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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 01:54 pm
@ican711nm,
YOU dare to accuse others of being dumb, of being a fool and/or a fraud, Itry.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 02:02 pm
@ican711nm,
Mark R. Levin in his book, LIBERTY AND TYRANNY, Page 204, wrote:

10. THE CONSTITUTION
Demand that all public servants, elected or appointed, at all times uphold the Constitution and justify their public acts under the Constitution.
...

Our Founders in the Declaration of Independence, wrote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Our Founders in the Constitution of the United States, wrote:
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Our Founders in the Constitution of the United States, wrote:
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


JTT
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 02:12 pm
@ican711nm,
Don't hold out any great hope that either you or Levin will be appointed anytime soon to the USSC, Itry.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 02:14 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
YOU dare to accuse others of being dumb, of being a fool and/or a fraud, Itry.

Statists are supporting emulation of FDR, and then some, to produce a better effect than did FDR before WWII. I find it difficult to believe that Statists do not know that emulating FDR, and then some, this time will turn America into a complete Statist society no longer operating in support of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

Therefore, I suspect Statists are fools AND frauds, and do infact dare accuse them of such here and now!
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 02:17 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Don't hold out any great hope that either you or Levin will be appointed anytime soon to the USSC, Itry.

Good God, I sure hope not! I'd rather Sarah Palin be elected President and appoint people to the USSC even more qualified!
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 02:28 pm
@ican711nm,
What do you think a Palin presidency would look like?
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 02:52 pm
@ican711nm,
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The American people WERE NOT TIRED of a Republican Party that had nothing to offer but the rhetoric of their most influential leaders, Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan.

The American people WERE TIRED of a Republican Party that had nothing to offer but emulation of the rhetoric and actions of the Democratic Party.


How odd then that they would elect so many Democrats at state and federal levels and, of course, as President. Your thesis (may I call it a thesis?) doesn't seem attached to real things.
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 03:14 pm
@Foxfyre,
Like a late Dali, but less coherent.

You don't really imagine the chances of this happening rise much above zero, do you?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 03:23 pm
As Steve Coll at the New Yorker put it,
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"I'd bet on the dead fish."
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 03:23 pm
@Foxfyre,
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What do you think a Palin presidency would look like?


A greater embarrassment to the US of A than the Bush presidency.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 03:29 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
What do you think a Palin presidency would look like?

Palin would probably want:
(1) More support for the Constitution by appointing federal judges that make decisions consistent with the Constitution.
(2) Less federal spending;
(3) Less taxes on all personal incomes, corporations, inheritances, fuels, and other energy consumption;
(4) Fewer federal employees;
(5) More oil drilling, lifting, refining, and consumption;
(6) More coal mining and burning for energy production;
(7) More nuclear power plants;
(8) A strong military;
(9) More opposition to totalitarian governments.
(10) More private health care insurances choices;
(11) More private retirement insurances choices;
(12) Photo IDs for all voters voting in federal elections.

Palin would probably not want:
(1) Cap and Trade
(2) Single payer health insurance;
(3) Open borders;
(4) Federal aid to education of non-federal employees.
(5) Campaign finance Laws;
(6) Federal charities and subsidies.

She would probably be elected with large Republican majorities in the House and Senate. She would probably be more successful eliminating what she does not want than obtaining what she does want.

Oh yes! One more thing. The media--NYT, WP, BG, LAT, ABC, CBS, NBC, and their subsidiaries--will slander her and her family throughout her campaign and her presidency. I hope that under that harassment she will be able to keep focused on her list of wants and dont-wants.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 03:35 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
How odd then that they would elect so many Democrats at state and federal levels and, of course, as President. Your thesis (may I call it a thesis?) doesn't seem attached to real things.

Not odd at all. The voters were angry--including me and my neighbors--that the Republicans betrayed them and their beliefs. Many of them--not me and few of my neighbors--voted for the Democrats because Obama promised change. Now that they know what change Obama has in mind, they will vote Republican if the Republicans stop their damnable efforts to emulate Democrats.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 03:37 pm
@ican711nm,
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One more thing. The media--NYT, WP, BG, LAT, ABC, CBS, NBC, and their subsidiaries--will slander her and her family

Not to mention Krauthammer on Fox, and Jonah Goldberg (BEFORE yesterday's announcement) and Michael Gerson last night
Quote:
I mean, you know, high office is not just an honor like she talked about; it's a responsibility to, you know, keep your commitments, in this case. She seems to be leaving for reasons that are entirely unclear. I mean, she didn't make them clear in her announcement.

It seemed fundamentally unserious, which is problematic for someone who has a seriousness problem. And today I felt like she seemed more like a spoiled celebrity than a serious public official, and that's bound to hurt her.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 03:41 pm
@ican711nm,
That's certainly seems to be in keeping with Republican/MAC values, Itry; elect a president that is at least as dumb as their electorate.

It seems that you wrote this with a straight face, without even considering the consequences of a Palin run for office, let alone a successful run. But if that were to happen, the Mirror might then only ask how a much smaller number of people could be so dumb.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 03:54 pm
@JTT,
It is Obama presidency that is the greatest embarrassment "to the US of A than the Bush presidency." Obama is a complete Statist. Palin is not a Statist. Statists have been and are the greatest embarrassment to the US of A in our history. Statists regard the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the USA as, at best, quaint old no longer relevant historical documents, because they do not want to secure our liberty. They want to secure our compliance to their version of a utopian state. They do not seek equal liberty for us all to pursue our own objectives. They seek equal property for us all, excepting the property they own or will come to own.

Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=statism&x=32&y=8
Main Entry: stat•ism
...
: concentration of all economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government
...

JTT
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 03:56 pm
@ican711nm,
What word are the Repubs emailing out next week for all you dittoheads to mouth?
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 04:07 pm
@ican711nm,
I like your list and agree with it.

I also agree that the leftist numbnuts and media as well as self-serving partisan Democrats would do their damndest to give her no chance at all to govern or get her message out . She would have almost none of the free ride to deliver a message that Barack Obama has had.

I think she has the intelligence, intuitiveness, and instincts to quickly and effectively learn what she needs to know and to chart a practical and effective game plan. I think she would be honest and forthright and a person of integrity who would quickly win the hearts and support of those who want change for the better that we can believe in. That would go for many on the Left who now are desperately trying to pretend that they can believe in the change they now have found out that they voted for.

I have two primary concerns:

First, I don't want to see her as viciously savaged as those on the Left will savage her. I can't imagine anybody wanting to put herself or her family through that. The so-called compassionate and caring liberal can be one of the most viscious and unconscionably savage creatures on Earth toward those they disagree with or who get in their way or who expose their flaws and weaknesses.

Quote:
(From Drudge this afternoon:
MAUREEN DOWD TRASHES 'NUTTY' PALIN
Sat Jul 04 2009 14:40:36 ET

NY TIMES Op-Ed Queen Maureen Dowd runs out of adjectives and insults while ripping away at Alaska Governor Sarah Palin in an upcoming Sunday column.

Palin is "one nutty puppy", in the mind of Dowd, newsroom sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT, with "erratic and egoistic behavior".

Dowd spits her holiday barbecue in 800 words, designed for fireworks.

"Exquisite battiness... solipsistic meltdown so strange... incoherent, breathless and prickly... Sarah's country-music melodramas... girlish burbling."

Developing... )


Second, I am not yet confident that she has connections to be able to draft the most effective and capable team to assist and advise her so that she is not at the mercy of the the old guard GOP machine to do that.

But if the winds of fate are with her and she gets the chance, I would bet you a good Texas steakhouse ribeye dinner that she would win over Krauthammer within six months. Smile

Wilso
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 04:10 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

What do you think a Palin presidency would look like?


You can't be serious. I mean, you seem reasonably smart to me. You can't possibly think that that dribbling airhead, could be good for either the US or the world. Every time I hear Palin mentioned, I expect someone to jump up and say April fool. SHE'S A ******* MORON.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 04:11 pm
@JTT,
Ahaa, JTT! You think electing Palin is electing "a president at least as dumb as the electorate!"

You have just made it clear by implication of this remark of yours that you think the electorate is dumber than you are. Most of them are not as dumb as you are. Most of them are smart enough to abhor Statism. Most of them love what this country has been and will again be once we rid our government of damnable Statists who actually believe that Statism will improve and not destroy the lawful pursuit of happiness by humanity.

You, JTT, are behaving like a "Winston." Obama is behaving like an "O'Brien!"

George Orwell in NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR, Part III, Chapter III, wrote:

http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79n/
[O'Brien said,] 'The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you [Winston] begin to understand me?'
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 04:23 pm
@Foxfyre,
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... I would bet you a good Texas steakhouse ribeye dinner that she would win over Krauthammer within six months.


Now there's a test. Ones at least as nutty as Palin have won over that idiot before.


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... to give her no chance at all to govern or get her message out .


Ummm, if you'll recall, "careful picker of info to suit her purposes", it was the Repugs that put the muzzle on her. Everyone else was more than happy to have Sarah speak out and up.
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