’t fight just the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn’t. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It’s not much to ask for the price they paid.

Remember: freedom is never free!
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Whatever you’re doing this weekend, be that a Tea Party or just time with friends and family… remember the sacrifice our founding fathers made.

The American Liberty Alliance wishes you a very safe and Happy Independence Day!

For Liberty,
-Eric Odom
Executive Director
American Liberty Alliance

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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 07:37 pm
Sarah, we shall miss you so.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 07:44 pm
Andrew Sullivan on today's news...
Quote:
In the end, I think, the one thing to say is that the Republican party is in such a total state of collapse and incoherence that it actually believed she could be a future president


Josh Marshall...
Quote:
Perhaps the best part of Palin's announcement today:

Quote:
Life is too short to compromise time and resources... it may be tempting and more comfortable to just keep your head down, plod along, and appease those who demand: "Sit down and shut up", but that's the worthless, easy path; that's a quitter's way out.

Quitters stick to it. Winners quit.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 10:58 pm
Sampling of the week's political cartoons:

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/cb0701wj20090701034420.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/payn090629_03_cmyk20090702100005.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/GM090630CLR-BoxerThe20090701024449.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/cb0702wj20090702052518.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm09070120090702115716.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sbr070509dAPR20090703025457.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/Gamble_T2009062620090624074306.jpg

http://thoughtfulconservative.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/the_week_8396_29.jpg
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 12:55 am
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Debra, first you must establish "that you're capable of rational thought and discerning fact from fiction before any of your grand pronouncements ... may be considered credible."

If you want an exercise in discerning fact from fiction, I suggest you compare the largely fanciful chain e-mail that you posted with this analysis from Snopes.com
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 03:27 am
@blatham,
Quote:
Sarah, we shall miss you so.


Damn, I was going to write something snide about soon-to-be-ex-governor Palin for today the 4th of July.

Maybe I should be glad about another patently unsuitable (and borderline unhinged) conservative presidential candidate.
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 06:24 am
@joefromchicago,
Quote:
If you [Ican] want an exercise in discerning fact from fiction


Perhaps will not want such an exercise. Presently, Ican enjoys substantial inertia.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 06:36 am
@McTag,
Hi McT
Sorry about that. I came home yesterday from our new store for lunch and turned on the TV about 20 minutes after her announcement, heard the news item, then went to my computer. The blog world was already aflame, holiday notwithstanding. Her press conference, though clearly hasty, had living birds in the background to commend it. Otherwise, the two quotes above (from Sullivan and Marshall) provide the essential context.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 08:39 am
Ought we to note today that an old and soggy tea bag, already used once or twice or thrice, isn't likely to appeal to many who actually have taste buds?

Surely, something somewhen will work for this movement upon which God has sent such an unremitting pestilense?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 08:56 am
A typically bright quote from Drew Westen
Quote:
The American people were tired of a Republican Party that had nothing to offer but the rhetoric of their most influential leaders, Herbert Hoover and Joe McCarthy...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/hoping-for-audacity_b_218843.html
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 11:44 am
http://s456.photobucket.com/albums/qq289/LindaBee_2008/th_TEAPARTY.jpg

I'm still trying to get hold of a list of 125 idiotic stimulus and omnibus spending projects totaling more than $1 trillion that Sean Hannity read on air this week, many if not most of which will create no significant jobs at all. But this article illustrates some of the problem:

Quote:
Senator says billions wasted on stimulus
By Stephen Dinan (Contact) and Kara Rowland (Contact) |
Tuesday, June 16, 2009

Self-appointed waste-watcher Sen. Tom Coburn says he's already identified as much as $5.5 billion in wasteful or bad projects among the economic-stimulus expenditures on tap. . . .

. . . .The $787 billion stimulus bill passed in February, with President Obama saying it would provide jobs and critics fearing it would boost U.S. debt without doing much to help the economy. While saying the bill has helped, Mr. Obama last week acknowledged that his administration needs to get the money out faster.

As with so much of the stimulus bill, waste appears to depend on who's doing the evaluating.

Mr. Coburn blasts $3.5 million for bike-path construction in Milford, Mass., saying the state still has $80 million in previous unspent money for bike paths. He also calls out a Rochester, N.Y., plan to spend $360,000 for energy-efficient street lights and questions a Miami plan to use $2.1 million to relocate an aging bus terminal.

But the Obama administration says with repeated objections to bike paths or alternative-energy projects, Mr. Coburn's opposition seems to be more ideological than based on waste.

Officials say they are adjusting to criticism and point to an instance when a road and an environmental cleanup were both set for the same area. After questions were raised by Sen. Pat Roberts, Kansas Republican, the administration adjusted the schedule so the roadwork would happen first, making sure there wouldn't be a need for a second cleanup later.

One of the environmental projects Mr. Coburn takes aim at is in Florida, where state transportation officials have devoted $3.4 million to tackling roadkill on U.S. Highway 27 near Lake Jackson.

A 13-foot tunnel is being constructed under the highway to accommodate the more than 60 species of animals that have met an untimely end on the road, which most frequently claims the lives of turtles.

Foxfyre's question: Do they really think they will be able to convince a lot of turtles to use that tunnel?

The wildlife crossing is only in the design stages, however, and requires $6 million to be completed.

The senator also singles out a Nevada firm fired for mishandling a weatherization program; the company was given $2 million in taxpayer funds to resume its work.

Mr. Coburn said that contrary to Mr. Obama's pledge, the Web site that is supposed to give Americans a look at how the money is being spent is not up to the task.

"Taxpayers who will be left paying for every wasteful stimulus project deserve a full accounting of where their money is going," he said.

Some of Mr. Coburn's targets in the report have already been halted.

He objected to more than $1 million in stimulus funds going toward repairing a guardrail around a dried-up lake that receives few visitors. The man-made Optima Lake in the Oklahoma Panhandle was built in the 1960s and never filled up with water. The Army Corps of Engineers initially said the new $1.15 million guardrail was needed for public safety, but skepticism by Mr. Coburn and local officials scuttled that project late last week, according to local news reports.

Mr. Coburn also argues that the phrase "shovel-ready" doesn't necessarily denote importance. Rather than repairing a failing bridge in Blooming Grove, Wis., that accommodates more than 85,000 cars a day, state officials are instead targeting 37 little-used rural bridges.

In one case, $430,000 was used to fund repairs to an Iowa County bridge that carries about 10 cars a day. Officials are pumping $840,000 into another bridge that sees an average of 260 cars a day.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/16/senator-says-billions-wasted-on-stimulus/
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 01:04 pm
@joefromchicago,
Can you provide rational evidence that Snopes is a more credible source than is Eric Odom?
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 01:10 pm
@blatham,
The American people WERE NOT TIRED of a Republican Party that had nothing to offer but the rhetoric of their most influential leaders, Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan.

The American people WERE TIRED of a Republican Party that had nothing to offer but emulation of the rhetoric and actions of the Democratic Party.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 01:34 pm
You Statists are supporting fools and/or frauds. It is unlikely that Obama is dumb enough to believe that emulating FDR and then some will produce any better effect than did FDR before WWII. It is possible he is dumb enough to believe that. But I think he is smart enough to know that emulating FDR and then some will turn America into a complete Statist society no longer operating in support of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
Mark R. Levin in his book, LIBERTY AND TYRANNY, Page 4, wrote:
As the word liberal is, in its classical meaning, the opposite of authoritarian, it is more accurate, therefore, to characterize the Modern Liberal as a Statist.

Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=statism&x=32&y=8
Main Entry: stat·ism
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Function: noun
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: concentration of all economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government
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