AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I would also add that those who post links from Fox News, the Washington Times and WorldNutDaily are on pretty thin ice when it comes to criticizing others for posting from partisan websites and sources.

Cycloptichorn

I believe that the same thing could be truthfully said about those who use NBC, CNBC, CNN or ABC; or the esteemed New York Times for their sources.

The deceitful harrangues of Sean Hannity are different from those of Rachel Madow, Bill Maher, Keith Oberman and others of that ilk, only in style and technique. None of it remotely resembles objective reporting of news or events -- it is all propoganda motivated by fixed points of view and political objectives..

At least Hannity admits his bias, which is a correct bias in my opinion. 50 years ago, it would not have been considered much of a bias at all, it was what most Americans thought. Thats how far the country has slid.

georgeob, You use the same jargon of the conservatives that isn't even true; what makes you think it's going to be a single-payer system? From my readings of the plan so far, it will be a combination of private and public systems. Your conclusions about how the US plan will immulate the Canadian and British systems in paying doctors has not been established.

How does one "qualify" the statistics produced by the medical profession? As with most professions, it takes years to achieve the highest levels of income based on merit and skill. There are lawyers who's pay is below any average - as with any profession; no different with doctors.

Finally, your "price controls" is your conservative meme to instill fear and nothing else. The plan is to increase efficiencies into the system that will save the overall cost of health care, and not by "price controls."

Good try, but no cupie doll for you!

I think you would be hard-pressed to show that any of those sources is as Liberal as Fox News is Conservative.

Maddow for one is light-years more intelligent than Hannity and once again you'd be hard-pressed to show evidence to back up your false equivalence. Maher is not a member of the news organizations you listed either, but an entertainer more akin to Limbaugh - though with a smaller audience.
Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I think you would be hard-pressed to show that any of those sources is as Liberal as Fox News is Conservative.

Now how the hell did you come up with that? How would one test the truth of such an assertion?

I take it you acknowledge that Maher is more or less equivalent to Limbaugh. That's a good start.

By examining the fact that all the sources you listed have Conservative commentary and presence, whereas Fox News effectively has no liberal presence whatsoever. Which is exactly what I did in my last post, and you didn't care to refute.

Cycloptichorn

Well Foxfyre. I certainly wouldn't take your word that ABC is the only media allowed to report from the WH under Obama or have exclusive interviews.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

By examining the fact that all the sources you listed have Conservative commentary and presence, whereas Fox News effectively has no liberal presence whatsoever. Which is exactly what I did in my last post, and you didn't care to refute.

Cycloptichorn

What is a "liberal presence" ? Does the term refer to an identifiable person who exhibits a liberal bias; or to an accurate reflection of liberal points of view in routine reporting ?

I'm not aware of any "conservative presence" in NBC, CNBC, CNN or ABC. Are you?

"A media person would have never done this study," said Groseclose, a UCLA political science professor, whose research and teaching focuses on the U.S. Congress. "It takes a Congress scholar even to think of using ADA scores as a measure. And I don't think many media scholars would have considered comparing news stories to congressional speeches."

Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.

Only Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume" and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter.

The most centrist outlet proved to be the "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer." CNN's "NewsNight With Aaron Brown" and ABC's "Good Morning America" were a close second and third.

"Our estimates for these outlets, we feel, give particular credibility to our efforts, as three of the four moderators for the 2004 presidential and vice-presidential debates came from these three news outlets " Jim Lehrer, Charlie Gibson and Gwen Ifill," Groseclose said. "If these newscasters weren't centrist, staffers for one of the campaign teams would have objected and insisted on other moderators."

The fourth most centrist outlet was "Special Report With Brit Hume" on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC's "World News Tonight" and NBC's "Nightly News" to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.

"If viewers spent an equal amount of time watching Fox's 'Special Report' as ABC's 'World News' and NBC's 'Nightly News,' then they would receive a nearly perfectly balanced version of the news," said Milyo, an associate professor of economics and public affairs at the University of Missouri at Columbia.

Had any other news organizations asked for such access and been denied it, that would be pertinent. That did not happen, however.

At least Hannity admits his bias, which is a correct bias in my opinion. 50 years ago, it would not have been considered much of a bias at all, it was what most Americans thought. Thats how far the country has slid.

No, you stated that ABC was doing a "documentary" which they are NOT doing. It seems you are the one with a reading problem Fox. I pointed out your use of "documentary" is a strawman.

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Had any other news organizations asked for such access and been denied it, that would be pertinent. That did not happen, however.

What access were you referring to Fox? I think you meant an interview since there is no evidence of ABC being allowed to shoot a "documentary".

ABC will be PROMOTING the President's healthcare initiative and DISALLOWING any opposing point of view and THAT is the problem here.

I think that George OB1 exaggerates the problem in countries which have a single payer plan. Ihave heard that all of them do quite well when it comes to catasthropic illnesses--which all of us fear. If they don't do very well about minor illnesses that is a small price to pay.