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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 10:28 am
@Foxfyre,
Must admit that some of the cartoons you post are pretty funny! No problem for me; keep posting them.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 10:33 am
@McGentrix,
McG, How difficult was it for the writer to think up all those non-sequiturs? Shall we give a little effort to see what Bush did during his eight years in office? We won't even have to use any imagination to know how much damage he really did to the US and the world.

Let's do a comparison between Obama's six months and Bush's eight years. Bush from real evidence vs Obama's imagined failures.

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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 10:34 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Sampling from the week's political cartoons:

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EXCELLENT!
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 11:03 am
We are also seeing more MAC views of the economy and what the basic role of government should be reflected in the continuous polling at Rasmussen. The majority remain generally hopeful and supportive of President Obama, but his approval ratings are not rising while his negatives continue to creep up. I think if the recession continues or gets worse, that is a trend we can probably expect.

Most importantly, however, the current socioeconomic conditions coupled with political/international concerns do seem to be making more people back up and really think about what their position is on various issues. And I think the polls reflect that more and more are taking more of a MAC view of more of these. (Note on the 'generic ballot', this reflects who the person would most likely vote for if the election was held today and does not necessarily reflect the party the person identifies with.)

Quote:
Democratic and Republican candidates are tied for the second straight week in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 39% would vote for their district’s Democratic congressional candidate while 39% would choose the Republican.

Support for both parties dropped one point from last week. Support for Democratic candidates is just one point above its low point for the past year. Support for the GOP is just two points below its highest level found over the same time period.

Men favor the GOP by a five-point margin, while women prefer Democrats by the same margin.

Voters not affiliated with either party favor the GOP 33% to 23%.

Democratic support has ranged from a low of 38% to a high of 50% in the past 12 months. In that same time period, Republicans have been preferred by 34% to 41% of voters nationwide.

Since the first week of the year, Democratic support has ranged from 38% to 42%, while the Republican range has been from 35% to 41%.

Democrats held a six- or seven-point lead over the GOP for the first several weeks of 2009. That began to slip in early February, and the Republicans actually took a two-point lead for a single week in the middle of March. Since mid-April, the parties have been roughly even.

Recent polling shows that 51% of Americans favor an across-the-board tax cut for all Americans to stimulate the U.S. economy. Meanwhile, most voters (53%) believe increases in government spending hurt the economy.

When it comes to health care, 80% of U.S. voters oppose providing government health care coverage for illegal immigrants as part of the health care reform package that is working its way through Congress. A more recent survey shows that 41% of American adults believe it would be a good idea to set up a government health insurance company to compete with private health insurance companies, but an identical percentage does not think it’s a good idea.

On a different topic, North Korea now tops the list of nations voters believe to be the biggest threats to U.S. national security.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_ballot/generic_congressional_ballot


Other polls featured on Rasmussen today:

80% Want Government To Sell Stake In GM, Chrysler Right Now

Voters Now Trust Republicans More than Democrats on Economic Issues

38% Say U.S. Heading in Right Direction

64% Say Comedians Shouldn't Joke about Children of Public Figures

Little Change in Perceptions of Sotomayor

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I didn't hunt up their poll, but earlier, Rasmussen also agreed
with USA Today re closing GITMO:

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Poll: Most oppose closing Gitmo
By Susan Page, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON " Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to closing the detention center for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay and moving some of the detainees to prisons on U.S. soil, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds.
By more than 2-1, those surveyed say Guantanamo shouldn't be closed. By more than 3-1, they oppose moving some of the accused terrorists housed there to prisons in their own states.

The findings underscore the difficult task President Obama faces in convincing those at home that he should follow through on his campaign promise to close the prison in Cuba, especially in the absence of a plan of where the prisoners would go.

In many parts of the world, however, Gitmo has become a symbol of U.S. arrogance and abuse, and Obama has cited its closure as a way to lay the foundation for better relations. He is scheduled to deliver a major address aimed at the Muslim world on Thursday from Cairo.

It is one of the few subjects on which most Americans side with the views of the Bush administration over its successor.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-06-01-gitmo_N.htm
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 11:06 am
Obama continues to violate the Constitution, "the supreme law of the land." With each such violation he is contributing to the degeneration of the American rule of law.

Obama must be stopped as soon as practical.

Organizing an effort to impeach Obama is a necessary first step.

Creating an organized albeit small group of Republicans and Democrats to campaign for Obama's impeacment is essentuial.

Failure to impeach Obama will lead people opposed to Obama to likewise abandon the rule of law and unlawfully remove Obama from office.

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 11:08 am
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Obama continues to violate the Constitution, "the supreme law of the land." With each such violation he is contributing to the degeneration of the American rule of law.

Obama must be stopped as soon as practical.

Organizing an effort to impeach Obama is a necessary first step.


So, what have you actually done to organize this effort? Anything? I ask, because you sure go on about it enough.

Quote:
Creating an organized albeit small group of Republicans and Democrats to campaign for Obama's impeacment is essentuial.

Failure to impeach Obama will lead people opposed to Obama to likewise abandon the rule of law and unlawfully remove Obama from office.[/size]


Oh, I encourage you to attempt that, Ican. I really do.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 11:08 am
@ican711nm,
I still love you, Ican, but I still disagree this is the way to go in dealing with the excesses of our President. I think we need to focus on getting conservative Republicans back into the majority in 2010 and they will reign in those excesses. Given his considerable talents and skills here and there, they might even provide enough checks and balances to turn him into a pretty good President. The current Congress seems unlikely to do so.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 11:36 am
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
conservative Republicans back into the majority in 2010 and they will reign in those excesses.


Yup, no one knows how to reign in excesses like those Republicans.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 12:07 pm
@JTT,
Conservative imagination knows no bounds; they really believe they'll have a majority in 2010. They don't even have any leadership today, and they're talking about taking over. ROFL
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 12:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That's delusion, CI, not imagination.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 12:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I actually applaud Foxfyre for her opinion. Regaining a Republican majority in 2010 is at least a reasonable goal. It also seems to be the goal pragmatic Republicans are focusing on.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 12:14 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

I actually applaud Foxfyre for her opinion. Regaining a Republican majority in 2010 is at least a reasonable goal. It also seems to be the goal pragmatic Republicans are focusing on.


Whew - It would be a titanic accomplishment, as the Dems hold huge advantages in the House and Senate, and in the Senate, it will be difficult for the Republicans not to lose more seats - they are defending more.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 01:16 pm
@wandeljw,
wandel, I do not think it's a reasonable goal at all! Conservative/republican leadership doesn't exist except for Cheney, Boehnor, Gingrich, Palin, Limbaugh and Hannity. Even though Cheney's popularity is "growing," it's still under 30%. The head spokesman for the conservatives seems to be Limbaugh, an extremist who's views are not popular with the "mainstream" conservatives.

Polls have also shown a downward trend for conservatives; I doubt that will improve by next year.

The No Party hasn't a prayer any time soon.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 01:34 pm
Cyclo and C.I.,
What I mean is that all political parties need to focus on a strategy. A strategy to regain a majority in Congress is more reasonable than a strategy to impeach the President.

(Foxfyre made her remarks in reference to Ican's idea.)
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 01:50 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:


A strategy to regain a majority in Congress is more reasonable than a strategy to impeach the President.




That's a good start, but you must also have a clear plan of action once you gain the majority.

Just look at the democrats, they have controlled Congress for about two and a half
years now and all they have done is increase the deficit by a mind boggling amount.

.... If the republicans want to make a huge change for the better, they should
champion The FairTax and make it happen as soon as they regain the majority.
okie
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 01:59 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

I still love you, Ican, but I still disagree this is the way to go in dealing with the excesses of our President. I think we need to focus on getting conservative Republicans back into the majority in 2010 and they will reign in those excesses. Given his considerable talents and skills here and there, they might even provide enough checks and balances to turn him into a pretty good President. The current Congress seems unlikely to do so.

At this point, there is no realistic hope of impeaching Obama, although I think he deserves it, so I agree with you. As to turning Obama into a pretty good president, I disagree, he is a "no hoper." The best way to do it is regain control of Congress, so that his policies can be thwarted as completely as possible, then hope to vote him out in 2012. But every opportunity should be taken to expose the corruption that is there, to hopefully gain traction, which I also give little chance because of the main media shielding and protecting him. If they had not done this so far, the corrupt Chicago politician that he is - would never have been elected.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 02:01 pm
@okie,
I guess I am unclear why you think Americans will vote for a party whose supporters state they want to impeach the President. I don't think you will get too many new people voting for your party that way. 30% support won't get you any new members of congress.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 02:04 pm
@Foxfyre,
I still love you, Foxfyre, but I still disagree that focusing on getting Republicans back in the majority in 2010 will be sufficient rather than merely necessary for ending the excesses of President Obaama. I think it also necessary to begin the process NOW of persuading AND winning sufficient votes in the House to impeach President Obama.

Also, I think checks and balances by the Congress on Obama will not be sufficient for turning him "into a pretty good President." Obama is a sweet talking demagogue who is very talented at finding ways to subvert America's rule of law, even while claiming not to. Obama clearly wants, and is working hard to get, the federal government to run all American commerce.
okie
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 02:05 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

I guess I am unclear why you think Americans will vote for a party whose supporters state they want to impeach the President. I don't think you will get too many new people voting for your party that way. 30% support won't get you any new members of congress.

You misunderstand conservatives. As a conservative and as a person, I am more about standing up for whats right than winning. I have an enduring faith that what is right will ultimately triumph, whether it triumphs in politics in the here and now, I can't tell you, but that should not stop people from standing up for sound and right principles. If we are not willing to risk failure in the interests of making a stand for right, then we are no better than liberals. I am not claiming to be always right or free of error, but if I knowingly cave when I know its wrong, that is the worst.

So, yes, I think Obama deserves impeachment, but I also believe he should never have been elected, but I am not going to spend alot of time on it at this point, unless something bigger moves the electorate in that direction, something that would hold up as clear grounds for impeachment. I think there is, but not enough other people think so to date. Only an extremely small number, probably less than 5%.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 02:06 pm
@wandeljw,
That's true; my politics is a combination of conservatism and liberalism leaning more towards conservatism. However, the republicans have not been following their conservative agenda, and there's nobody as the leader who articulates the party meme. Instead, they have become the No Party with nothing of substance to offer voters.

It's going to take a long time for the conservatives to gain back the losses they are now experiencing - and those who are vocal just doesn't understand that they're not doing their party any favors.

a. They want the Obama administration to take sides in Iran; wrong.
b. They try to degenerate Sotomayor who is better qualified than most (she's achieved the American dream) for the supreme court while crying foul on the timeline between her nomination and hearings; wrong.
c. They continue to complain about Obama's federal deficit, but didn't complain when Bush spent billions/trillions; wrong. (bunch of hypocrites)
d. They complain about every initiative brought forward by Obama, but hasn't provided one solution to the many problems we face today; wrong.
e. No wonder they've become known as the "No Party."
f. If they want my vote, it's "no."
 

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